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Post by vbcoltrane on Jan 10, 2022 14:13:32 GMT -5
Schumacher's hiring can be "underwhelming" but not "wrong" at the same time. Time will tell. Just like an explosive hire won't always be "right." Maybe more importantly than on-court results to start with, I think recruiting classes will be a key factor to judge whether she's a good hire -- can she sell the PSU brand sans Rose and get consistently top classes.
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Post by future on Jan 10, 2022 14:14:35 GMT -5
Congrats to Coach Schumacher-Cawley.
Very highly respected coach by her players.....from what I am told.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 10, 2022 14:19:00 GMT -5
Schumacher's hiring can be "underwhelming" but not "wrong" at the same time. Time will tell. Just like an explosive higher won't always be "right." Maybe more importantly than on-court results to start with, I think recruiting classes will be a key factor to judge whether she's a good hire -- can she sell the PSU brand sans Rose and get consistently top classes. She better be a helluva recruiter, cupboards pretty bare in a brutal conference with legendary coaches with high player recognition a d great track records.
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Post by jagdpanther on Jan 10, 2022 14:35:54 GMT -5
She better be a helluva recruiter, cupboards pretty bare in a brutal conference with legendary coaches with high player recognition a d great track records. Over a period of time for which she has been the recruiting coordinator.
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Post by bkedane on Jan 10, 2022 14:43:47 GMT -5
I tend to agree that Salima wasn't a real consideration, but I'm curious as to why you think that is. I don't have any inside information, but I kind of get the impression that Penn State didn't even realize that she was available and never seriously pursued her in the first place. It's my impression based on educated guesses. I could be wrong. But I don't think I am. And it's not a knock on Salima or anyone. Definitely wrong.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Jan 10, 2022 14:55:52 GMT -5
She better be a helluva recruiter, cupboards pretty bare in a brutal conference with legendary coaches with high player recognition a d great track records. Over a period of time for which she has been the recruiting coordinator. True, but there's no "will he/ won't he retire" hanging over the program anymore, which other schools were DEFINITELY using against PSU in the recruiting race. Good news is that's no longer an issue, bad news is that he did retire, along with his 40+ years of excellence. So Schumacher has to build up trust with new recruits / transfers, prove next fall that they're still a formidable program.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 10, 2022 15:20:42 GMT -5
Wishing her a success, but hard not to see this as a transitional decision. No one will be able to fill Russ's shoes. It's the next hire that will be critical. Unless she hits it out of the ballpark. Then it is this one that is critical.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 10, 2022 15:24:28 GMT -5
I’d be very interested to see what the salary is.
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Post by jagdpanther on Jan 10, 2022 15:26:51 GMT -5
True, but there's no "will he/ won't he retire" hanging over the program anymore, which other schools were DEFINITELY using against PSU in the recruiting race. Good news is that's no longer an issue, bad news is that he did retire, along with his 40+ years of excellence. So Schumacher has to build up trust with new recruits / transfers, prove next fall that they're still a formidable program. Fair point, for sure. Now the recruiting will be, "You're not going to play for a legend, you're going to play for a 125-146 coach." She has a big uphill climb. I hope she proves me terribly wrong. I get it; I was spoiled by the most dominant run in women's college volleyball history. I know we're not getting back to *that*, but I damn sure want us to see get back to being a legitimate title competitor... and we haven't been for a few years. We're sliding back toward being a middling Big Ten program now, and I think the structural issues around Penn State give us a hell of a lot less leeway with coaching than it does for a variety of other programs.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 10, 2022 15:32:06 GMT -5
So first impression - who? You have two assistants, one with a few national championship rings as a coach and power 5 coaching experience (Dennis) and one with neither and that's who you pick? Ok, so she spent 14 years at UIC. After 6 years as an assistant, she spent 8 years as head coach and she had a winning record in the Horizon League exactly 1 time. The Big 10 is a wee bit tougher than the Horizon League. What's more? 4 years after she left, they are in the tournament. I am not at all educated on the state of the UIC volleyball program, but that would not seem to lend her a lot of credibility. I'd guess that Ohio State, Maryland and Pitt have to love this pick. For the positive, Penn State is the #1 program for kids from Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and New England and will be until it isn't. By pulling a coach with deep Chicago roots you'd hope that this expands their recruiting base. And with four years next to Russ you would assume she has learned a few things, and if she keeps Dennis next to her, they should be able to WWRD (what would Russ do?) their way to 20 wins long enough to figure out what she doesn't know yet. Mary Wise, Bill Belichick and many other coaches didn't make their first head coaching job work so lets wait to decide if she is ready or not. And for all of the faults that have been discussed with Penn State, it is one of the 13 programs to have won a national championship, it is still a top end team in the #1 conference which just had 2 teams in the national championship match. With the possible exception of Lisa Love at USC, and Denise Corlett's 1 year at Stanford, you could argue that this is the best program ever handed to female coach. For the future of female coaches across the sport, let's all wish her luck! Your premise starts with assuming that Katie doesn't have any skills whatsoever and that she was just coasting along at UIC. First she is a southside gal, alum of Mother McAuley. I would take a southside gal in a street fight anytime. Second, do you remember watching her play? I do. She doesn't back down. I will theorize that she coaches with the same fire as when she played. Third, she was in charge of recruiting. She knows what she is doing. Fourth, you point at UIC as if it is an easy gig. You are ignoring the other side of the ledger, i.e. UIC is an urban campus, many of their students are commuters. The campus was, at one time, a concrete jungle. Also important is that they are funded like a Horizon league program, not a B1G program. Fifth, I have seen her teams when she was at UIC, they come through and play Wright State, another Horizon League team, every year. They improved progressively every year. The recruits got better and the level of play got better.
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Post by milkmandan on Jan 10, 2022 15:33:16 GMT -5
I’d be very interested to see what the salary is. I'm going to guess $350,000.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 10, 2022 15:52:52 GMT -5
I am pretty sure the Pacific fans made the same arguments when they hired John Dunning.
And Purdue fans when they hired Dave Shondell.
Get over it and wait to see what happens.
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Post by wonkaman on Jan 10, 2022 15:59:22 GMT -5
There was a Big Ten coach who was recently hired whose previous coaching experience was running a club and being an assistant at Illinois. She also played a little volleyball at the Big Ten school that hired her. She has done pretty well for herself in her first couple years.
It would not surprise me that Schumacher does well. May not have the same success her first couple years, but time will tell. I wish her well.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 10, 2022 16:11:50 GMT -5
I’d be very interested to see what the salary is. I'm going to guess $350,000. That would be on the high end of my guess, but very possible
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 10, 2022 16:13:37 GMT -5
There was a Big Ten coach who was recently hired whose previous coaching experience was running a club and being an assistant at Illinois. She also played a little volleyball at the Big Ten school that hired her. She has done pretty well for herself in her first couple years. It would not surprise me that Schumacher does well. May not have the same success her first couple years, but time will tell. I wish her well. They were walking into two wildly different situations in every way possible. I also wish her well, and who knows.
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