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Post by pavsec5row10 on Jan 10, 2022 11:37:28 GMT -5
Anyone else extremely disappointed? This seems like a knee-jerk reaction to Fisher (finally) turning it down IMO. Not at ALL a knock on Katie, just feel like Penn State could've landed a big name... but got turned down at least twice. Seems like exactly the kind of hire for when a "national search" doesn't get any interested top candidates, or you don't offer those top candidates a competitive salary to come there.
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Post by dizzydean on Jan 10, 2022 11:43:19 GMT -5
So first impression - who? You have two assistants, one with a few national championship rings as a coach and power 5 coaching experience (Dennis) and one with neither and that's who you pick? Ok, so she spent 14 years at UIC. After 6 years as an assistant, she spent 8 years as head coach and she had a winning record in the Horizon League exactly 1 time. The Big 10 is a wee bit tougher than the Horizon League. What's more? 4 years after she left, they are in the tournament. I am not at all educated on the state of the UIC volleyball program, but that would not seem to lend her a lot of credibility. I'd guess that Ohio State, Maryland and Pitt have to love this pick. For the positive, Penn State is the #1 program for kids from Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and New England and will be until it isn't. By pulling a coach with deep Chicago roots you'd hope that this expands their recruiting base. And with four years next to Russ you would assume she has learned a few things, and if she keeps Dennis next to her, they should be able to WWRD (what would Russ do?) their way to 20 wins long enough to figure out what she doesn't know yet. Mary Wise, Bill Belichick and many other coaches didn't make their first head coaching job work so lets wait to decide if she is ready or not. And for all of the faults that have been discussed with Penn State, it is one of the 13 programs to have won a national championship, it is still a top end team in the #1 conference which just had 2 teams in the national championship match. With the possible exception of Lisa Love at USC, and Denise Corlett's 1 year at Stanford, you could argue that this is the best program ever handed to female coach. For the future of female coaches across the sport, let's all wish her luck! 1. You failed to mention the result of the other assistant's Power 5 head coaching stint. 2. Penn State is not anywhere near what it used to be.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 10, 2022 11:53:58 GMT -5
Wishing her a success, but hard not to see this as a transitional decision. No one will be able to fill Russ's shoes. It's the next hire that will be critical. Wish her success too, but I'd say this is plenty critical. PSU is an elite college VB brand with a championship legacy. If this is just transitional and she doesn't succeed, the brand is diminished and the championship legacy is further in the rear view mirror. Why would it be more attractive to "big names" four or five years from now if Schumacher doesn't get PSU back to being in the hunt for titles? I guess maybe it's more attractive to not immediately follow Rose, but I still just don't think PSU will be better off with a transitional coach. There's no volleyball life force that guarantees PSU stays an elite brand; a relevant blue blood that will have the "big names" lining up. Maybe the point will be moot and she'll do great. Because if it doesn't work out, Penn State could address the issues that deterred the big names this time around (e.g. ponying up the necessary salary and resources). Plus, they wouldn't be immediately succeeding Rose, as you say. But let's see how she does first. She could succeed.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 10, 2022 11:57:43 GMT -5
I know this isn't the big name that Penn State fans wanted, but at least they didn't hire Steve Aird.
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Post by odinaka on Jan 10, 2022 11:59:47 GMT -5
I'm glad a woman is being given the opportunity to prove herself Even if you think she was plan B or Z, the fact she was any plan is progress. We need more qualified women in the women's game
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Post by volleyeyes on Jan 10, 2022 12:01:39 GMT -5
I know this isn't the big name that Penn State fans wanted, but at least they didn't hire Steve Aird. Congrats to Katie. And Steve would of been great for the job IMO, give him the psu tradition with his vision and it could of been fireworks, Maryland and IU have very little tradition compared to psu, Steve gets too much hate on here.
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Post by dizzydean on Jan 10, 2022 12:07:35 GMT -5
I know this isn't the big name that Penn State fans wanted, but at least they didn't hire Steve Aird. Congrats to Katie. And Steve would of been great for the job IMO, give him the psu tradition with his vision and it could of been fireworks, Maryland and IU have very little tradition compared to psu, Steve gets too much hate on here. ...so Aird needs an established tradition to be successful... And the "hate" is probably because of the relentless self-generated hype machine that follows him everywhere he goes.
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Post by volleyeyes on Jan 10, 2022 12:09:09 GMT -5
Congrats to Katie. And Steve would of been great for the job IMO, give him the psu tradition with his vision and it could of been fireworks, Maryland and IU have very little tradition compared to psu, Steve gets too much hate on here. ...so Aird needs an established tradition to be successful... And the "hate" is probably because of the relentless self-generated hype machine that follows him everywhere he goes. No he doesn’t NEED anything he is a head coach regardless, I am saying his style while backed by psu’s tradition would of been a great combo, not one psu fans should be glad didn’t happen.
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Post by jagdpanther on Jan 10, 2022 12:20:12 GMT -5
I know this isn't the big name that Penn State fans wanted, but at least they didn't hire Steve Aird. Very true.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 12:20:51 GMT -5
Ok but more importantly: who dat? its not even 10 am smh (google says its stephen thompson) Absolutely dead! 😂
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Post by jagdpanther on Jan 10, 2022 12:21:51 GMT -5
Because if it doesn't work out, Penn State could address the issues that deterred the big names this time around (e.g. ponying up the necessary salary and resources). Plus, they wouldn't be immediately succeeding Rose, as you say. But let's see how she does first. She could succeed. This gives PSU an excuse to defer such improvements even longer. And Schumacher-Cawley won't have much leverage to demand those things. I'm sure lack of interest from big names is based in no small part of both the sorry state of non-rev sports at Penn State and the lack of a path forward to improve things.
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Post by eazy on Jan 10, 2022 12:24:45 GMT -5
...so Aird needs an established tradition to be successful... And the "hate" is probably because of the relentless self-generated hype machine that follows him everywhere he goes. No he doesn’t NEED anything he is a head coach regardless, I am saying his style while backed by psu’s tradition would of been a great combo, not one psu fans should be glad didn’t happen. He clearly needs something different because he hasn’t been very successful. I can’t imagine a fan of any school that would be happy with him being hired.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 10, 2022 12:25:33 GMT -5
Because if it doesn't work out, Penn State could address the issues that deterred the big names this time around (e.g. ponying up the necessary salary and resources). Plus, they wouldn't be immediately succeeding Rose, as you say. But let's see how she does first. She could succeed. This gives PSU an excuse to defer such improvements even longer. And Schumacher-Cawley won't have much leverage to demand those things. I'm sure lack of interest from big names is based in no small part of both the sorry state of non-rev sports at Penn State and the lack of a path forward to improve things. Sure, but if it doesn't work out, they may be forced to look in the mirror and get serious. I think this has happened at a number of programs in many sports that had a great history but realized their name alone isn't good enough. Now, maybe you need a new AD for that to happen, but still.
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Post by jagdpanther on Jan 10, 2022 12:31:49 GMT -5
Sure, but if it doesn't work out, they may be forced to look in the mirror get serious. I think this has happened at a number of programs in many sports that had a great history but realized their name alone isn't good enough. Now, maybe you need a new AD for that to happen, but still. We need a new AD regardless. Penn State has a very big "our name alone sells us" problem in general, not just for athletics. We have been declining in a number of respects academically and athletically for years. The hope is that the new president, who is saying all the right things to start, is able to overcome the incredible inertia of Penn State, and get us headed in the right direction. Athletically, that hopefully has an early step of getting a new AD in well before Barbour's contract is up.
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Post by bobsacamano on Jan 10, 2022 12:43:03 GMT -5
So first impression - who? You have two assistants, one with a few national championship rings as a coach and power 5 coaching experience (Dennis) and one with neither and that's who you pick? Ok, so she spent 14 years at UIC. After 6 years as an assistant, she spent 8 years as head coach and she had a winning record in the Horizon League exactly 1 time. The Big 10 is a wee bit tougher than the Horizon League. What's more? 4 years after she left, they are in the tournament. I am not at all educated on the state of the UIC volleyball program, but that would not seem to lend her a lot of credibility. I'd guess that Ohio State, Maryland and Pitt have to love this pick. For the positive, Penn State is the #1 program for kids from Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and New England and will be until it isn't. By pulling a coach with deep Chicago roots you'd hope that this expands their recruiting base. And with four years next to Russ you would assume she has learned a few things, and if she keeps Dennis next to her, they should be able to WWRD (what would Russ do?) their way to 20 wins long enough to figure out what she doesn't know yet. Mary Wise, Bill Belichick and many other coaches didn't make their first head coaching job work so lets wait to decide if she is ready or not. And for all of the faults that have been discussed with Penn State, it is one of the 13 programs to have won a national championship, it is still a top end team in the #1 conference which just had 2 teams in the national championship match. With the possible exception of Lisa Love at USC, and Denise Corlett's 1 year at Stanford, you could argue that this is the best program ever handed to female coach. For the future of female coaches across the sport, let's all wish her luck! Dennis was a disaster at UVa.
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