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Post by bbg95 on Sept 14, 2022 21:19:22 GMT -5
So I haven't been paying that much attention to the MVP race, but I hope the Shohei proponents have better arguments than this: Bruh really just made up a stat combining homers and games started as a pitcher to try to discredit Judge, lol. And he's a baseball "analyst" with a blue check! How did he come up with Shoheiβs 58 home runs? The stat is confusing. He's combining Ohtani's 34 home runs with his 24 games started as a pitcher to get to 58. Which is ridiculous.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 14, 2022 21:23:37 GMT -5
Ohtani has 34 HRs. That's really good. But 34 != 58.Oh, I see. He's saying 34 HRs + 24 games started = 58. Yes, but it's a completely ridiculous stat. Since we're comparing a full-time hitter to a hitter/pitcher, we have to rely on stats like WAR even more than usual: Judge: 9.0 non-pitching WAR Ohtani: 3.3 non-pitching WAR, 4.8 pitching WAR, 8.1 total WAR Also, games started as a pitcher is not a particularly meaningful stat. There are pitchers who have a lot of starts and terrible ERA. Ohtani is having a very good season that would be worthy of winning the MVP in a number of years. But Judge is having an even better season.
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Post by nowhereman on Sept 14, 2022 21:53:48 GMT -5
Shohei Ohtani vs. Aaron Judge: Who Deserves the AL MVP? I think Judge will win. He has 20 more home runs than anyone else in baseball, he's leading the majors in WAR, and he's on a playoff team, unlike Ohtani. I know the baseball writers don't weigh team success as heavily as they used to, but I think it's still a small factor, and Judge has the edge stats-wise anyway. judge. the case is open and shut. bad pun intended.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 14, 2022 22:41:48 GMT -5
I think Judge will win. He has 20 more home runs than anyone else in baseball, he's leading the majors in WAR, and he's on a playoff team, unlike Ohtani. I know the baseball writers don't weigh team success as heavily as they used to, but I think it's still a small factor, and Judge has the edge stats-wise anyway. judge. the case is open and shut. bad pun intended. I agree that Judge will win. And the more I think about it, the more I think that perhaps team success should factor in a bit more than it has in recent years, especially if the cases are close. There's more to sports than just physically performing--there's a mental element too. And I think there is significantly more pressure to perform on a player in a playoff race than one who is playing out the string. I'm not against someone from a non-playoff team winning per se. But I think performing under pressure is something that should at least be considered, and Judge has had to deal with that much more than Ohtani.
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 14, 2022 22:46:03 GMT -5
So I haven't been paying that much attention to the MVP race, but I hope the Shohei proponents have better arguments than this: Bruh really just made up a stat combining homers and games started as a pitcher to try to discredit Judge, lol. And he's a baseball "analyst" with a blue check! I don't think a lot of folks will give that argument a lot of weight. Nor do I think a lot of Shohei supporters using that kind of argument, they are not. Its ok to say Judges will win the AL MVP. But one should not put down Shohei or their supporters. Shohei is a once-in-a-generation player, period.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 15, 2022 0:05:08 GMT -5
So I haven't been paying that much attention to the MVP race, but I hope the Shohei proponents have better arguments than this: Bruh really just made up a stat combining homers and games started as a pitcher to try to discredit Judge, lol. And he's a baseball "analyst" with a blue check! I don't think a lot of folks will give that argument a lot of weight. Nor do I think a lot of Shohei supporters using that kind of argument, they are not. Its ok to say Judges will win the AL MVP. But one should not put down Shohei or their supporters. Shohei is a once-in-a-generation player, period. So looking online in the last couple hours, unfortunately, I think this kind of sentiment is fairly common among the Shohei proponents. Most people aren't making comments as dumb as this guy, but the general sentiment is that Shohei is doing things that have never been done in baseball (i.e. hitting and pitching well at the same time--this seems to be mostly true, as Babe Ruth's best pitching years were before he became a truly great hitter). And because of that, he has to be the MVP. I agree that he's having a great season. But Judge is having an even better season despite the face that he doesn't pitch. I'm not putting down Shohei at all. You can have a great season and still get beat out by someone who's better, and that's the situation we have now in my view. As for his supporters, I like Shohei and think he's great for the game. But if people are going to make up HR + GS stats to put forth dumb arguments, I'll call them out.
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Post by nowhereman on Sept 15, 2022 2:32:18 GMT -5
Looking at the format for the playoffs the wild card team with the best record and the worst of the three division winners get to host all three potential playoff games in the first round. Then the winners of those two series advance to play the two best division winners in best of 5.
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 15, 2022 19:54:47 GMT -5
I don't think a lot of folks will give that argument a lot of weight. Nor do I think a lot of Shohei supporters using that kind of argument, they are not. Its ok to say Judges will win the AL MVP. But one should not put down Shohei or their supporters. Shohei is a once-in-a-generation player, period. So looking online in the last couple hours, unfortunately, I think this kind of sentiment is fairly common among the Shohei proponents. Most people aren't making comments as dumb as this guy, but the general sentiment is that Shohei is doing things that have never been done in baseball (i.e. hitting and pitching well at the same time--this seems to be mostly true, as Babe Ruth's best pitching years were before he became a truly great hitter). And because of that, he has to be the MVP. I agree that he's having a great season. But Judge is having an even better season despite the face that he doesn't pitch. I'm not putting down Shohei at all. You can have a great season and still get beat out by someone who's better, and that's the situation we have now in my view. As for his supporters, I like Shohei and think he's great for the game. But if people are going to make up HR + GS stats to put forth dumb arguments, I'll call them out. Hmmm...maybe, but I am a little reluctant to say a majority of Shohei supporters think like that without some statistics to show a trend.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 15, 2022 21:11:08 GMT -5
So looking online in the last couple hours, unfortunately, I think this kind of sentiment is fairly common among the Shohei proponents. Most people aren't making comments as dumb as this guy, but the general sentiment is that Shohei is doing things that have never been done in baseball (i.e. hitting and pitching well at the same time--this seems to be mostly true, as Babe Ruth's best pitching years were before he became a truly great hitter). And because of that, he has to be the MVP. I agree that he's having a great season. But Judge is having an even better season despite the face that he doesn't pitch. I'm not putting down Shohei at all. You can have a great season and still get beat out by someone who's better, and that's the situation we have now in my view. As for his supporters, I like Shohei and think he's great for the game. But if people are going to make up HR + GS stats to put forth dumb arguments, I'll call them out. Hmmm...maybe, but I am a little reluctant to say a majority of Shohei supporters think like that without some statistics to show a trend. I'm not saying a majority. I'm only going by what I saw on Twitter, and it wasn't rare to see this kind of argument. In some ways, I kind of understand it. If the case was made purely based on their everyday player stats, it wouldn't even be close. Judge would win by a mile. Obviously, it would be unfair to ignore that Shohei pitches as well, but it seems that even when factoring that in, Judge is still in the lead. But some of the Shohei proponents seem unwilling to accept that.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 19, 2022 19:29:11 GMT -5
Aaron Judge hit home runs 58 and 59 on Sunday. He's one away from Ruth and two away from Maris with 16 games left.
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Post by akbar on Sept 21, 2022 6:47:23 GMT -5
Aaron Judge hit home runs 58 and 59 on Sunday. He's one away from Ruth and two away from Maris with 16 games left.Β 60 and he leads in every major category and on pace to win the triple crown .....and still writers argued as of the past couple weeks he should finish 2nd in the MVP . πππππ
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 21, 2022 9:01:46 GMT -5
Aaron Judge hit home runs 58 and 59 on Sunday. He's one away from Ruth and two away from Maris with 16 games left. 60 and he leads in every major category and on pace to win the triple crown .....and still writers argued as of the past couple weeks he should finish 2nd in the MVP . πππππ It doesn't make any sense. Judge is also ahead in WAR, and he's on a playoff team, not one that has been playing out the string for months.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 21, 2022 9:30:00 GMT -5
The new talking point for the Shohei proponents seems to be that he only takes up one roster spot. That has to be the first time I've ever seen roster spots used as an argument in an MVP race. That extra spot hasn't seemed to help the Angels that much. The extra roster slot basically means they can have 27 players instead of 26. Based on the WAR totals for each player on the roster, it looks like their 27th-most valuable player had 0.1 WAR. Congrats. I don't think that really moves the needle when Judge is leading what seems like a million offensive categories and is carrying a playoff team.
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So the argument for Judge is that he's leading the league in about a million offensive categories, including WAR, for a first-place team. The argument for Ohtani is that no one else bats and pitches at the same time, and he saves the Angels a roster spot that is worth about 0.1 WAR on a bad team. This is not close.
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Post by jayj79 on Sept 22, 2022 11:10:34 GMT -5
So the Cardinals have gone 27 innings without scoring a run, and 43 innings without recording an RBI/earned run. ugh. (0-1 L at SD on 9/21; 0-5 L at SD on 9/20; 0-3 L vs. Cincy on 9/18; 1-0 W vs. Cincy on the 2nd game on 9/17 with the only run scored on a throwing error in the 11th inning; last earned run was scored via a HR in the 3rd inning of the first game on 9/17 which they won 5-1 but were held scoreless for the last 5.5 innings of that game)
We'll see how long the slump continues in their day game to close out the San Diego series this afternoon.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 22, 2022 13:02:20 GMT -5
The new talking point for the Shohei proponents seems to be that he only takes up one roster spot. Every player takes up only one roster spot.
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