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Post by bbg95 on Apr 19, 2022 23:09:55 GMT -5
Hancock is from Oklahoma? I honestly had no idea. Yep, she's from Edmond. And get this: according to Micha's USAV bio page, her mother Kelly even played basketball at Oklahoma State in her day. Hmm, I'm not that familiar with Oklahoma. I think I've been there exactly once when we moved from Houston to Lincoln when I was like 10 or so. Actually, we almost moved to Stillwater at one point because my dad was offered a job at Oklahoma State, but he took a different offer somewhere else.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Apr 20, 2022 0:28:21 GMT -5
Wonder if this will put any pressure on Oklahoma State to add volleyball? They will be the last P5 school without a team. For selfish (Texas) reasons, I enjoy seeing this. Once Vanderbilt starts playing, finally a conference volleyball schedule without an odd number of teams which should mean no byes during conference play. Agree. I wouldn't underestimate how important this is for scheduling. Looking at the SEC, 15 teams is a real scheduling problem. 16 would allow traveling quads that would fit into an 18 match conference season. Play twice against teams in your quad and 1 against everyone else. Plus this can be done in 9 weeks with exactly 2 matches per week. What would the quads be?
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 20, 2022 8:21:18 GMT -5
Agree. I wouldn't underestimate how important this is for scheduling. Looking at the SEC, 15 teams is a real scheduling problem. 16 would allow traveling quads that would fit into an 18 match conference season. Play twice against teams in your quad and 1 against everyone else. Plus this can be done in 9 weeks with exactly 2 matches per week. What would the quads be? Here's one idea. I think they might swap out Missouri for Texas A&M so that Texas and A&M are in the same pod, but this looks about right otherwise.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 20, 2022 9:05:51 GMT -5
Here's one idea. I think they might swap out Missouri for Texas A&M so that Texas and A&M are in the same pod, but this looks about right otherwise. This was one of the ideas that was thrown out shortly after the announcement of Texas and OU joining the SEC. I know I saw at least one other that had Texas, A&M, OU, and Arkansas in the same pod, but not sure if it just swapped A&M and Missouri from the idea that you posted or had some other changes. When this discussion died off last year, it seemed to be about 50/50 in opinions that the SEC would go to the quad system in football or stayed with two divisions. No real discussion on the schedule in the remaining sports.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 20, 2022 10:03:42 GMT -5
systemic bias against men
Vanderbilt discriminating against men
10 womens sports
6 mens sports
12 schollies for women, 4.5 for men, why not add MVB?
in the larger scheme of things, we need more opportunities for men, especially in MVB
yes, always good to see VB grow, just not with bias and discriimination
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 20, 2022 10:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 10:45:28 GMT -5
Wonder if this will put any pressure on Oklahoma State to add volleyball? They will be the last P5 school without a team. For selfish (Texas) reasons, I enjoy seeing this. Once Vanderbilt starts playing, finally a conference volleyball schedule without an odd number of teams which should mean no byes during conference play. Has Oklahoma State ever considered adding women's volleyball? It will be rather embarrassing if they're the only P5 school not to sponsor it. Would just be another sport to losing to OU.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 10:47:07 GMT -5
It looks like Oklahoma State actually did consider adding women's volleyball about two decades ago, but they opted for equestrian instead. The cited reasons at the time were "lack of gym space" (?--many volleyball teams play in the basketball arena) and volleyball not being very popular in Oklahoma. Does anyone from the area know if volleyball has become significantly more popular in the intervening time? I couldn't find much in a Google search. I have no facts concerning your question, but I suspect it's not significantly more popular. Outside of OKC and Tulsa areas, Oklahoma is small towns and rural areas. Likely not much club ball outside OKC and Tulsa. I suspect Equestrian is good for their athletic donations. Pretty expensive sport and I suspect OSU gets some good donations from wealthy fathers making sure their darling daughter has a place on the team. Yeah ... but there's no rule that you are only allowed to recruit players from your own state!
I hear Texas has a lot of talent ...
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Post by donut on Apr 20, 2022 11:10:13 GMT -5
kind of a long shot, but if she wants a long-term career in coaching, I could see them giving Larson the nod to build what she wants definitely a long shot but
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Post by vbshrink on Apr 20, 2022 11:10:47 GMT -5
This is a bit off-topic (and certainly not an issue for Vandy, as noted above), but when OU joins the SEC, they are going to have change their ratio of men's/women's sports. They currently have 10 women's sports and 9 men's. SEC rules require 2 more women's teams than men's (to balance out the vast disproportionality of football in terms of scholarships, and to help address historical imbalances in college athletics). OU already has volleyball (obvs), gymnastics (your national champions), and rowing. They don't have varsity swimming/diving. Anyone know if they plan to add it? Or they could go the route of adding Equestrian and compete against SEC member schools Auburn, UGA, SC, and TAMU (and regional schools TCU, SMU, Baylor, and OK State).
Or would they drop a men's sport? (The imbalance comes in part from having more men's teams than "usual;" specifically, they have a men's gymnastics team and a wrestling team -- a very good one. No SEC schools have men's gymnastics at the varsity level, and only Mizzou, I think, sponsors wrestling.)
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 20, 2022 11:14:55 GMT -5
This is a bit off-topic (and certainly not an issue for Vandy, as noted above), but when OU joins the SEC, they are going to have change their ratio of men's/women's sports. They currently have 10 women's sports and 9 men's. SEC rules require 2 more women's teams than men's (to balance out the vast disproportionality of football in terms of scholarships, and to help address historical imbalances in college athletics). OU already has volleyball (obvs), gymnastics (your national champions), and rowing. They don't have varsity swimming/diving. Anyone know if they plan to add it? Or they could go the route of adding Equestrian and compete against SEC member schools Auburn, UGA, SC, and TAMU (and regional schools TCU, SMU, Baylor, and OK State). Or would they drop a men's sport? (The imbalance comes in part from having more men's teams than "usual;" specifically, they have a men's gymnastics team and a wrestling team -- a very good one. No SEC schools have men's gymnastics at the varsity level, and only Mizzou, I think, sponsors wrestling.) Do they have a suitable swimming facility on campus?that would be a BIG expenditure and total PITA. I think it's most likely they'd add sand vb or lacrosse (or maybe women's wrestling?)
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Post by donut on Apr 20, 2022 11:17:24 GMT -5
Here's one idea. I think they might swap out Missouri for Texas A&M so that Texas and A&M are in the same pod, but this looks about right otherwise. If they are trying to keep things as local as possible, I'd probably put UK-UT-Vandy together with either USC or UGA, and then send the other one to UF-Auburn-Bama.
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Post by vbshrink on Apr 20, 2022 11:18:46 GMT -5
Do they have a suitable swimming facility on campus?that would be a BIG expenditure and total PITA. I think it's most likely they'd add sand vb or lacrosse (or maybe women's wrestling?) Those are both very sensible options - especially sand!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 11:30:46 GMT -5
This is a bit off-topic (and certainly not an issue for Vandy, as noted above), but when OU joins the SEC, they are going to have change their ratio of men's/women's sports. They currently have 10 women's sports and 9 men's. SEC rules require 2 more women's teams than men's (to balance out the vast disproportionality of football in terms of scholarships, and to help address historical imbalances in college athletics). OU already has volleyball (obvs), gymnastics (your national champions), and rowing. They don't have varsity swimming/diving. Anyone know if they plan to add it? Or they could go the route of adding Equestrian and compete against SEC member schools Auburn, UGA, SC, and TAMU (and regional schools TCU, SMU, Baylor, and OK State). Or would they drop a men's sport? (The imbalance comes in part from having more men's teams than "usual;" specifically, they have a men's gymnastics team and a wrestling team -- a very good one. No SEC schools have men's gymnastics at the varsity level, and only Mizzou, I think, sponsors wrestling.) U of Minn was one of the few schools in the country to have varsity men's gymnastics, and just dropped the team.
Would think that would be by far the easiest path for them (OU) to go.
Also would assume OU will stay in the Big XII for wrestling, which is a large, competitive conference that has several wrestling teams from schools in various other DI conferences that don't sponsor the sport. Mizzou is there.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 20, 2022 12:13:41 GMT -5
I have no facts concerning your question, but I suspect it's not significantly more popular. Outside of OKC and Tulsa areas, Oklahoma is small towns and rural areas. Likely not much club ball outside OKC and Tulsa. I suspect Equestrian is good for their athletic donations. Pretty expensive sport and I suspect OSU gets some good donations from wealthy fathers making sure their darling daughter has a place on the team. Yeah ... but there's no rule that you are only allowed to recruit players from your own state!
I hear Texas has a lot of talent ...
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