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Post by nowhereman on Oct 5, 2022 16:01:56 GMT -5
Pujols was more like Aaron -- no big peak year, but lots and lots of years with 30-49 HRs. The only year in his 22-yr career that Pujols had fewer than 10 HR was the short 2020 season when he was already 40 years old. He averaged about 32 HRs per year. 7 years of 40+ homers (with the highest being 49 in 2006); 7 years of 30-37 HRs; 4 years of 23-28 HRs, 3 years of 17-19 HRs, and 2020 (6 HRs) That's just pretty darn consistent.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 5, 2022 16:18:03 GMT -5
Maris's record was reviled for a long time, because a) he dared to break Ruth's record, and b) he set it in the very first season where they played 162 games. A lot of people thought it was just an artifact of playing more games, but actually it held up longer than Ruth's 60 had held up. It was finally busted in a 3-way battle between McGwire, Sosa, and Griffey in 1998. (Both McGwire and Sosa got into the 60s. Griffey ended up with 56, which he also had hit in 1997.) Of those three, Griffey is the only one who never was found to be using steroids, and is the only one of those three in the HOF. (McGwire admitted to using steroids, Sosa denied it but reportedly had tested positive, and it's never been alleged that Griffey ever used them. Sosa also had an embarrassing incident in 2003 where his bat broke during a game, and that revealed that the bat had been illegally modified.) By 1998, the feelings about Maris's record had mostly turned around, and at that point (almost 40 years after he set it) people looked at it as legitimate. After Bonds blew it apart with 73 in 2001, people started coming full circle and claiming that Maris's record was the true legitimate record, and that Sosa, McGwire, and Bonds shouldn't count because of the steroid use. Only Maris, Judge, McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds have hit more than 60 HRs in a season. Eight more players have hit between 55 and 60. Interestingly, Hank Aaron never hit 50 HRs in a season, but he had a eight seasons in the 40s, and between 1957 and 1973 he only had two seasons where he hit fewer than 30. This is mostly right, but technically, Ruth's 154-game record stood longer than Maris' 162-game record. It wasn't until McGwire in 1998 that someone hit more than 60 home runs in 154 games. I didn't really agree with dropping an asterisk on Maris because that wasn't his fault, but still.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 5, 2022 16:44:04 GMT -5
Maris's record was reviled for a long time, because a) he dared to break Ruth's record, and b) he set it in the very first season where they played 162 games. A lot of people thought it was just an artifact of playing more games, but actually it held up longer than Ruth's 60 had held up. It was finally busted in a 3-way battle between McGwire, Sosa, and Griffey in 1998. (Both McGwire and Sosa got into the 60s. Griffey ended up with 56, which he also had hit in 1997.) Of those three, Griffey is the only one who never was found to be using steroids, and is the only one of those three in the HOF. (McGwire admitted to using steroids, Sosa denied it but reportedly had tested positive, and it's never been alleged that Griffey ever used them. Sosa also had an embarrassing incident in 2003 where his bat broke during a game, and that revealed that the bat had been illegally modified.) By 1998, the feelings about Maris's record had mostly turned around, and at that point (almost 40 years after he set it) people looked at it as legitimate. After Bonds blew it apart with 73 in 2001, people started coming full circle and claiming that Maris's record was the true legitimate record, and that Sosa, McGwire, and Bonds shouldn't count because of the steroid use. Only Maris, Judge, McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds have hit more than 60 HRs in a season. Eight more players have hit between 55 and 60. Interestingly, Hank Aaron never hit 50 HRs in a season, but he had a eight seasons in the 40s, and between 1957 and 1973 he only had two seasons where he hit fewer than 30. This is mostly right, but technically, Ruth's 154-game record stood longer than Maris' 162-game record. It wasn't until McGwire in 1998 that someone hit more than 60 home runs in 154 games. I didn't really agree with dropping an asterisk on Maris because that wasn't his fault, but still. The record we are discussing is the "single season" record. I don't think there has ever been an official "154-game record", although as I said, a lot of people were butthurt over Maris breaking Ruth's record the first year he had those 8 extra games to do it in. There also has never officially been an asterisk. Again that was mainly just people who were pissed that Ruth's record was broken.
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 5, 2022 17:01:35 GMT -5
Perhaps all collegiate "career records" set by athletes making use of the "covid year" to have a 5th season of competition should get asterisks
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 5, 2022 17:13:18 GMT -5
This is mostly right, but technically, Ruth's 154-game record stood longer than Maris' 162-game record. It wasn't until McGwire in 1998 that someone hit more than 60 home runs in 154 games. I didn't really agree with dropping an asterisk on Maris because that wasn't his fault, but still. The record we are discussing is the "single season" record. I don't think there has ever been an official "154-game record", although as I said, a lot of people were butthurt over Maris breaking Ruth's record the first year he had those 8 extra games to do it in. There also has never officially been an asterisk. Again that was mainly just people who were pissed that Ruth's record was broken. Did baseball not officially list both records for a while? That was the impression I was always under. At any rate, the home run record belongs to Bonds. The record we are discussing right now is the AL single-season home run record, since Bonds, McGwire and Sosa all played in the NL.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 5, 2022 17:18:41 GMT -5
The record we are discussing is the "single season" record. I don't think there has ever been an official "154-game record", although as I said, a lot of people were butthurt over Maris breaking Ruth's record the first year he had those 8 extra games to do it in. There also has never officially been an asterisk. Again that was mainly just people who were pissed that Ruth's record was broken. Did baseball not officially list both records for a while? That was the impression I was always under. At any rate, the home run record belongs to Bonds. The record we are discussing right now is the AL single-season home run record, since Bonds, McGwire and Sosa all played in the NL. No. Lots of people suggested doing that, but baseball never gave it an asterisk or segregated it as a unique record. Of course people can track it themselves.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 5, 2022 17:24:21 GMT -5
OK, I need to backtrack.
There was never "an asterisk". But on July 17, 1961, (the middle of the season when Maris hit the 61 HR), Commissioner Ford Frick declared that Ruth's 154-game record would stand unless and until someone hit more than 60 in the first 154 games of a season.
In 1991 (after Maris had already died), Commissioner Fay Vincent declared that this had been unjust, and that there was no separate "154-game" record.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 5, 2022 18:02:03 GMT -5
OK, I need to backtrack. There was never "an asterisk". But on July 17, 1961, (the middle of the season when Maris hit the 61 HR), Commissioner Ford Frick declared that Ruth's 154-game record would stand unless and until someone hit more than 60 in the first 154 games of a season. In 1991 (after Maris had already died), Commissioner Fay Vincent declared that this had been unjust, and that there was no separate "154-game" record. All right, thanks for clarifying. At any rate, Judge has had an incredible season. He's currently a -10000 favorite to win the AL MVP.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 5, 2022 18:40:47 GMT -5
Well with closing day of the regular season any thoughts on the playoffs? We could have two wild cards in the world series. I don't see how six off days benefit the teams that don't have to play.
How about NY Mets against.............Cleveland....
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 5, 2022 18:47:17 GMT -5
We could have two wild cards in the world series. That's been a possibility since 1995.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 5, 2022 18:59:30 GMT -5
We could have two wild cards in the world series. That's been a possibility since 1995. Yes, but back then the division champs did not have byes.
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 5, 2022 20:53:10 GMT -5
I don't see how six off days benefit the teams that don't have to play. Are they going to forget how to play baseball in the course of a week? Or, you know, they could practice during that time off.
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Post by n00b on Oct 5, 2022 22:39:33 GMT -5
I went to the Mariners game today, and they must have had a big party last night or something, because we got the "we've already clinched" lineup of September callups and backup players. But they won anyway. have to admit i had a positive feeling after last night but cannot call it joy exactly, because for them NOT to qualify after the way MLB has watered down the playoff field would be a disgrace. is that the half empty take, sure it is, but when you consider that the longest mlb playoff absences now belong to the angels and tigers at eight years (2014) let's be real. after houston won in 2017 and washington (montreal) won in 2019 i thought the mariners making the world series in 2025 would be a reasonable prediction. they are right on schedule. they still need a few more pieces, er, batters. MLB still has fewer teams make the playoffs than the NBA, NHL, NFL, or MLS. Your lack of joy is a personal problem.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 5, 2022 23:14:57 GMT -5
have to admit i had a positive feeling after last night but cannot call it joy exactly, because for them NOT to qualify after the way MLB has watered down the playoff field would be a disgrace. is that the half empty take, sure it is, but when you consider that the longest mlb playoff absences now belong to the angels and tigers at eight years (2014) let's be real. after houston won in 2017 and washington (montreal) won in 2019 i thought the mariners making the world series in 2025 would be a reasonable prediction. they are right on schedule. they still need a few more pieces, er, batters. MLB still has fewer teams make the playoffs than the NBA, NHL, NFL, or MLS. Your lack of joy is a personal problem. whatever. I said I still felt positive. But overjoyed? No. To each his or her own.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 6, 2022 2:21:59 GMT -5
I don't see how six off days benefit the teams that don't have to play. Are they going to forget how to play baseball in the course of a week? Or, you know, they could practice during that time off. practice is no substitute for games. just look at the wacky games in the nfl the first month of the season. . teams are too concerned about their studs getting hurt in the preseason so they don't play at all. and i dont assume to be a know it all but based on the different rhythms of baseball compared to football i would guess that playing every day has its advantages.
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