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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 8, 2022 20:59:21 GMT -5
So many ex-Mariners in these other playoff games. Voglebach. Segura. Even Taijuan Walker just got added to a playoff roster.
Walker was actually traded away from the Mariners for Segura (and also Mitch Haniger, who is still on the Mariners).
My dad has Taijuan Walker's signature on the brim of his Mariners cap.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 8, 2022 21:27:04 GMT -5
So many ex-Mariners in these other playoff games. Voglebach. Segura. Even Taijuan Walker just got added to a playoff roster. Walker was actually traded away from the Mariners for Segura (and also Mitch Haniger, who is still on the Mariners). My dad has Taijuan Walker's signature on the brim of his Mariners cap. The life of a small-to-medium size market baseball fan. I'll never forget when Cleveland had consecutive Cy Young winners in CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee in 2007 and 2008 only to see them starting against each other in Game 1 of the 2009 World Series for the Yankees and Phillies, respectively. That was so disheartening.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 8, 2022 21:41:11 GMT -5
Seattle is not a small market. But the Mariners had a very long history of ownership that either wanted to spend no money or that actively wanted to move the team to another city. It was only after Nintendo's Yamauchi became the majority owner that the Mariners started acting like a mid-large market team.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 8, 2022 21:41:57 GMT -5
Seattle is not a small market. But the Mariners had a very long history of ownership that either wanted to spend no money or that actively wanted to move the team to another city. It was only after Nintendo's Yamauchi became the majority owner that the Mariners started acting like a mid-large market team. I said small to medium. They're 21st in MLB in payroll.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 8, 2022 21:45:04 GMT -5
Seattle is not a small market. But the Mariners had a very long history of ownership that either wanted to spend no money or that actively wanted to move the team to another city. It was only after Nintendo's Yamauchi became the majority owner that the Mariners started acting like a mid-large market team. h my friend told ne the mariners seem to have mastered the ability to suck and still make money....so it's nice to see them actually trying to win and doing so. i got to the point where i would go to the ballpark, but to see the visiting team.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 8, 2022 21:46:34 GMT -5
Seattle is not a small market. But the Mariners had a very long history of ownership that either wanted to spend no money or that actively wanted to move the team to another city. It was only after Nintendo's Yamauchi became the majority owner that the Mariners started acting like a mid-large market team. I said small to medium. They're 21st in MLB in payroll. Mostly because they are in the middle of an active "build from the ground up" rebuild. The Mariners have one of the larger markets in the MLB and had quite high payrolls for a long time from the mid-late 90s to about 2020, when they went all-in on this "build from scratch with locked up young players" strategy. (Something that worked really well for Houston and for Cleveland before that.)
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 8, 2022 21:47:47 GMT -5
At this point, I renew my call for a salary cap. In exchange, the owners could let the players get to free agency faster.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 8, 2022 21:52:40 GMT -5
I said small to medium. They're 21st in MLB in payroll. Mostly because they are in the middle of an active "build from the ground up" rebuild. The Mariners have one of the larger markets in the MLB and had quite high payrolls for a long time from the mid-late 90s to about 2020, when they went all-in on this "build from scratch with locked up young players" strategy. (Something that worked really well for Houston and for Cleveland before that.) All MLB markets are relatively large compared to all US cities. Even Milwaukee, the smallest MLB market, is 40th in metro area. Seattle is 15th in metro area, and considering that New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and the Bay Area all have two teams, that makes Seattle medium in size for MLB markets. Now, an owner of a small market team can still spend big if they want to. Daniel Snyder for the Cleveland Cavaliers during the LeBron 2.0 era comes to mind. But still.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 8, 2022 21:53:21 GMT -5
And oh yeah, Edwin Diaz. Another ex-Mariner. Part of the sell-off when they decided to go for assembling a young team that they would build from scratch, even though Diaz was at the time a young player himself. But he had a lot of trade value to get a bunch of prospects in return.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 8, 2022 21:56:46 GMT -5
Mostly because they are in the middle of an active "build from the ground up" rebuild. The Mariners have one of the larger markets in the MLB and had quite high payrolls for a long time from the mid-late 90s to about 2020, when they went all-in on this "build from scratch with locked up young players" strategy. (Something that worked really well for Houston and for Cleveland before that.) All MLB markets are relatively large compared to all US cities. Even Milwaukee, the smallest MLB market, is 40th in metro area. Seattle is 15th in metro area, and considering that New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and the Bay Area all have two teams, that makes Seattle medium in size for MLB markets. But Seattle's baseball market covers Alaska, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and (to some extent) British Columbia (although they often identify more with Toronto). It's more than just Seattle. That's the upside of being so geographically isolated from any other MLB team. (The downside is that they always have *way* higher travel hours per year than any other team.)
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 8, 2022 21:58:59 GMT -5
All MLB markets are relatively large compared to all US cities. Even Milwaukee, the smallest MLB market, is 40th in metro area. Seattle is 15th in metro area, and considering that New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and the Bay Area all have two teams, that makes Seattle medium in size for MLB markets. But Seattle's baseball market covers Alaska, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and (to some extent) British Columbia (although they often identify more with Toronto). It's more than just Seattle. That's the upside of being so geographically isolated from any other MLB team. (The downside is that they always have *way* higher travel hours per year than any other team.) I guess that's a reasonable point. I'm not sure I totally buy it, but I can see where you're coming from.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 8, 2022 22:32:48 GMT -5
As for Cleveland, I've been indifferent toward them since they changed their name. I didn't have a problem with changing the name per se. I just thought that "Guardians" is lame and ranks them DFL among MLB teams in the team name power rankings. I wish they had gone with something cooler like Warriors or Knights or any number of other possibilities. Hell, I would have even been okay with the Cleveland Baseball Team. Guardians is so uninspired. But...watching them blow a bases-loaded no-out situation in today's game and how angry I was by it...I still care about this team. I've made my peace, and at least they didn't go with Spiders, which was a suggestion that too many MLB writers were trotting out. Like sure, let's name them after the worst team in the history of baseball that wasn't even the same organization. Great idea by these Mensa candidates in the BBWAA. And it's better than the Washington Commanders, I guess.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 8, 2022 22:54:34 GMT -5
As for Cleveland, I've been indifferent toward them since they changed their name. I didn't have a problem with changing the name per se. I just thought that "Guardians" is lame and ranks them DFL among MLB teams in the team name power rankings. I wish they had gone with something cooler like Warriors or Knights or any number of other possibilities. Hell, I would have even been okay with the Cleveland Baseball Team. Guardians is so uninspired. But...watching them blow a bases-loaded no-out situation in today's game and how angry I was by it...I still care about this team. I've made my peace, and at least they didn't go with Spiders, which was a suggestion that too many MLB writers were trotting out. Like sure, let's name them after the worst team in the history of baseball that wasn't even the same organization. Great idea by these Mensa candidates in the BBWAA. And it's better than the Washington Commanders, I guess. phillies won! like the mariners against the astros they may be overmatched against atlanta. and thank you to albert pujols for a fantastic career and at least providing some thrills when the angels came to seattle. philsophically i agree with the name change but i still find myself googling "indians score". their name may have changed but they still have a pretty good history and players from nap lajoie, teis speaker, shoeless joe jackson, larry doby, bob feller and satchel paige to albert belle, carlos baerga, jim thome and sandy alomar, jr. really glad they knocked out tampa bay.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 8, 2022 22:59:50 GMT -5
As for Cleveland, I've been indifferent toward them since they changed their name. I didn't have a problem with changing the name per se. I just thought that "Guardians" is lame and ranks them DFL among MLB teams in the team name power rankings. I wish they had gone with something cooler like Warriors or Knights or any number of other possibilities. Hell, I would have even been okay with the Cleveland Baseball Team. Guardians is so uninspired. But...watching them blow a bases-loaded no-out situation in today's game and how angry I was by it...I still care about this team. I've made my peace, and at least they didn't go with Spiders, which was a suggestion that too many MLB writers were trotting out. Like sure, let's name them after the worst team in the history of baseball that wasn't even the same organization. Great idea by these Mensa candidates in the BBWAA. And it's better than the Washington Commanders, I guess. phillies won! like the mariners against the astros they may be overmatched against atlanta. and thank you to albert pujols for a fantastic career and at least providing some thrills when the angels came to seattle. philsophically i agree with the name change but i still find myself googling "indians score". their name may have changed but they still have a pretty good history and players from nap lajoie, teis speaker, shoeless joe jackson, larry doby, bob feller and satchel paige to albert belle, carlos baerga, jim thome and sandy alomar, jr. really glad they knocked out tampa bay. Yeah, I became a fan of the Albert Belle/Jim Thome/Manny Ramirez teams of the mid-1990s, and now I'm stuck with them. There have been enormous heartbreaks in 1995, 1997, 2007 and 2016, but they're my team. And my other pro teams (Steelers, Penguins and Bulls--I didn't grow up in areas that had pro sports teams, so I just had to pick some on my own) have provided me with enough championships to be satisfied. I just need Cleveland to win the World Series once. And hey, they always win in Major League (my favorite comedy and my favorite sports movie), which I watch every year when they're eliminated.
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 8, 2022 23:19:49 GMT -5
As for Cleveland, I've been indifferent toward them since they changed their name. I didn't have a problem with changing the name per se. I just thought that "Guardians" is lame and ranks them DFL among MLB teams in the team name power rankings. it isn't any lamer than teams that name themselves after the hue of their hosiery.
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