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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 5, 2022 10:01:28 GMT -5
Since Avid is usually correct, let's change it up.
Pool A: CHN (Host) SRB ITA POL BEL CAN THA MEX
Pool B: TUR (Host) BRA DOM GER KOR PUR CMR CRO
Pool C: JPN (Host) USA RUS NED BUL COL ARG CZE
Bold = Teams not qualified for the VNL.
I'm glad that the pool make up will be different because Pool A is ridiculous and Pool B is weak sauce in this scenario. These pools will be set after this international season which is exciting!
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 5, 2022 10:05:55 GMT -5
I think if the VNL is going to be put on such a high points ranking pedestal, the FIVB needs to expand the Challenger Cup and do away with the Core/Challenger Team model. Relegate the bottom 2-4 teams each season so that there is always a healthy turnover rate and thus forcing these teams to at least not blow the tournament off every other season.
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Post by werka on Apr 5, 2022 10:06:55 GMT -5
OQTs are really happening this year? Alongside the WCh’s?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 10:10:39 GMT -5
OQTs are really happening this year? Alongside the WCh’s? no, 2023. the rankings from this fall will determine the 24 teams participating.
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 5, 2022 10:13:43 GMT -5
OQTs are really happening this year? Alongside the WCh’s? No. But basically, teams that have a rough VNL and WCH's this season might find themselves on the outside looking in for an Olympic berth due to the weight of both tournaments' ranking points.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 10:16:38 GMT -5
OQTs are really happening this year? Alongside the WCh’s? No. But basically, teams that have a rough VNL and WCH's this season might find themselves on the outside looking in for an Olympic berth due to the weight of both tournaments' ranking points. I was kinda just thinking about this... Advantage Mexico. Disadvantage Canada.
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 5, 2022 10:18:57 GMT -5
No. But basically, teams that have a rough VNL and WCH's this season might find themselves on the outside looking in for an Olympic berth due to the weight of both tournaments' ranking points. I was kinda just thinking about this... Advantage Mexico. Disadvantage Canada. If I were Winzer, I would "choose" to compete with everything Canada has in this years VNL. Even if they show up, the best they could hope for would be not ending up with a net loss in ranking points.
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 5, 2022 10:25:05 GMT -5
I love this. Let's arrange the teams into the three pools if the tournament were to occur this season. For funsies, lets award the top three ranked teams (USA, BRA and CHN) as hosts. Pool A: USA* ITA* DOM# POL# BEL# CAN THA MEX Pool B: BRA* SRB* RUS* GER# KOR PUR CMR CRO Pool C: CHN* TUR* JPN# NED# BUL COL ARG CZE * = Favorites # = Dark Horse Teams are really going to want to be hosts. Also, the VNL really must become THE focal point for teams to improve their world ranking. By the end of this process I fully expect there to be 4 CEV teams (including hosts, France) along with USA, BRA and CHN that will have qualified. Let's assume the other qualified teams are Italy, Serbia and Turkey. After that it definitely gets dicey. Cameroon would get the nod since they are the highest ranked CAVB team and Africa doesn't have a qualified team yet. Then, based on the current world rankings the last 4 teams qualified would be Dominicana, Russia, Japan and The Netherlands. 6 CEV, 2 NOR, 2 AVC, 1 CSV and 1 CAVB. Japan and Dominicana cannot afford to have a bad VNL. Good thing there are 3 between now and the Paris Games. Basically, teams that aren't qualified for the VNL will probably miss out on qualifying for the Olympics if I read the qualification process correctly. FIVB should expand the Challenger Cup if they hope to keep this format after this quad. You have Russia in the field. The cut off is October 17. Are we expecting them to be back in the fold by then? The next team in the rankings at the moment - Ukraine. Given the choice between letting Russia in, and Ukraine, I know what I'd like to see them do.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 5, 2022 13:00:12 GMT -5
OQTs are really happening this year? Alongside the WCh’s? no, 2023. the rankings from this fall will determine the 24 teams participating. And the pools will be set as of Oct 2022? So, after the IOQT, it's going to basically be 1 African team + 4 top ranked teams who haven't qualified simply by ranking and not with any competition? Currently, Dominican Republic is only 3 points behind Serbia in World Ranking and 1 point behind Italy. Kind of crazy. They're also 37 points ahead of Japan. Russia is a wildcard/TBD of course for now anyways. Will be interesting to see if they can hold up that ranking until that point. There's plenty of movement that can happen, there will be WCH, 2 VNL's, IOQT, and of course continental competition before the rankings will determine 'at-large' spots to the Olympics, right?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 13:03:56 GMT -5
no, 2023. the rankings from this fall will determine the 24 teams participating. And the pools will be set as of Oct 2022? So, after the IOQT, it's going to basically be 1 African team + 4 top ranked teams who haven't qualified simply by ranking and not with any competition? Currently, Dominican Republic is only 3 points behind Serbia in World Ranking and 1 point behind Italy. Kind of crazy. They're also 37 points ahead of Japan. Russia is a wildcard/TBD of course for now anyways. Will be interesting to see if they can hold up that ranking until that point. There's plenty of movement that can happen, there will be WCH, 2 VNL's, IOQT, and of course continental competition before the rankings will determine 'at-large' spots to the Olympics, right? yes. ranking spots will be after the 2024 VNL
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Post by basil on Apr 5, 2022 13:04:40 GMT -5
I better not see a fully healthy Alexa Gray at libero this VNL
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Post by trojansc on Apr 5, 2022 13:11:50 GMT -5
And the pools will be set as of Oct 2022? So, after the IOQT, it's going to basically be 1 African team + 4 top ranked teams who haven't qualified simply by ranking and not with any competition? Currently, Dominican Republic is only 3 points behind Serbia in World Ranking and 1 point behind Italy. Kind of crazy. They're also 37 points ahead of Japan. Russia is a wildcard/TBD of course for now anyways. Will be interesting to see if they can hold up that ranking until that point. There's plenty of movement that can happen, there will be WCH, 2 VNL's, IOQT, and of course continental competition before the rankings will determine 'at-large' spots to the Olympics, right? yes. ranking spots will be after the 2024 VNL After the 2024 VNL? The 2024 VNL is scheduled to end on June 30th. The Paris Olympics are scheduled to start on July 26th. We possibly won't know the official at-large teams until less than a month before Paris starts? That's crazy.
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Apr 5, 2022 13:25:36 GMT -5
I think if the VNL is going to be put on such a high points ranking pedestal, the FIVB needs to expand the Challenger Cup and do away with the Core/Challenger Team model. Relegate the bottom 2-4 teams each season so that there is always a healthy turnover rate and thus forcing these teams to at least not blow the tournament off every other season. Yes 100% this!!! The core/challenger team model is so stupid.
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 5, 2022 15:50:49 GMT -5
I better not see a fully healthy Alexa Gray at libero this VNL Is King their best setting option? Bujan their best Libero? Also, who plays OH2? Howe? Mitrovic?Bailey? The rest seems pretty set to me. OH: Gray OPP: Van Ryk MB: Cross, Maglio I wouldn't mess with those pieces.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 5, 2022 16:01:25 GMT -5
Since Avid is usually correct, let's change it up. Pool A: CHN (Host) SRB ITA POL BEL CAN THA MEXPool B: TUR (Host) BRA DOM GER KOR PUR CMR CROPool C: JPN (Host) USA RUS NED BUL COL ARG CZE
Bold = Teams not qualified for the VNL. I'm glad that the pool make up will be different because Pool A is ridiculous and Pool B is weak sauce in this scenario. These pools will be set after this international season which is exciting! Brazil and Turkey in the same qualifying group? Are you trying to start an actual war?
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