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Post by Winbabywin on Jan 16, 2022 20:46:59 GMT -5
In the last 10 years, I've been a coach at the high school and college levels; I am also currently an official (for the last 5 years) mostly club, with a little high school. The 2nd contact double has been getting more and more loose over the last 10 years or so, probably longer; no player from the ages 12-25 has EVER played with "tight" calls being the norm. So my question is, why on earth are club and college players screaming DOUBLE everytime the ball spins a micro-rotation? Their whole lifetime has had the loosest double calls in history. So why don't they just see it as normal?
It's because you stupid coaches won't accept it! You keep screaming it, so they keep screaming it. Trust me, I wish we could go back to the tight calls, but it ain't happenin. We're basically on track to eliminate the call all together. So please, I'm begging you...shut up and accept it! So the kids AND parents can too!
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Post by azvolleydad on Jan 16, 2022 20:54:45 GMT -5
I'm the last 10 years, I've been a coach at the high school and college levels; I am also currently an official (for the last 5 years) mostly club, with a little high school. The 2nd contact double has been getting more and more loose over the last 10 years or so, probably longer; no player from the ages 12-25 has EVER played with "tight" calls being the norm. So my question is, why on earth are club and college players screaming DOUBLE everytime the ball spins a micro-rotation? Their whole lifetime has had the loosest double calls in history. So why don't they just see it as normal? It's because you stupid coaches won't accept it! You keep screaming it, so they keep screaming it. Trust me, I wish we could go back to the tight calls, but it ain't happenin. We're basically on track to eliminate the call all together. So please, I'm begging you...shut up and accept it! So the kids AND parents can too! Hope you feel better now that it’s off your chest.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 16, 2022 21:01:25 GMT -5
That was awesome. However, request denied. It’s like asking a leopard to go vegan - just not going to happen.
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Doubles
Jan 16, 2022 23:07:18 GMT -5
Post by hipsterfilth on Jan 16, 2022 23:07:18 GMT -5
I'll pray for you!
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Doubles
Jan 17, 2022 5:06:00 GMT -5
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Post by sevb on Jan 17, 2022 5:06:00 GMT -5
In the last 10 years, I've been a coach at the high school and college levels; I am also currently an official (for the last 5 years) mostly club, with a little high school. The 2nd contact double has been getting more and more loose over the last 10 years or so, probably longer; no player from the ages 12-25 has EVER played with "tight" calls being the norm. So my question is, why on earth are club and college players screaming DOUBLE everytime the ball spins a micro-rotation? Their whole lifetime has had the loosest double calls in history. So why don't they just see it as normal? It's because you stupid coaches won't accept it! You keep screaming it, so they keep screaming it. Trust me, I wish we could go back to the tight calls, but it ain't happenin. We're basically on track to eliminate the call all together. So please, I'm begging you...shut up and accept it! So the kids AND parents can too! Because their club coach and parents all yell “double” on first contacts and “scoooore” on the final contact… they just want to feel like theyre contributing!
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Post by jammaster on Jan 18, 2022 1:05:04 GMT -5
As a dad of a setter, there is an esthetic that goes with the job. When a hack setter just uses their ham hands and sends that whacky, probably rotating ball it just hits you in the gut. Hard not to go ugghhh...that was fugly. Why we don't just handle it like a crappy pass in football and just figure a crappy pass is a crappy pass vs. a violation, I can't tell you. What I can say is ugly sets are painful.
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Doubles
Jan 18, 2022 1:12:34 GMT -5
Post by psuvbfan10 on Jan 18, 2022 1:12:34 GMT -5
As a dad of a setter, there is an esthetic that goes with the job. When a hack setter just uses their ham hands and sends that whacky, probably rotating ball it just hits you in the gut. Hard not to go ugghhh...that was fugly. Why we don't just handle it like a crappy pass in football and just figure a crappy pass is a crappy pass vs. a violation, I can't tell you. What I can say is ugly sets are painful. Dad setter - bad hands = bad location and tempo, don't worry! Good setters will always have 'good hands' whatever that means
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Post by jammaster on Jan 18, 2022 1:16:21 GMT -5
As a dad of a setter, there is an esthetic that goes with the job. When a hack setter just uses their ham hands and sends that whacky, probably rotating ball it just hits you in the gut. Hard not to go ugghhh...that was fugly. Why we don't just handle it like a crappy pass in football and just figure a crappy pass is a crappy pass vs. a violation, I can't tell you. What I can say is ugly sets are painful. Dad setter - bad hands = bad location and tempo, don't worry! Good setters will always have 'good hands' whatever that means That is the argument to get rid of doubles violation. If you do a crappy job setting, it's likely a crappy set. I personally think holding the ball when setting (like an over the top beach set) is what should be called more. Both are ugly and painful to watch.
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Jan 18, 2022 1:37:04 GMT -5
Either way that setter who holds the ball or delivers crappy sets will not ever be a sought after setter.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 18, 2022 1:53:01 GMT -5
Either way that setter who holds the ball or delivers crappy sets will not ever be a sought after setter. Unless she's 6-3 and athletic, in which case I bet a lot of coaches are going to say, "I can teach that kid to set, but I can't teach this other kid to be 6-3".
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Doubles
Jan 18, 2022 2:00:24 GMT -5
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 18, 2022 2:00:24 GMT -5
Dad setter - bad hands = bad location and tempo, don't worry! Good setters will always have 'good hands' whatever that means That is the argument to get rid of doubles violation. If you do a crappy job setting, it's likely a crappy set. I personally think holding the ball when setting (like an over the top beach set) is what should be called more. Both are ugly and painful to watch. I play with so many guys that do this, and it drives me absolutely crazy.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 18, 2022 2:01:29 GMT -5
Either way that setter who holds the ball or delivers crappy sets will not ever be a sought after setter. Unless she's 6-3 and athletic, in which case I bet a lot of coaches are going to say, "I can teach that kid to set, but I can't teach this other kid to be 6-3". Hannah Lockin living her best life
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Doubles
Jan 18, 2022 11:08:22 GMT -5
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Post by oneplayershort on Jan 18, 2022 11:08:22 GMT -5
Double! That’s two!
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Post by oneplayershort on Jan 18, 2022 11:24:33 GMT -5
The call comes from double contact, as in you cannot hit the ball twice imparting rotation (except when first contact hits your body then arms or vice versa for passers - passers have it so easy). The subjective nature comes into play when a setter runs 20 feet off the net (often to handset a poor pass), leaps into the air, rotates mid air and uses her hands to set 1st tempo to LF with a slight rotation. Refs were like, “Man, that was a really good (beautiful) play! I should not call a violation for that!” The cosine wave of opinion on calling tight and loose setter BHE recently trends toward loose, so people say get rid of the call. I may or may not have raised four setters and I still say it. It’s how you identify overrated setters on VT. Now, if you really wish to discuss volleyball justice, let’s talk about the illegal throws by pins or how all middles are called for doubles except pretty much Regan Pittman.
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Jan 18, 2022 14:31:53 GMT -5
Post by SportyBucky on Jan 18, 2022 14:31:53 GMT -5
As a dad of a setter, there is an esthetic that goes with the job. When a hack setter just uses their ham hands and sends that whacky, probably rotating ball it just hits you in the gut. Hard not to go ugghhh...that was fugly. Why we don't just handle it like a crappy pass in football and just figure a crappy pass is a crappy pass vs. a violation, I can't tell you. What I can say is ugly sets are painful. Dad setter - bad hands = bad location and tempo, don't worry! Good setters will always have 'good hands' whatever that means While we're at it, why don't we eliminate lifts? Why does someone have to throw the ball before making contact on the serve? Why can't liberos hit? Why can't every player on the floor hit from the front row? I will tell you as a setter, setting in a single contact does not mean there's no spin. What chafes my hide is when a setter doubles and delivers it to the right spot for a kill. Sorry, but happens all the time. There's a reason there's a minimum expectation for contacting the ball and it's to limit advantage. I guarantee my now old, slow feet can't get to a ball the way they used to. Likely more doubles. Speed, reading of the game and anticipation become an advantage. I get why we don't want the game to stop for doubles, but as someone who could get to balls and set them legally, it sure the heck would piss me off when others couldn't and the play resulted in a kill.
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