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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 3, 2023 7:31:57 GMT -5
The new rules are awesome. MLB just needs to make it easier to watch games on TV. They have really screwed the TV viewing up in several markets.
BTW - the new CBA was huge for baseball. Previously all rule changes had to be approved by the players and owners. This is a terrible way to run the game - as no one is looking out for the best interest of the game. As a result - baseball went roughly 50 years without any impactful rule changes. This caused the game to evolve in negative ways - it became longer, less action, more K's - the game became less interesting. Now - rule changes like what they did this year can be done w/o the player association approval - the players would never have approved of a pitch clock.
The NFL got this right - they change rules EVERY year. It doesn't look that noticeable each year and more incremental. The NFL was doing 50 year's of rule changes to make the game more entertaining and better, while baseball was stuck with the same rules that were getting exploited over time and hurting the game.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 3, 2023 10:06:30 GMT -5
The new rules are awesome. MLB just needs to make it easier to watch games on TV. They have really screwed the TV viewing up in several markets. BTW - the new CBA was huge for baseball. Previously all rule changes had to be approved by the players and owners. This is a terrible way to run the game - as no one is looking out for the best interest of the game. As a result - baseball went roughly 50 years without any impactful rule changes. This caused the game to evolve in negative ways - it became longer, less action, more K's - the game became less interesting. Now - rule changes like what they did this year can be done w/o the player association approval - the players would never have approved of a pitch clock. The NFL got this right - they change rules EVERY year. It doesn't look that noticeable each year and more incremental. The NFL was doing 50 year's of rule changes to make the game more entertaining and better, while baseball was stuck with the same rules that were getting exploited over time and hurting the game. Yeah, the pitch clock is something that should have been adopted 20 years ago. Your point about the NFL is interesting, and I agree. There are still problems with football, but the league is more on top of making adjustments. I think the NHL has done the same. I remember that Sean Avery was doing something rather obnoxious by waving his stick in a goalie's face, which wasn't technically illegal, and the NHL banned it like the next day. The NHL also made the game way better by neutering the neutral zone trap that was ruining the game. And as painful as the canceled season was, the salary cap also greatly improved the game. On the other side, I think the NBA has actually made rule changes that have made the game significantly worse, which is why I no longer watch.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:30:05 GMT -5
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Post by Mocha on Apr 3, 2023 18:30:05 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 5, 2023 17:44:43 GMT -5
Ohtani became the first person to get hit with pitch clock violations as both a hitter and a pitcher in the same game.
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Post by nowhereman on Apr 13, 2023 14:43:52 GMT -5
Why does Tampa even have a major league team? They are in first place undefeated kicking butt and for a draw like the Red Sox they could only draw 12,649 on Tuesday night.
I think giving places that already have spring training - Arizona and Florida - major league teams - was a mistake and the attendance figures back that up. In 2022 Arizona ranked 21, Tampa 28 and Miami 29.
Previous years attendance:
2018: Arizona 16, Tampa Bay 29, Miami 30 2019: Arizona 17, Tampa Bay 29, Miami 30 2021: Arizona 24, Tampa Bay 28, Miami 30
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 13, 2023 15:04:20 GMT -5
Why does Tampa even have a major league team? They are in first place undefeated kicking butt and for a draw like the Red Sox they could only draw 12,649 on Tuesday night. I think giving places that already have spring training - Arizona and Florida - major league teams - was a mistake and the attendance figures back that up. In 2022 Arizona ranked 21, Tampa 28 and Miami 29. Previous years attendance: 2018: Arizona 16, Tampa Bay 29, Miami 30 2019: Arizona 17, Tampa Bay 29, Miami 30 2021: Arizona 24, Tampa Bay 28, Miami 30 Arizona has shown they will draw attendance when they have a winning team. Oakland and Tampa Bay are in a class by themselves in not supporting a winning team. Miami - could be in that class, but their ownership has been so awful it is hard to know for sure.? Maybe the biggest issue for both Oakland and Tampa Bay may be their stadium. Tropicana Field is the perfect location if the intent was to the worst attendance possible. I would be curious if a new stadium and a good location would make a difference? Anyway - what a start by the Rays.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 13, 2023 19:27:38 GMT -5
Why does Tampa even have a major league team? That is a long story. IIRC, White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf encouraged Tampa Bay to build an MLB stadium. He apparently promised that he would either move the White Sox there or get some other team there. He did threaten to move the White Sox there if Chicago would not build him a new stadium, but they did. Then he got a friend of his, Jeff Smulyan, to buy the Seattle Mariners. Within a few years, Smulyan announced plans to move the Mariners to Tampa Bay, but his lease on the Kingdome required that he attempt to seek local buyers first. A group was found (with the majority of the money coming from Hiroshi Yamauchi), and eventually Smulyan agreed to sell the Mariners. Then MLB had an expansion, and there were two competing ownership groups who tried to get a club for the Tampa Bay area, but neither was selected (Miami and Denver were selected). Then Vince Naimoli negotiated a deal to buy the San Francisco Giants and move them to Tampa, but MLB blocked the sale. He sued, and part of the settlement was that they gave him a new expansion franchise. He was going to name the team the Tampa Bay Sting Rays, but a minor league team from Maui already had the name Sting Rays. He could have bought the name for only $35K, but instead he went with Devil Rays. That turned out to be disliked, and ultimately they are now just the Rays.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 13, 2023 21:09:17 GMT -5
Why does Tampa even have a major league team? That is a long story. IIRC, White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf encouraged Tampa Bay to build an MLB stadium. He apparently promised that he would either move the White Sox there or get some other team there. He did threaten to move the White Sox there if Chicago would not build him a new stadium, but they did. Then he got a friend of his, Jeff Smulyan, to buy the Seattle Mariners. Within a few years, Smulyan announced plans to move the Mariners to Tampa Bay, but his lease on the Kingdome required that he attempt to seek local buyers first. A group was found (with the majority of the money coming from Hiroshi Yamauchi), and eventually Smulyan agreed to sell the Mariners. Then MLB had an expansion, and there were two competing ownership groups who tried to get a club for the Tampa Bay area, but neither was selected (Miami and Denver were selected). Then Vince Naimoli negotiated a deal to buy the San Francisco Giants and move them to Tampa, but MLB blocked the sale. He sued, and part of the settlement was that they gave him a new expansion franchise. He was going to name the team the Tampa Bay Sting Rays, but a minor league team from Maui already had the name Sting Rays. He could have bought the name for only $35K, but instead he went with Devil Rays. That turned out to be disliked, and ultimately they are now just the Rays. That was an interesting history lesson. I didn't know most of that.
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Apr 13, 2023 23:29:49 GMT -5
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Post by Mocha on Apr 13, 2023 23:29:49 GMT -5
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 14, 2023 6:35:10 GMT -5
Crazy that multiple owners have wanted to move to Tampa Bay.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 14, 2023 9:08:59 GMT -5
Crazy that multiple owners have wanted to move to Tampa Bay. Naimoli was a long-time resident of Tampa. Not strange that he wanted a team in his own home town. Jerry Reinsdorf is the other main connection in the story. He seems to primarily have used Tampa as leverage to get concessions from Chicago, but he did supposedly talk Jeff Smulyan into buying the Mariners in order to move them to Tampa.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 14, 2023 10:46:34 GMT -5
Crazy that multiple owners have wanted to move to Tampa Bay. Naimoli was a long-time resident of Tampa. Not strange that he wanted a team in his own home town. Jerry Reinsdorf is the other main connection in the story. He seems to primarily have used Tampa as leverage to get concessions from Chicago, but he did supposedly talk Jeff Smulyan into buying the Mariners in order to move them to Tampa. I recognize home town aspect and using Tampa to get concessions, but to actually move a team there sounds like a financial loser (but then - seeing what happened with the Washington NFL team, not sure there is any place an owner would actually lose money - even in baseball).
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Post by nowhereman on Apr 14, 2023 22:35:25 GMT -5
The streak is over....Blue Jays beat Rays 6-3. Now any time you win 13 in a row it's pretty darn good but it gets noticed a lot more either at the beginning or end of the season, but even one in the middle of the season counts all the same in the standings.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 20, 2023 15:12:19 GMT -5
The A's are moving to Las Vegas by 2027. So Las Vegas went from having no pro teams in 2017 to having NHL, NFL and MLB teams within a decade.
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Apr 20, 2023 16:24:49 GMT -5
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Post by nowhereman on Apr 20, 2023 16:24:49 GMT -5
The A's are moving to Las Vegas by 2027. So Las Vegas went from having no pro teams in 2017 to now having NHL, NFL and MLB within a decade. Wow indeed. Would have been awesome if they could have stayed in Oakland but fewer than 10000 fans a game isn't going to cut it. So charlie Finley's "mistake" will be undone.
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