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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 1, 2022 11:19:41 GMT -5
This is blatantly untrue. Places with vaccination requirements for dining, indoor activities, gyms, etc have extremely high vaccination rates. Our local university has over 98% of students and staff vaccinated because they required it. That's more than 30,000 people in a place where, if they followed the local vaxx rates, barely half that would have been vaccinated otherwise. Since August 4th of last year New York City has had the vax pass in place for these establishments, it is proven it did not slow the rate of infection. How quickly did covid run through your university in the last couple months? Are you blaming that 2% for the spread, or are we going to use common sense that it is in fact seasonal and is treated like the common cold that is jumping from vaxxed to vaxxed? How many of those vaccinated students and staff were out and about around people when they were likely still contagious after 5 days because they felt better, or would still show a positive PCR test 3 weeks later. Do you think all those people that went out to gyms, the cafeteria, class, or parties should be punished for not getting depressed isolated in their dorms or apartments waiting for the next change in rules for whatever they decide next is deemed "safe" to re enter the world because they had a cough, sniffles, and a soar throat for less than a week?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 1, 2022 11:22:03 GMT -5
More unvaccinated means more chance of infection means more chance of hospitalization, death, and long term issues, not to mention mutation and further infection. It is jumping from vax to vax all while people are wearing masks and boosted, enough of this unproven nonsense. These are just educated guesses of what could happen in hopes they scare people into getting the vaccine.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 1, 2022 11:24:49 GMT -5
So I get chewed out for causing problems and disunity and being a bad example and not being a team player. This is because a lot of people on our current team are jacking their jaws about us to management. This is all coming from someone that was telling the girls to go full keto because he looked like a self-propelled stomach and he lost a lot of weight. So he ate nothing but hot dogs (minus the bun) for a full year and ended up with butt hole cancer. Good advice there coach. Are you still sitting on a pillow driving all the way from Haslet to North Dallas? This might be my favorite post of all time. What this likely tells us is that this is a parent who is upset about the vax rules while also having a kid that may not play as much. They do what all crazy parents do and start trying to stage a coup that had maybe a little bit of interest and people giving loose commitments. Once they went on their tirade on here it was probably pretty easy to figure out who they were if they were speaking the same rhetoric around the players and parents of their club making it super easy to report back to the directors. Hate to be that kid at practice this week.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Feb 1, 2022 11:43:59 GMT -5
More unvaccinated means more chance of infection means more chance of hospitalization, death, and long term issues, not to mention mutation and further infection. It is jumping from vax to vax all while people are wearing masks and boosted, enough of this unproven nonsense. These are just educated guesses of what could happen in hopes they scare people into getting the vaccine. It is "jumping" from vaccinated to vaccinated people, but at much, much lower rates than unvaccinated.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 1, 2022 11:49:29 GMT -5
Does anybody else get tired of arguing the same argument for two years? Because I know I do.
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Post by wmiv1895 on Feb 1, 2022 11:52:38 GMT -5
PART 1: What I wish we had (and maybe we do so please share if so) is how long do the antibodies last from natural immunity and from vaccine immunity. My friends wife is a nurse and she was vaccinated. Before the 3rd booster recommendation came about, she received a test to measure her antibodies from the first 2 shots. She had zero. It was about 5-6 months after her first 2 rounds. I've also heard of people having active antibodies from natural infection that last WAY beyond the supposed 90 day window. Everyone is unique and different so that probably has something to do with it. I just wish we had something more definitive in terms of a study and if we do please share. Part 2: Also, Omicron is now accounting for almost 100% of all US cases: www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/omicron-wave-covid-cases-finally-peaked-us-rcna13103In Israel, the 4th booster is not doing much against Omicron transmission: www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/omicron-wave-covid-cases-finally-peaked-us-rcna13103Portugal is the 5th most fully vaccinated country in the world at 90.5% and the covid graph is going up: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/portugal/So if ending transmission is the goal, we are in a wave of the virus that makes that goal extremely difficult whether we are all vaccinated or not. So if we all had the vaccine, yes we would be better protected against hospitalization and severe disease, but the transmissions will continue until this sharp peak of Omicron dies down. We have to realize the game has changed. Earlier variants and mutation transmissions were somewhat slowed and people could argue vaccines slowed them. Omicron is showing that it can't be stopped by current available vaccines and that's a problem with which we have to catch up. Is Omicron the variant that "ends" the pandemic and moves to endemic or will there be another, less deadly variant that emerges? Just remember, the goal of a virus is to survive and spread (mutate) and it can't do that if it kills off all the hosts. news.northeastern.edu/2021/12/13/virus-evolution/
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Post by bluepenquin on Feb 1, 2022 11:57:05 GMT -5
Haven't we been over this like 30 times in the last two years? Yes - and you continue to act like Covid can be eradicated via vaccines. The chances of a vaccinated person contracting Omicron among association with only vaccinated people is roughly the same as their chances of catching a cold. The risk to the vaccinated person because of an unvaccinated person is so small it doesn't register.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Feb 1, 2022 12:08:37 GMT -5
This isn't a question of whether vaccines are good or bad, but whether they should be mandated. Yes. In this case, vaccine mandates with appropriate exceptions are definitely the way to go to reduce negative outcomes. Experiences shows that an exceedingly small (albeit vocal) minority won't comply with mandates when faced with consequences proportional to the harm their poor choices cause. The government should ease the costs to individuals by paying for vaccines (which it does) and providing tests/masks. In the meantime, hospitalization and death rates become much lower. The taxing of hospital resources becomes lower. People avoid complications from other problems that arise because they are not getting routine checkups. Devoted doctors and nurses don't quit because dying patients and their families mistakenly attack them. Long COVID becomes rarer and the expense of supporting those patients becomes less. Company, and state and fed budgets aren't ravaged by associated health care costs, or ancillary expenses. The argument against mandates seems based on an exceedingly narrow definition of individual freedom. I understand that people want to maintain individual choice. Who doesn't want that? And I get the distrust of collective concerns and action. However, society has to be a team sport in the end. We have to live together. There is no doubt that one person's individual choices sometimes fundamentally influence the choices available to others. That is why we have laws against robbery and murder and slavery and drunk driving. It's plain fantasy to think that doesn't apply when talking about an infectious disease that's killing thousands of people a day - way more than are murdered. If we don't recognize that the preservation of one person's individual freedom sometimes can come at the detriment of others' choices, then freedom is only available to those who are willing to exert power, regardless of evidence of broader good, to enforce their choices while limiting those of others. That is not freedom in any generally meaningful sense. That is not community or society. That is servitude to a philosophy at odds with how the natural world actually works, and to personal privilege at the expense of those without. It's fundamentally not democratic. So I guess I don't understand the rationale against mandates. This is actually pretty wild. You want to mandate that people get a medical procedure that they don't want because you think it is good for them. We could ban smoking also. That would be good for people. How about drinking? And if we are really going to dictate individual's medical choices, the easiest way to save lives is to simply ban abortions. There are way more abortions a year than people who died from Covid. FWIW, there isn't a lot of good data on how effective vaccines are at reducing the spread of omicron. But the sheer number of breakthrough cases suggests that the vaccines aren't very effective if they are effective at all. I am personally "Vaxed and Relaxed". I actually believe the available data that says individuals who are double vaxed and boosted have a very low chance of serious consequences from Covid. Not sure why if you are vaxed you are so focused on what others do when you are at a minimal risk. I also believe that people get to make their own choices in life even if I disagree with them.....
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 1, 2022 12:13:53 GMT -5
It is jumping from vax to vax all while people are wearing masks and boosted, enough of this unproven nonsense. These are just educated guesses of what could happen in hopes they scare people into getting the vaccine. It is "jumping" from vaccinated to vaccinated people, but at much, much lower rates than unvaccinated. This again is just another educated guess that medical professionals made at one point and politicians stick with it because it fits the narrative. It is pretty clear the last variant gave zero f's about where it went, our neighbors college age kids both came home with it and the quarantined as a family while the unvaccinated parents remained completely healthy and fine for the whole two weeks the kids quarantined in the house walking around as normal. We even helped them abide by the rules by picking up groceries for them so they could respect others concerns if they went out.
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Post by moneysonny on Feb 1, 2022 12:15:21 GMT -5
Groupme club chat is blowing up and now we have a team meeting tomorrow night.... MANDATORY PARENT MEETING it says. So obvious this is a gang-up barrel session to "set me straight" and not a discussion. I'm not too keen on driving down to Dallas for this debacle but I'll probably go. All I have to say is that if Butt Hole Cancer wants to get in my grill that he'd better be wearing his ass protector and a cup (figuratively) because I am a long-term paying customer with rights and not a whipping boy. If they ask us to leave the team then they had better shell out a partial refund commensurate with the length of the season thus far or they can talk to my attorney about it. One of the team parent's says they'll probably offer me a full refund just to be rid of me and if not the other parent's will make up the difference but I doubt that. The wife deleted my earlier posts but they are still here anyway when quoted. She's pissed at me along with everyone else at this point and doesn't like conflict even when she knows it's necessary. This might be my favorite post of all time. What this likely tells us is that this is a parent who is upset about the vax rules while also having a kid that may not play as much. They do what all crazy parents do and start trying to stage a coup that had maybe a little bit of interest and people giving loose commitments. Once they went on their tirade on here it was probably pretty easy to figure out who they were if they were speaking the same rhetoric around the players and parents of their club making it super easy to report back to the directors. Hate to be that kid at practice this week.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 1, 2022 12:45:17 GMT -5
Groupme club chat is blowing up and now we have a team meeting tomorrow night.... MANDATORY PARENT MEETING it says. So obvious this is a gang-up barrel session to "set me straight" and not a discussion. I'm not too keen on driving down to Dallas for this debacle but I'll probably go. All I have to say is that if Butt Hole Cancer wants to get in my grill that he'd better be wearing his ass protector and a cup (figuratively) because I am a long-term paying customer with rights and not a whipping boy. If they ask us to leave the team then they had better shell out a partial refund commensurate with the length of the season thus far or they can talk to my attorney about it. One of the team parent's says they'll probably offer me a full refund just to be rid of me and if not the other parent's will make up the difference but I doubt that. The wife deleted my earlier posts but they are still here anyway when quoted. She's pissed at me along with everyone else at this point and doesn't like conflict even when she knows it's necessary. What this likely tells us is that this is a parent who is upset about the vax rules while also having a kid that may not play as much. They do what all crazy parents do and start trying to stage a coup that had maybe a little bit of interest and people giving loose commitments. Once they went on their tirade on here it was probably pretty easy to figure out who they were if they were speaking the same rhetoric around the players and parents of their club making it super easy to report back to the directors. Hate to be that kid at practice this week. Yea man, sounds like you just sewered your kids season before it even really got started. Best of luck to ya, but sounds like you put the cart before the horse and now you are stuck in the mud and should have just went to the directors and asked for a release and partial refund due to difference of opinion on how they are handling covid before you started to stage a coup after kids have committed and coaches were assigned teams. It's not like covid caught us all off guard and if you have been at the club that long you know what tourneys they favor. Seems like this could have been avoidable by a pre season meeting with the directors where you could have tried to accomplish this same goal without upsetting team cohesion. For entertainments sake, you mind videoing or recording this parent meeting and sharing on here later for us to hear how it goes down?
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Post by stanfordvb on Feb 1, 2022 12:50:15 GMT -5
Will it still be an issue in 2-5 years? I would like to think it might not be. Who knows. How many really thought we would still be dealing with it today? Might not be if everyone was vaccinated. Polio was a big thing in my childhood and it disappeared after everyone got vaccinated. My kudos to the OP's club for standing up to the anti-vax BS. Didn’t the poli vaccine actually prevent you from catching polio tho? COVID vaccine doesn’t so not a similar situation where if everyone got the vaccine the virus would go away. I’m not anti vax btw I’m vaccinated lol
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Post by n00b on Feb 1, 2022 12:56:00 GMT -5
I really don’t get the big deal. Is the major issue that you’d have to go to the Philly suburbs for a team meal? Or get takeout if you stay in the city? For ONE tournament? That’s what this is all about?
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Post by hornshouse23 on Feb 1, 2022 12:58:20 GMT -5
I really don’t get the big deal. Is the major issue that you’d have to go to the Philly suburbs for a team meal? Or get takeout if you stay in the city? For ONE tournament? That’s what this is all about? it’s the PRINCIPLE!
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Post by winesalot on Feb 1, 2022 13:14:39 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out what club is physically located in Dallas. Is this really a puzzle I want to solve? It's not hard to go to AES and see what North Texas teams are registered for NEQ, but do I really care? Or should I go taste some samples at Costco?
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