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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Apr 5, 2022 19:05:27 GMT -5
To be clear, I'm officially conflicted on this subject. Perhaps the FIVB thinks that the overall level of play hasn't been great and this is what they feel is necessary to drive the sports popularity in already popular markets? I would love to be a fly on the wall in Lausanne just to see how they come to these conclusions. doubt it. this way makes it harder for Japan/Korea/Thailand to qualify. now that KYK has retired honestly I don't care if Korea doesn't get a shot to qualify lol feel for Thailand though. I really thought that if they used the previous qualification method for this quad, they would have had a really good shot at qualifying for the Olympics
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 5, 2022 19:07:02 GMT -5
I cannot argue this. I guess I just think there isn't much parity right now between the top teams in Europe. Any one of them on a good day could win a gold medal, especially if Russia isn't in the picture. Unpopular opinion here but I would include Turkey, Netherlands and Poland in that top tier. Especially with those teams coaching/incoming talent combinations. Germany, Belgium and Bulgaria are upper mid tier while Croatia, Czech Republic etc are still quite weak/inconsistent. To be clear, I'm officially conflicted on this subject. Perhaps the FIVB thinks that the overall level of play hasn't been great and this is what they feel is necessary to drive the sports popularity in already popular markets? I would love to be a fly on the wall in Lausanne just to see how they come to these conclusions. nah turkey sucks Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 19:07:46 GMT -5
they lost to KOREA. That’s so embarrassing 😭
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 19:08:11 GMT -5
doubt it. this way makes it harder for Japan/Korea/Thailand to qualify. now that KYK has retired honestly I don't care if Korea doesn't get a shot to qualify lol feel for Thailand though. I really thought that if they used the previous qualification method for this quad, they would have had a really good shot at qualifying for the Olympics if the ranking method continues, the separation between the haves and have nots will just continue to grow.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 5, 2022 19:09:02 GMT -5
they lost to KOREA. That’s so embarrassing 😭 ok but Zehra didnt show up, Durant probably kept her up all night, and KYK put in one of the greatest performances of all time.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 19:09:54 GMT -5
they lost to KOREA. That’s so embarrassing 😭 what's more embarrassing losing to KYK.... or annie drews? (i just want to trigger jwvolley dont come at me)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 19:10:42 GMT -5
they lost to KOREA. That’s so embarrassing 😭 what's more embarrassing losing to KYK.... or annie drews? (i just want to trigger jwvolley dont come at me) we lost because of Maja and Terzić and because poulter learned to dig 😭
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 5, 2022 19:10:45 GMT -5
they lost to KOREA. That’s so embarrassing 😭 what's more embarrassing losing to KYK.... or annie drews? (i just want to trigger jwvolley dont come at me) nothing but love for Nick Foles—i mean Annie Drews
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Apr 5, 2022 19:50:01 GMT -5
now that KYK has retired honestly I don't care if Korea doesn't get a shot to qualify lol feel for Thailand though. I really thought that if they used the previous qualification method for this quad, they would have had a really good shot at qualifying for the Olympics if the ranking method continues, the separation between the haves and have nots will just continue to grow. I think the best solution is changing the format of VNL (getting rid of the core/challenger teams), incorporating a better challenger cup tournament and getting something like the CEV Golden League for all of the other continental federations going. Of course that's not a comprehensive solution, but it gives more teams an opportunity to show off what they can do. At the end of the day, a team like Mexico isn't getting the same opportunities to improve their ranking as a mid-level CEV team like say, Greece or Croatia. Obviously that's not gonna happen because $$$ but, yeah, I agree with you that with the current way things are going, the gap between the favorites and the underdogs is going to get bigger. Idk what the best solution because at the end of the day it's all about money
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Apr 5, 2022 19:54:09 GMT -5
they lost to KOREA. That’s so embarrassing 😭 ok but Zehra didnt show up, Durant probably kept her up all night, and KYK put in one of the greatest performances of all time. KYK literally made me cry on match point in that quarterfinal 😭 Turkey & Karabear will get more chances soon. For KYK that was her last, so it was a perfect ending for me. #sorrytotheturkishfans
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Apr 5, 2022 20:02:26 GMT -5
ok but Zehra didnt show up, Durant probably kept her up all night, and KYK put in one of the greatest performances of all time. KYK literally made me cry on match point in that quarterfinal 😭 Turkey & Karabear will get more chances soon. For KYK that was her last, so it was a perfect ending for me. #sorrytotheturkishfans it was an incredible performance, one so iconic that i couldnt feel so bad about the loss. It had the feeling of watching history. (If i recall correctly Meryem played most of that game—Ebrar was probably misfiring)
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Post by jar11235 on Apr 5, 2022 22:20:46 GMT -5
What a bummer for emerging teams like Colombia that have been steadily improving. With this new system will be almost impossible to qualify because there probably won't be a second berth for any south American country. I think the VNL system aucks big time. I think a B VNL version with ranked teams between 16 and 32 should be created to give more chances for these teams to be more competitive.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 22:22:32 GMT -5
What a bummer for emerging teams like Colombia that have been steadily improving. With this new system will be almost impossible to qualify because there probably won't be a second berth for any south American country. I think the VNL system aucks big time. I think a B VNL version with ranked teams between 16 and 32 should be created to give more chances for these teams to be more competitive. That's why CEV created the European Golden/Silver leagues. (tournament for teams not in the VNL) NORCECA/CSV should team up to do something similar, but I guess the Pan-Am Cup/Games kinda serves the same purpose.
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 5, 2022 22:39:25 GMT -5
What a bummer for emerging teams like Colombia that have been steadily improving. With this new system will be almost impossible to qualify because there probably won't be a second berth for any south American country. I think the VNL system aucks big time. I think a B VNL version with ranked teams between 16 and 32 should be created to give more chances for these teams to be more competitive. That's why CEV created the European Golden/Silver leagues. (tournament for teams not in the VNL) NORCECA/CSV should team up to do something similar, but I guess the Pan-Am Cup/Games kinda serves the same purpose. It helps that all of Europe is compact and travel isn't as much of an issue. I agree with you though that the Pan-Am's need to either include more teams or be revamped into a league format. That would be pretty cool.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 5, 2022 22:46:29 GMT -5
That's why CEV created the European Golden/Silver leagues. (tournament for teams not in the VNL) NORCECA/CSV should team up to do something similar, but I guess the Pan-Am Cup/Games kinda serves the same purpose. It helps that all of Europe is compact and travel isn't as much of an issue. I agree with you though that the Pan-Am's need to either include more teams or be revamped into a league format. That would be pretty cool. its too much work for me right now, but id like to go back into the rankings archive to see how much of a bump Italy/co got for the Euros vs NORCECA's championship. im going to guess they play more games, more games = more points gained. (although DOM will have the benefit of beating a USA C team) i would say I hope NORCECA tries to be strategic... but we all know it'll be DOM just going for it and hoping for the best lol
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