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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 18:44:50 GMT -5
Serbia beat both the usa and China in the Olympics is what I’m saying. So that makes 2. Also wouldn’t Serbia be considered in the big 3 over China in recent years ? im confused. im not talking about Serbia. The big 3 are the best non-european teams. not the "big 3" as in best in the world you said that the European teams only had one win against the big 3 (China, Brazil, usa) I was assuming you meant the Serbia vs usa 2016 semi as that one win and i was saying Serbia beat China in that OG too. Unless I’m not following
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 18:46:38 GMT -5
im confused. im not talking about Serbia. The big 3 are the best non-european teams. not the "big 3" as in best in the world you said that the European teams only had one win against the big 3 (China, Brazil, usa) I was assuming you meant the Serbia vs usa 2016 semi as that one win and i was saying Serbia beat China in that OG too. Unless I’m not following where they (a non-top Euro team) upset a big 3. (that was about the world championships) Germany beating Brazil in 2018 was the upset.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 18:47:38 GMT -5
you said that the European teams only had one win against the big 3 (China, Brazil, usa) I was assuming you meant the Serbia vs usa 2016 semi as that one win and i was saying Serbia beat China in that OG too. Unless I’m not following where they (a non-top Euro team) upset a big 3. (that was about the world championships) Germany beating Brazil in 2018 was the upset. OH my bad I get it
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 18:49:00 GMT -5
where they (a non-top Euro team) upset a big 3. (that was about the world championships) Germany beating Brazil in 2018 was the upset. OH my bad I get it im not trying to slight Serbia (for once ) My point was the non-top Euro teams... aren't beating the big 3 (china, brazil, usa)... so will it really make it more competitive? (compared to equal representation across federations) idk.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 5, 2022 18:49:43 GMT -5
Hey Madden i think one difference being missed in Avids argument is that one is determining who “wins” the cl, v who “qualifies” for the olympics.
If we are going to have cannon fodder for the usual suspects maybe it is good for that cannon fodder to change a little each time. Lol
Honestly though i kind of like this system as it gives a chance for there to not actually be cannon fodder if 12 or so teams regardless of continent establish themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 18:50:16 GMT -5
im not trying to slight Serbia (for once ) My point was the non-top Euro teams... aren't beating the big 3 (china, brazil, usa)... so will it really make it more competitive? (compared to equal representation across federations) idk. I mistook it as you said the top euro teams aren’t ever beating the big 3 either and I was like well there was 2 euro teams as the finalist in the last WC and back to back medals by euro teams in the Olympics so but I get it now
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 5, 2022 18:51:49 GMT -5
im not trying to slight Serbia (for once ) My point was the non-top Euro teams... aren't beating the big 3 (china, brazil, usa)... so will it really make it more competitive? (compared to equal representation across federations) idk. something something Türkiye 3-0 Çin
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Post by trojansc on Apr 5, 2022 18:54:37 GMT -5
What really sucks for Canada, DOM, and Mexico is the continental championship is before the IOQT. USA should slag off for the NORCECAs for the benefit of everyone else. But they wont do that as long as they're not qualified. The two-time defending NORCECA Champions will repeat their title!
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 5, 2022 18:57:33 GMT -5
not that It disproves your point (although I’m not sure why you’re even making it because Brazil has had a strangle grip on the Olympics for a while and i just don’t think the euro teams were better) but Serbia beat both China and the Usa in 2016 I know (i made a post about the olympics) My point was, besides the big 3 (Russia, Italy, Serbia)... they're (europeans) not beating the top dogs. The whole argument against equal representation is to make it more competitive... meanwhile those teams that are replacing the CSV #2, AVC #2, etc... aren't beating the top teams either. I cannot argue this. I guess I just think there isn't much parity right now between the top teams in Europe. Any one of them on a good day could win a gold medal, especially if Russia isn't in the picture. Unpopular opinion here but I would include Turkey, Netherlands and Poland in that top tier. Especially with those teams coaching/incoming talent combinations. Germany, Belgium and Bulgaria are upper mid tier while Croatia, Czech Republic etc are still quite weak/inconsistent. To be clear, I'm officially conflicted on this subject. Perhaps the FIVB thinks that the overall level of play hasn't been great and this is what they feel is necessary to drive the sports popularity in already popular markets? I would love to be a fly on the wall in Lausanne just to see how they come to these conclusions.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 5, 2022 18:59:08 GMT -5
I know (i made a post about the olympics) My point was, besides the big 3 (Russia, Italy, Serbia)... they're (europeans) not beating the top dogs. The whole argument against equal representation is to make it more competitive... meanwhile those teams that are replacing the CSV #2, AVC #2, etc... aren't beating the top teams either. I cannot argue this. I guess I just think there isn't much parity right now between the top teams in Europe. Any one of them on a good day could win a gold medal, especially if Russia isn't in the picture. Unpopular opinion here but I would include Turkey, Netherlands and Poland in that top tier. Especially with those teams coaching/incoming talent combinations. Germany, Belgium and Bulgaria are upper mid tier while Croatia, Czech Republic etc are still quite weak/inconsistent. To be clear, I'm officially conflicted on this subject. Perhaps the FIVB thinks that the overall level of play hasn't been great and this is what they feel is necessary to drive the sports popularity in already popular markets? I would love to be a fly on the wall in Lausanne just to see how they come to these conclusions. cant wait for Nederland to be roundly spanked in the WC
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Post by Reach on Apr 5, 2022 19:00:54 GMT -5
Europe has been grossly undervalued in the world of volleyball for far too long. Glad more teams will have the opportunity to represent, thus potentially making the tournament stronger.
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Post by Reach on Apr 5, 2022 19:02:00 GMT -5
I better not see a fully healthy Alexa Gray at libero this VNL Is King their best setting option? Bujan their best Libero? Also, who plays OH2? Howe? Mitrovic?Bailey? The rest seems pretty set to me. OH: Gray OPP: Van Ryk MB: Cross, Maglio I wouldn't mess with those pieces. Maybe they can steal Carlini … after all Canada is just an extension of Wisconsin and you know how much she loves it there.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 19:03:22 GMT -5
I know (i made a post about the olympics) My point was, besides the big 3 (Russia, Italy, Serbia)... they're (europeans) not beating the top dogs. The whole argument against equal representation is to make it more competitive... meanwhile those teams that are replacing the CSV #2, AVC #2, etc... aren't beating the top teams either. To be clear, I'm officially conflicted on this subject. Perhaps the FIVB thinks that the overall level of play hasn't been great and this is what they feel is necessary to drive the sports popularity in already popular markets? I would love to be a fly on the wall in Lausanne just to see how they come to these conclusions. doubt it. this way makes it harder for Japan/Korea/Thailand to qualify.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 19:03:44 GMT -5
I know (i made a post about the olympics) My point was, besides the big 3 (Russia, Italy, Serbia)... they're (europeans) not beating the top dogs. The whole argument against equal representation is to make it more competitive... meanwhile those teams that are replacing the CSV #2, AVC #2, etc... aren't beating the top teams either. I cannot argue this. I guess I just think there isn't much parity right now between the top teams in Europe. Any one of them on a good day could win a gold medal, especially if Russia isn't in the picture. Unpopular opinion here but I would include Turkey, Netherlands and Poland in that top tier. Especially with those teams coaching/incoming talent combinations. Germany, Belgium and Bulgaria are upper mid tier while Croatia, Czech Republic etc are still quite weak/inconsistent. To be clear, I'm officially conflicted on this subject. Perhaps the FIVB thinks that the overall level of play hasn't been great and this is what they feel is necessary to drive the sports popularity in already popular markets? I would love to be a fly on the wall in Lausanne just to see how they come to these conclusions. nah turkey sucks
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 5, 2022 19:05:12 GMT -5
Is King their best setting option? Bujan their best Libero? Also, who plays OH2? Howe? Mitrovic?Bailey? The rest seems pretty set to me. OH: Gray OPP: Van Ryk MB: Cross, Maglio I wouldn't mess with those pieces. Maybe they can steal Carlini … after all Canada is just an extension of Wisconsin and you know how much she loves it there. Attachments:
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