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Post by JT on Jan 31, 2022 12:10:11 GMT -5
Society ought to have the power to make community spaces safe. We restrict individuals in public in tons of ways. If an individual doesn’t want to conform to societal norms for safety (drunk, disorderly/violent, vaccinations for infectious diseases, …) then society ought not be under obligation to let them participate. Thanks for not answering my question and replacing with a straw man. 'conform to social norms'? Some polling shows ~ 60% of the people support vaccine mandates - this was from several months ago. I suspect this % is continuing to go down as we have gone through the Omicron experience. If 35% isn't getting the vaccine - assume that almost all of these people are opposed to vaccine mandates. And then there is a sizable percentage of people like me that supports vaccines but not mandates. Support for mandates isn't some social norm - it is a narrow majority with power that is imposing their medical belief on others. Thanks for carefully snipping out my response to your first sentence, in order to create an alleged strawman. 60% is a supermajority, not a “narrow margin.” And on that point I’ll exit this non-VB discussion. |
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Post by gobruins on Jan 31, 2022 12:58:19 GMT -5
Society ought to have the power to make community spaces safe. We restrict individuals in public in tons of ways. If an individual doesn’t want to conform to societal norms for safety (drunk, disorderly/violent, vaccinations for infectious diseases, …) then society ought not be under obligation to let them participate. Thanks for not answering my question and replacing with a straw man. 'conform to social norms'? Some polling shows ~ 60% of the people support vaccine mandates - this was from several months ago. I suspect this % is continuing to go down as we have gone through the Omicron experience. If 35% isn't getting the vaccine - assume that almost all of these people are opposed to vaccine mandates. And then there is a sizable percentage of people like me that supports vaccines but not mandates. Support for mandates isn't some social norm - it is a narrow majority with power that is imposing their medical belief on others. You keep referring to "mandates". But, the fact is there is not a single vaccine "mandate" anywhere in this country. There are, and should be, incentives to get vaccinated, and disincentives to remain unvaccinated. Your continuing to refer to these incentives and disincentives as "mandates" is just political spinning. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 31, 2022 13:09:52 GMT -5
Thanks for not answering my question and replacing with a straw man. 'conform to social norms'? Some polling shows ~ 60% of the people support vaccine mandates - this was from several months ago. I suspect this % is continuing to go down as we have gone through the Omicron experience. If 35% isn't getting the vaccine - assume that almost all of these people are opposed to vaccine mandates. And then there is a sizable percentage of people like me that supports vaccines but not mandates. Support for mandates isn't some social norm - it is a narrow majority with power that is imposing their medical belief on others. You keep referring to "mandates". But, the fact is there is not a single vaccine "mandate" anywhere in this country. There are, and should be, incentives to get vaccinated, and disincentives to remain unvaccinated. Your continuing to refer to these incentives and disincentives as "mandates" is just political spinning. Semantics.....a disincentive to remain unvaccinated by not allowing people into gyms, restaurants, entertainment venues is just another fancy way to force people into doing something they don't want to do if they want their normal life back. It is wrong, and if you think there should be disincentives to being vaccinated I think there should be disincentives to be overweight, obese, and generally unhealthy. Just because you are a fat slob that enjoys fast food multiple times a week and refuses to workout, does not mean you get a social pass because you got vaccinated and are first in line to go get a booster for something that is currently being treated the same as the common cold. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 31, 2022 13:53:57 GMT -5
Alright we’ll y’all have fun! You can leave the rest of us out of it now.
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 31, 2022 13:55:34 GMT -5
The team will be out of Frisco. We have 8 players now. One of the families that just signed on yesterday is a legacy Oil and Gas family that live north of here and they are going to fully sponsor the team (pay all the expenses for the team and pay for the coach). And if you think somebody not taking the covid vax is crazy then you haven't been around any of these North Texas rich people that have special paint and wall paper to keep 5G from penetrating the house. I just learned about that from them. I would hate to know what that cost. They have a four court a gym on their ranch that we can use for free. Their daughter is more like a 3rd or 4th level player that nobody really wants but guess what she's starting and no one cares. Saves us all 12 grand right off the top. They will pay the coaches much more than I was expecting. It's going to be a very lucrative deal for someone. My friend from Skyline is likely to going to take it and bring a couple of assistants from his high school. He's not keen on the anti-vaxx but money talks. If we win a tournament he gets a bonus. And they are giving him a company car to drive. Shaping up to be a good 2022-2023 season! I picked up on those phrases as well and instantly said "troll". I haven't been back to this thread since. Glad to know others picked up on the subtle troll cues. If the person is legit then I can only say 2022 is going strong with anti-covid, anti-vaxxers and anti-health "experts doing their own research". What a crock. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 31, 2022 14:36:42 GMT -5
The team will be out of Frisco. We have 8 players now. One of the families that just signed on yesterday is a legacy Oil and Gas family that live north of here and they are going to fully sponsor the team (pay all the expenses for the team and pay for the coach). And if you think somebody not taking the covid vax is crazy then you haven't been around any of these North Texas rich people that have special paint and wall paper to keep 5G from penetrating the house. I just learned about that from them. I would hate to know what that cost. They have a four court a gym on their ranch that we can use for free. Their daughter is more like a 3rd or 4th level player that nobody really wants but guess what she's starting and no one cares. Saves us all 12 grand right off the top. They will pay the coaches much more than I was expecting. It's going to be a very lucrative deal for someone. My friend from Skyline is likely to going to take it and bring a couple of assistants from his high school. He's not keen on the anti-vaxx but money talks. If we win a tournament he gets a bonus. And they are giving him a company car to drive. Shaping up to be a good 2022-2023 season! What a crock. A crock as in you don't believe this poster and think they are making it up for sake of conversation? Or a crock that they don't like current climate of their options so they found like minded individuals and actually did something about their situation rather than complain about it into a void? I commend them for going out and changing a situation they did not care for or were uncomfortable with, now if they are denying kids who are vaxxed to play with them that is a different story. But if they are welcoming of anyone to come play and enter into tourneys that fit the choices of those that started this team then more power to them. |
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 31, 2022 14:43:37 GMT -5
A crock as in you don't believe this poster and think they are making it up for sake of conversation? Or a crock that they don't like current climate of their options so they found like minded individuals and actually did something about their situation rather than complain about it into a void? I commend them for going out and changing a situation they did not care for or were uncomfortable with, now if they are denying kids who are vaxxed to play with them that is a different story. But if they are welcoming of anyone to come play and enter into tourneys that fit the choices of those that started this team then more power to them. A crock as in the story gets more unbelievable with each post. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 31, 2022 14:50:34 GMT -5
This is all 100% fake.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Jan 31, 2022 14:59:48 GMT -5
Club name / logo is my question
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 31, 2022 15:03:04 GMT -5
A crock as in you don't believe this poster and think they are making it up for sake of conversation? Or a crock that they don't like current climate of their options so they found like minded individuals and actually did something about their situation rather than complain about it into a void? I commend them for going out and changing a situation they did not care for or were uncomfortable with, now if they are denying kids who are vaxxed to play with them that is a different story. But if they are welcoming of anyone to come play and enter into tourneys that fit the choices of those that started this team then more power to them. A crock as in the story gets more unbelievable with each post. care to add some information that would dispute claims, otherwise all you have is a pretty nice pipe dream of a scenario that sounds like a lifetime movie. Any emails you care to redact addresses from and share, or pictures of the courts you will be practicing at, or perhaps post your team registration so other members on this board could follow how you do in your abbreviated, tourney specific, season that is seeking out a certain set of standards? |
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 31, 2022 15:05:55 GMT -5
Correct. The whole premise is fake in that no city in DFW has a mandatory vaccine ordinance. Looking at a cross-section of tournaments and clubs in the area, including the Lone Star Qualifier, none have a vaccination policy and didn't even see a mandatory mask policy. Remember almost all tournaments in the DFW area are held in conservative cities. If the Lone Star Qualifier, which is held in the Dallas Convention Center in downtown Dallas, doesn't even have a mandatory mask requirement, much less a vaccine mandate, then its comical to believe the solid red cities have one that are the location of most of the volleyball tournaments. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 31, 2022 16:39:10 GMT -5
The original premise is clubs scheduling tournaments in Philly and other places where you can't function in the city without a vax passport. You are relegated to the room or take-out. There's no reason to go to these places because Philly is a junk tournament where Texas teams go to qualify against weaker competition. They are trying to cement a qualification. We approached our club before the season started about this and they scheduled us for Philly even so which opened up a whole can of worms with the team like is on this thread about COVID vaccine. Texas is fine, Florida is fine. For Lone Star you just go stay in the Omni like always and stay drunk the whole weekend and find out about who got caught sleeping around after it's over... and this is not a joke and you know it if you have been there. There is sabre rattling other places but we aren't scheduled for Washington this year or Salt Lake so not sure of the outcome. Salt Lake City was making city (not state) threats at one time. We are starting our own club so they can pound sand. Literally gave our club 100 grand easy over the years and helped bail them out during 2020 when they begged for donations or fail from the ones of us they knew could pay. But, I mean, I am small fish. They see me coughing up 10 grand extra as something that I owe them. People pay in Frisco to have their kids that suck put on top teams and it's not cheap. Correct. The whole premise is fake in that no city in DFW has a mandatory vaccine ordinance. Looking at a cross-section of tournaments and clubs in the area, including the Lone Star Qualifier, none have a vaccination policy and didn't even see a mandatory mask policy. Remember almost all tournaments in the DFW area are held in conservative cities. If the Lone Star Qualifier, which is held in the Dallas Convention Center in downtown Dallas, doesn't even have a mandatory mask requirement, much less a vaccine mandate, then its comical to believe the solid red cities have one that are the location of most of the volleyball tournaments. Well then I am sure we all look forward to you posting updates on to how your season goes, and how the athletes peers and their families view your guys decision. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 31, 2022 19:33:15 GMT -5
This is such a weird timeline, I can't even tell if this is a troll account or not.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jan 31, 2022 19:40:39 GMT -5
This is such a weird timeline, I can't even tell if this is a troll account or not. Same. I don’t want to keep following along, but I can’t look away. It’s a legit train wreck |
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Post by winesalot on Jan 31, 2022 20:29:51 GMT -5
The team will be out of Frisco. We have 8 players now. One of the families that just signed on yesterday is a legacy Oil and Gas family that live north of here and they are going to fully sponsor the team (pay all the expenses for the team and pay for the coach). And if you think somebody not taking the covid vax is crazy then you haven't been around any of these North Texas rich people that have special paint and wall paper to keep 5G from penetrating the house. I just learned about that from them. I would hate to know what that cost. They have a four court a gym on their ranch that we can use for free. Their daughter is more like a 3rd or 4th level player that nobody really wants but guess what she's starting and no one cares. Saves us all 12 grand right off the top. They will pay the coaches much more than I was expecting. It's going to be a very lucrative deal for someone. My friend from Skyline is likely to going to take it and bring a couple of assistants from his high school. He's not keen on the anti-vaxx but money talks. If we win a tournament he gets a bonus. And they are giving him a company car to drive. Shaping up to be a good 2022-2023 season! I picked up on those phrases as well and instantly said "troll". I haven't been back to this thread since. Glad to know others picked up on the subtle troll cues. If the person is legit then I can only say 2022 is going strong with anti-covid, anti-vaxxers and anti-health "experts doing their own research". Glad that the only kid I care enough to watch in person is graduating early/starting college next spring rather than playing her 18s year. I can't wait to see who they are trying to poach from Skyline 🙄 |
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