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Post by Wiswell on Jan 10, 2022 12:47:14 GMT -5
So first impression - who? You have two assistants, one with a few national championship rings as a coach and power 5 coaching experience (Dennis) and one with neither and that's who you pick? Ok, so she spent 14 years at UIC. After 6 years as an assistant, she spent 8 years as head coach and she had a winning record in the Horizon League exactly 1 time. The Big 10 is a wee bit tougher than the Horizon League. What's more? 4 years after she left, they are in the tournament. I am not at all educated on the state of the UIC volleyball program, but that would not seem to lend her a lot of credibility. I'd guess that Ohio State, Maryland and Pitt have to love this pick. For the positive, Penn State is the #1 program for kids from Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and New England and will be until it isn't. By pulling a coach with deep Chicago roots you'd hope that this expands their recruiting base. And with four years next to Russ you would assume she has learned a few things, and if she keeps Dennis next to her, they should be able to WWRD (what would Russ do?) their way to 20 wins long enough to figure out what she doesn't know yet. Mary Wise, Bill Belichick and many other coaches didn't make their first head coaching job work so lets wait to decide if she is ready or not. And for all of the faults that have been discussed with Penn State, it is one of the 13 programs to have won a national championship, it is still a top end team in the #1 conference which just had 2 teams in the national championship match. With the possible exception of Lisa Love at USC, and Denise Corlett's 1 year at Stanford, you could argue that this is the best program ever handed to female coach. For the future of female coaches across the sport, let's all wish her luck! I'm not going to look up all the people who were picking out great former players who currently assistant coach and saying they should be picked. Because that was a common theme. Who's to say if they had been a head coach somewhere else they would not had a similar record than Katie? So we just don't know. So I think it's a little unfair to pass judgment, because earlier some were picking the equivalent of the backup quarterback, with no head coaching experience. Perhaps her years with RR have honed her craft?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 12:49:07 GMT -5
Anyone else extremely disappointed? This seems like a knee-jerk reaction to Fisher (finally) turning it down IMO. Not at ALL a knock on Katie, just feel like Penn State could've landed a big name... but got turned down at least twice. If you're referring to Salima as the second, I don't believe she was ever among Penn State's top two choices. Others may disagree, but I believe that to be true.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 10, 2022 12:51:43 GMT -5
Anyone else extremely disappointed? This seems like a knee-jerk reaction to Fisher (finally) turning it down IMO. Not at ALL a knock on Katie, just feel like Penn State could've landed a big name... but got turned down at least twice. If you're referring to Salima as the second, I don't believe she was ever among Penn State's top two choices. Others may disagree, but I believe that to be true. I tend to agree that Salima wasn't a real consideration, but I'm curious as to why you think that is. I don't have any inside information, but I kind of get the impression that Penn State didn't even realize that she was available and never seriously pursued her in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 12:59:25 GMT -5
If you're referring to Salima as the second, I don't believe she was ever among Penn State's top two choices. Others may disagree, but I believe that to be true. I tend to agree that Salima wasn't a real consideration, but I'm curious as to why you think that is. I don't have any inside information, but I kind of get the impression that Penn State didn't even realize that she was available and never seriously pursued her in the first place. It's my impression based on educated guesses. I could be wrong. But I don't think I am. And it's not a knock on Salima or anyone.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Jan 10, 2022 12:59:29 GMT -5
For months many have mentoned potenital candidates. Most were shot down because many said that they would prefer that the new coach for PSU would have a solid tenure under Rose before becoming HC. Katie fits that bill. She has the potential to be amazing. Congrats to her!
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 10, 2022 13:02:46 GMT -5
I tend to agree that Salima wasn't a real consideration, but I'm curious as to why you think that is. I don't have any inside information, but I kind of get the impression that Penn State didn't even realize that she was available and never seriously pursued her in the first place. It's my impression based on educated guesses. I could be wrong. But I don't think I am. And it's not a knock on Salima or anyone. I'm not disputing what you say. My question is why do you think Penn State wasn't seriously considering Salima.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 10, 2022 13:05:07 GMT -5
Like I said: In my mind, the two most obvious parallels are Hawaii when Shoji retired and UCLA when Banachowski retired. Hawaii hired a former Hawaii player and Olympian who had no previous head coaching experience (but had been an assistant under Shoji). UCLA hired a former UCLA player who had no previous head coaching experience and had also been an assistant under Shoji. So -- are there any former PSU players who were assistants under Shoji? Because that sure seems to be the pattern here.... It's actually not really surprising they picked a former player instead of a well-known head coach. Other programs have done the same thing in similar situations. Unlike at UCLA or Hawaii, PSU actually picked a former player with some head coaching experience. I think these sorts of programs with such a long history under one coach are looking for some kind of continuity with the old regime, so that's why they go to people who were familiar with the program. (I mean, obviously Sealy played for the UCLA men's team and not the women's team, but I'm sure there was still some connection there.)
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Post by Anonymousnow on Jan 10, 2022 13:05:31 GMT -5
So first impression - who? You have two assistants, one with a few national championship rings as a coach and power 5 coaching experience (Dennis) and one with neither and that's who you pick? Ok, so she spent 14 years at UIC. After 6 years as an assistant, she spent 8 years as head coach and she had a winning record in the Horizon League exactly 1 time. The Big 10 is a wee bit tougher than the Horizon League. What's more? 4 years after she left, they are in the tournament. I am not at all educated on the state of the UIC volleyball program, but that would not seem to lend her a lot of credibility. I'd guess that Ohio State, Maryland and Pitt have to love this pick. For the positive, Penn State is the #1 program for kids from Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and New England and will be until it isn't. By pulling a coach with deep Chicago roots you'd hope that this expands their recruiting base. And with four years next to Russ you would assume she has learned a few things, and if she keeps Dennis next to her, they should be able to WWRD (what would Russ do?) their way to 20 wins long enough to figure out what she doesn't know yet. Mary Wise, Bill Belichick and many other coaches didn't make their first head coaching job work so lets wait to decide if she is ready or not. And for all of the faults that have been discussed with Penn State, it is one of the 13 programs to have won a national championship, it is still a top end team in the #1 conference which just had 2 teams in the national championship match. With the possible exception of Lisa Love at USC, and Denise Corlett's 1 year at Stanford, you could argue that this is the best program ever handed to female coach. For the future of female coaches across the sport, let's all wish her luck! Dennis was a disaster at UVa. Who hasn’t been?
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Post by macfan on Jan 10, 2022 13:06:38 GMT -5
What we all have to understand is that Russ put Penn State on the map, obviously with the help of joining the Big Ten. They are not in a strong region for recruiting. There’s a small handful of individuals from Pennsylvania, and the Northeast in general, who have significantly contributed a to their success over time (Salima, Harmatto, Kaleena, D’errico, even Brown. Yes there are a few others but not many). If the school was located anywhere west of Pennsylvania in Big Ten country, it would be a whole other situation and I think you’d see many more coaches interested. But, they just had their worst year, maybe since joining the Big Ten. First year to not be a top 16 seed, a legendary coach retires and they are located in the worst part of the country for recruiting volleyball. This created nothing but an uphill battle. The only way that program could have sustained is if Russ retired a few years ago when Salima was willing to take over.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 10, 2022 13:13:14 GMT -5
It's my impression based on educated guesses. I could be wrong. But I don't think I am. And it's not a knock on Salima or anyone. I'm not disputing what you say. My question is why do you think Penn State wasn't seriously considering Salima. I thought he made that clear in his post. He's saying they didn't think she would leave her broadcasting job, so they didn't really go after her.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 10, 2022 13:15:58 GMT -5
I'm not disputing what you say. My question is why do you think Penn State wasn't seriously considering Salima. I thought he made that clear in his post. He's saying they didn't think she would leave her broadcasting job, so they didn't really go after her. Where did he say anything about broadcasting? That's basically my theory (not about broadcasting per se, but rather that she was comfortable in retirement, so they didn't do much more than make a cursory phone call to gauge her interest, if that), but I didn't see that in the post that I quoted.
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Post by knapplc on Jan 10, 2022 13:16:05 GMT -5
How many former RR assistants have gone on to head coaching positions? One would think a 43-year head coach would have an extensive coaching tree.
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Post by n00b on Jan 10, 2022 13:17:17 GMT -5
Anyone else extremely disappointed? This seems like a knee-jerk reaction to Fisher (finally) turning it down IMO. Not at ALL a knock on Katie, just feel like Penn State could've landed a big name... but got turned down at least twice. If you're referring to Salima as the second, I don't believe she was ever among Penn State's top two choices. Others may disagree, but I believe that to be true. You’re right. I disagree.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 10, 2022 13:20:00 GMT -5
I'm not disputing what you say. My question is why do you think Penn State wasn't seriously considering Salima. I thought he made that clear in his post. He's saying they didn't think she would leave her broadcasting job, so they didn't really go after her. That would have been a helluva an assumption not to mention a wrong one. I would say everyone should be fired if they failed to reach out to a great and arguably the best person because they didn’t think they be interested.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 10, 2022 13:25:09 GMT -5
I thought he made that clear in his post. He's saying they didn't think she would leave her broadcasting job, so they didn't really go after her. That would have been a helluva an assumption not to mention a wrong one. I would say everyone should be fired if they failed to reach out to a great and arguably the best person because they didn’t think they be interested. I'm guessing they probably reached out but she told them that she was happy in retirement, and they moved on without making a serious effort. But Notre Dame wasn't satisfied with that answer and did what it took to convince Salima to come out of retirement.
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