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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 5, 2022 16:03:44 GMT -5
Since Avid is usually correct, let's change it up. Pool A: CHN (Host) SRB ITA POL BEL CAN THA MEXPool B: TUR (Host) BRA DOM GER KOR PUR CMR CROPool C: JPN (Host) USA RUSNED BUL COLARGCZEBold = Teams not qualified for the VNL. I'm glad that the pool make up will be different because Pool A is ridiculous and Pool B is weak sauce in this scenario. These pools will be set after this international season which is exciting! Brazil and Turkey in the same qualifying group? Are you trying to start an actual war? Haha. Nope. Both of them would be shoe ins for the top two spots if these were the actual pools.
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Post by epicbreathingnittanylion on Apr 5, 2022 16:05:47 GMT -5
Brazil and Turkey in the same qualifying group? Are you trying to start an actual war? Haha. Nope. Both of them would be shoe ins for the top two spots if these were the actual pools. yes i know but that fan banter is going to be subhuman and revolting🍿
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 16:07:41 GMT -5
Brazil and Turkey in the same qualifying group? Are you trying to start an actual war? Haha. Nope. Both of them would be shoe ins for the top two spots if these were the actual pools. Turkey and pressure games tho…. DOM would love that pool
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Post by epicbreathingnittanylion on Apr 5, 2022 16:08:28 GMT -5
Haha. Nope. Both of them would be shoe ins for the top two spots if these were the actual pools. Turkey and pressure games tho…. DOM would love that pool yes dont remind me….but then i remember the Poland match
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 16:08:54 GMT -5
Turkey and pressure games tho…. DOM would love that pool yes dont remind me….but then i remember the Poland match yea but Poland sucks lol
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 5, 2022 16:08:54 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I am glad the FIVB is changing the process up each quad for the time being. I just think that since the VNL is clearly going to play a more vital role in the Olympic qualification process, more teams should be shuffling in and out of the tournament each year. I'm sorry, but I for one am board watching Thailand and Korea get thrashed each season. They both should be relegated and have to earn promotion every other year. Instead they are safe as "core teams". Plus, as we start to see more federations strengthen as the game "grows", we will start to see teams from NORCECA, CSV and CAVB start to make their mark on the international scene. I get that Asia is a huge market for the FIVB, but it shouldn't be at the expense of other teams around the world that deserve their shot to make it among the sports elite teams. That's just my two cents.
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Post by epicbreathingnittanylion on Apr 5, 2022 16:12:08 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I am glad the FIVB is changing the process up each quad for the time being. I just think that since the VNL is clearly going to play a more vital role in the Olympic qualification process, more teams should be shuffling in and out of the tournament each year. I'm sorry, but I for one am board watching Thailand and Korea get thrashed each season. They both should be relegated and have to earn promotion every other year. Instead they are safe as "core teams". Plus, as we start to see more federations strengthen as the game "grows", we will start to see teams from NORCECA, CSV and CAVB start to make their mark on the international scene. I get that Asia is a huge market for the FIVB, but it shouldn't be at the expense of other teams around the world that deserve their shot to make it among the sports elite teams. That's just my two cents. maybe one thing they could do is relegate and promote a team from each continent or something like that. So that they dont have a region left out that would tune in. The unfortunate fact is volleyball is not as popular as football and needs to make the money. And even the FIFA world cup allocated its qualifying spots by continent—its not just all European teams and Brasil and Argentina.
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Post by epicbreathingnittanylion on Apr 5, 2022 16:12:51 GMT -5
yes dont remind me….but then i remember the Poland match yea but Poland sucks lol they didnt suck that day
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 16:20:55 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I am glad the FIVB is changing the process up each quad for the time being. I just think that since the VNL is clearly going to play a more vital role in the Olympic qualification process, more teams should be shuffling in and out of the tournament each year. I'm sorry, but I for one am board watching Thailand and Korea get thrashed each season. They both should be relegated and have to earn promotion every other year. Instead they are safe as "core teams". Plus, as we start to see more federations strengthen as the game "grows", we will start to see teams from NORCECA, CSV and CAVB start to make their mark on the international scene. I get that Asia is a huge market for the FIVB, but it shouldn't be at the expense of other teams around the world that deserve their shot to make it among the sports elite teams. That's just my two cents. will we? this new system is awful for NORCECA, CSV, and AVC tbh. Their representation is going to decrease. Meanwhile instead of diverse countries... we get european cannon fodder. I don't think more CEV representation is a good thing, in the Olympic spirit anyways. (WCH is a different deal)
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Post by newbeach on Apr 5, 2022 16:26:55 GMT -5
I was kinda just thinking about this... Advantage Mexico. Disadvantage Canada. If I were Winzer, I would "choose" to compete with everything Canada has in this years VNL. Even if they show up, the best they could hope for would be not ending up with a net loss in ranking points. Even if Canada #choosestocompete, they will always be at a disadvantage due to the #thewinzerfactor. I’m just hoping she doesn’t play the entire second string for several matches at the VNL again, and subsequently lose the ranking points they gain. Or play, Gray at libero even when she’s healthy to hit, or leave key players off important rosters, incessantly playing lesser players over better players (Mitrovic > Howe), or bring a “C” team to the Pan Am Cup. 🤞that she knows the significance of the tournaments ahead to having any hope of qualifying for the Olympics (which is already looking slim with the new qualification system). 🙏 the #winzerfactor doesn’t rise again.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 16:32:01 GMT -5
What really sucks for Canada, DOM, and Mexico is the continental championship is before the IOQT.
USA should slag off for the NORCECAs for the benefit of everyone else.
But they wont do that as long as they're not qualified.
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Post by newbeach on Apr 5, 2022 16:49:41 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I am glad the FIVB is changing the process up each quad for the time being. I just think that since the VNL is clearly going to play a more vital role in the Olympic qualification process, more teams should be shuffling in and out of the tournament each year. I'm sorry, but I for one am board watching Thailand and Korea get thrashed each season. They both should be relegated and have to earn promotion every other year. Instead they are safe as "core teams". Plus, as we start to see more federations strengthen as the game "grows", we will start to see teams from NORCECA, CSV and CAVB start to make their mark on the international scene. I get that Asia is a huge market for the FIVB, but it shouldn't be at the expense of other teams around the world that deserve their shot to make it among the sports elite teams. That's just my two cents. I agree that some core teams should not be automatically core teams. I think the new qualification system will hurt the NORCECA at a time when teams like Canada and Mexico are on the uptick.
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Apr 5, 2022 17:50:44 GMT -5
It looks like the underdog teams I was rooting for will have a much harder time qualifying for the Olympics I do think that this format will make Paris much more competitive though. Looking forward to how everything shakes out!
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 17:55:01 GMT -5
I got curious... lets see how Europe has faced vs the top dogs at the Olympics since USA became relevant. Brazil 2008: W Russia, W Serbia, W Italy 2012: W Serbia, W Turkey, W Russia 2016: W Russia 2021: W Serbia, W Russia USA 2008: W Poland, W Italy 2012: W Serbia, W Turkey 2016: W Netherlands, W Serbia, W Italy, L Serbia, W Netherlands 2021: W Turkey, L Russia, W Italy, W Serbia China 2008: W Poland, W Russia 2012: W Serbia, W Turkey 2016: L Netherlands, W Italy, L Serbia, W Netherlands, W Serbia 2021: L Russia, L Turkey, W Italy With 2021 China being the outlier... seems like a lot of irrelevance to me.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 18:06:14 GMT -5
I got even more curious.... so lets look at WCH
Brazil 2010: W Netherlands, W Italy, W Czech Republic, W Germany, L Russia 2014: W Serbia, W Bulgaria, W Turkey, W Russia, W Netherlands, W Italy 2018: L Serbia, L Germany, W Netherlands
USA 2010: W Germany, W Croatia, W Czech Republic, L Italy, W Netherlands, L Russia 2014: W Russia, W Netherlands, W Turkey, W Bulgaria, W Serbia, L Italy, W Russia, 2018: W Russia, W Azerbaijan, W Bulgaria, W Turkey, L Italy, L Netherlands
China 2010: L Turkey, L Russia, L Serbia, W Poland, L Poland 2014: W Belgium, W Azerbaijan, W Germany, W Croatia, L Italy, W Italy 2018: L Italy, W Bulgaria, W Turkey, W Azerbaijan, W Russia, W Netherlands, L Italy, W Netherlands
Excluding 2010 China, there is exactly one match where a European team upset a Big 3 member.
but yes, we need more Europeans.
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