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Post by jcvball22 on Jun 12, 2023 15:41:23 GMT -5
As a collegiate coach, it blows me away to see how many many high school volleyball players turn down athletic scholarship offers that are anywhere from 100%-50% paid for. Their parents pay large amounts of money for them to compete in a club in order for their child to get noticed by colleges & hopefully recruited. I have had high school players turn down a scholarship offer from me, only to state with their next breath that they are going to "focus on academics & not play volleyball in college". Is college free now? If not, who is paying for their tuition? How can someone turn down a FREE, or almost free, college education when that is exactly what their parents have been investing in their club team for all of those years? I often wonder if these players who are turning down free scholarship money, are even including their parents in the recruiting process. I don't know any parent who would spend $10,000-20,000 on club fees alone + travel costs over four years, who would be okay with their child declining FREE money. I'm not sure how many parents are okay with spending $10,000-50,000 a year for college when they could have paid a fraction of that, or any at all, if their child would have accepted the athletic scholarship & understood what it meant to be talented enough to have college paid for, or at least partially paid for. I had one player tell me that she was planning to go to a big-name college on a partial academic scholarship, but that she was going to participate in "intramural volleyball". Her parents will have to fork over close to $150,000 for her to play intramural volleyball when they could have paid almost nothing for her to play collegiate volleyball. Again, it's hard to believe that these high school players are involving their parents 100% in the recruiting process. Perhaps parents need to have an honest conversation with their child about why they are willing to invest thousands & thousands into their club. Bottomline, is that they want their child to get a scholarship offer (or multiple offers) & not so their child can walk away from volleyball & have their parents pick up the college bill. That's why so many coaches look overseas for players, because international kids jump at the chance of playing collegiate volleyball in the United States. Kids here can't seem to put down Tik Tok long enough to understand the gravity of the opportunities they have right in front of them. It's truly a sad state of affairs. Woooooo boy. I can't even begin to express the myriad of ways this post is terrible. If only you had said what school you're at so I can make absolutely sure to NEVER send a kid there.... |
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Post by westie13 on Jun 12, 2023 16:00:10 GMT -5
As a collegiate coach, it blows me away to see how many many high school volleyball players turn down athletic scholarship offers that are anywhere from 100%-50% paid for. Their parents pay large amounts of money for them to compete in a club in order for their child to get noticed by colleges & hopefully recruited. I have had high school players turn down a scholarship offer from me, only to state with their next breath that they are going to "focus on academics & not play volleyball in college". Is college free now? If not, who is paying for their tuition? How can someone turn down a FREE, or almost free, college education when that is exactly what their parents have been investing in their club team for all of those years? I often wonder if these players who are turning down free scholarship money, are even including their parents in the recruiting process. I don't know any parent who would spend $10,000-20,000 on club fees alone + travel costs over four years, who would be okay with their child declining FREE money. I'm not sure how many parents are okay with spending $10,000-50,000 a year for college when they could have paid a fraction of that, or any at all, if their child would have accepted the athletic scholarship & understood what it meant to be talented enough to have college paid for, or at least partially paid for. I had one player tell me that she was planning to go to a big-name college on a partial academic scholarship, but that she was going to participate in "intramural volleyball". Her parents will have to fork over close to $150,000 for her to play intramural volleyball when they could have paid almost nothing for her to play collegiate volleyball. Again, it's hard to believe that these high school players are involving their parents 100% in the recruiting process. Perhaps parents need to have an honest conversation with their child about why they are willing to invest thousands & thousands into their club. Bottomline, is that they want their child to get a scholarship offer (or multiple offers) & not so their child can walk away from volleyball & have their parents pick up the college bill. That's why so many coaches look overseas for players, because international kids jump at the chance of playing collegiate volleyball in the United States. Kids here can't seem to put down Tik Tok long enough to understand the gravity of the opportunities they have right in front of them. It's truly a sad state of affairs. Wow…it’s not hard to understand why players say no to you. |
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Post by vbtalk on Jun 12, 2023 18:44:48 GMT -5
As a collegiate coach, it blows me away to see how many many high school volleyball players turn down athletic scholarship offers that are anywhere from 100%-50% paid for. Their parents pay large amounts of money for them to compete in a club in order for their child to get noticed by colleges & hopefully recruited. I have had high school players turn down a scholarship offer from me, only to state with their next breath that they are going to "focus on academics & not play volleyball in college". Is college free now? If not, who is paying for their tuition? How can someone turn down a FREE, or almost free, college education when that is exactly what their parents have been investing in their club team for all of those years? I often wonder if these players who are turning down free scholarship money, are even including their parents in the recruiting process. I don't know any parent who would spend $10,000-20,000 on club fees alone + travel costs over four years, who would be okay with their child declining FREE money. I'm not sure how many parents are okay with spending $10,000-50,000 a year for college when they could have paid a fraction of that, or any at all, if their child would have accepted the athletic scholarship & understood what it meant to be talented enough to have college paid for, or at least partially paid for. I had one player tell me that she was planning to go to a big-name college on a partial academic scholarship, but that she was going to participate in "intramural volleyball". Her parents will have to fork over close to $150,000 for her to play intramural volleyball when they could have paid almost nothing for her to play collegiate volleyball. Again, it's hard to believe that these high school players are involving their parents 100% in the recruiting process. Perhaps parents need to have an honest conversation with their child about why they are willing to invest thousands & thousands into their club. Bottomline, is that they want their child to get a scholarship offer (or multiple offers) & not so their child can walk away from volleyball & have their parents pick up the college bill. That's why so many coaches look overseas for players, because international kids jump at the chance of playing collegiate volleyball in the United States. Kids here can't seem to put down Tik Tok long enough to understand the gravity of the opportunities they have right in front of them. It's truly a sad state of affairs. It’s also possible parents aren’t just paying for club volleyball as an investment towards a college scholarship. It’s possible they are paying for the lessons sports teach us. It’s possible they’re paying for the time in the car with their daughter or son on the way to and from practices or tournaments. It’s possible they’re paying for an activity that boosts their kids’ self esteem, gives them something to do other than (in your estimation) tik tok. It’s also possible these same kids are lying to you and just don’t want to play for you because you clearly believe they owe you something. That you deleted your account gives me some hope for your current student athletes. At least you realized how crappy your attitude seems to the rest of us. Best of luck to you getting back to a point of coaching for the kids, rather than for yourself. |
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Post by veebznerd on Jun 13, 2023 19:00:34 GMT -5
So how did the main recruiting year turn out? It's almost time for the '25s to join the race. Did your '24 find a home? I always enjoyed your posts regarding your family's process. Thank you for checking in and for asking. My '24 is still not committed. I have a whole new perspective on the NFL draft pick they bring to the broadcast and then the slide starts and for some reason, it just continues. That's really been our last year. Its been a series of unbelievably bad luck situationally and we made a huge mistake on our club team choice and daughter didn't play much. It seems like with coaches, it doesn't matter what you've done in years past or where you ended on their list last year, it all sort of starts over the next year so there was no clout carryover from her past work or the stature/ranking of her current team. So many times we missed out to other players that were just playing more and I get it. I understood very single situation where it didn't work out and can see it from the coaches side so I can't be angry at them (with just a few exceptions  . I would also say that we got saved from ourselves more than a handful of times as well. I can't tell you the number of near misses that happened that would have been disasters for various reasons had they worked out, so i'm grateful there. We've learned a ton and my daughter's perspective and our perspective as a family has changed dramatically. We see the entire process so differently now and have, what i think, is a much healthier perspective on where this should fit as a priority in our family and the place it should occupy in our daughter's life. We are very optimistic. She has several visits that are paired with camps with some amazing schools and opportunities with the kind of staffs we have been looking for this entire time. My daughter is going to play on an AAU team that really leans into her strengths as a player so she should be able to build some film and real life court time for this season. I wouldn't trade the process for anything...but I wouldn't ever do it again. It's been harder than I ever imagined it would be, but I've had the blessing of watching my daughter grow, mature and really turn the corner towards adulthood while she was here at our house, with a support system rather than learning many of these lessons somewhere else. If anything, it has strengthened her resolve to want to play and to respect the privilege of playing and I've seen it reflected in the growth of her dedication, work ethic but it has also further reinforced that she wants to have standards and things she won't compromise. Thank you again for asking and I'm willing to share anything from the process. I'm hoping we get across the finish line in the next month or so. It sounds like y'all have learned a lot and will be better for it. There is no doubt that making the wrong decision is much worse than waiting until you are given the right opportunity. I've known a lot of college players that have found out too late what making the wrong choice does to one's health and happiness. And getting an education is foremost for 90% of these kids because very few will make a career out of volleyball. You have to want to be at the school for more than just volleyball. The location, size, academic programs, campus feel, etc are all really important factors to take in to account. I hope your daughter has a great showing at AAUs and has good experience at her camps/visits. Let us know how everything goes. Sending good vibes and prayers your way! |
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Post by veebznerd on Jun 13, 2023 19:05:57 GMT -5
As a collegiate coach, it blows me away to see how many many high school volleyball players turn down athletic scholarship offers that are anywhere from 100%-50% paid for. Their parents pay large amounts of money for them to compete in a club in order for their child to get noticed by colleges & hopefully recruited. I have had high school players turn down a scholarship offer from me, only to state with their next breath that they are going to "focus on academics & not play volleyball in college". Is college free now? If not, who is paying for their tuition? How can someone turn down a FREE, or almost free, college education when that is exactly what their parents have been investing in their club team for all of those years? I often wonder if these players who are turning down free scholarship money, are even including their parents in the recruiting process. I don't know any parent who would spend $10,000-20,000 on club fees alone + travel costs over four years, who would be okay with their child declining FREE money. I'm not sure how many parents are okay with spending $10,000-50,000 a year for college when they could have paid a fraction of that, or any at all, if their child would have accepted the athletic scholarship & understood what it meant to be talented enough to have college paid for, or at least partially paid for. I had one player tell me that she was planning to go to a big-name college on a partial academic scholarship, but that she was going to participate in "intramural volleyball". Her parents will have to fork over close to $150,000 for her to play intramural volleyball when they could have paid almost nothing for her to play collegiate volleyball. Again, it's hard to believe that these high school players are involving their parents 100% in the recruiting process. Perhaps parents need to have an honest conversation with their child about why they are willing to invest thousands & thousands into their club. Bottomline, is that they want their child to get a scholarship offer (or multiple offers) & not so their child can walk away from volleyball & have their parents pick up the college bill. That's why so many coaches look overseas for players, because international kids jump at the chance of playing collegiate volleyball in the United States. Kids here can't seem to put down Tik Tok long enough to understand the gravity of the opportunities they have right in front of them. It's truly a sad state of affairs. This is ridiculous. Just because something is paid for doesn't mean it's a good fit. A free education with a crap coach at a school you hate isn't worth anything. Yes, there are situations where people have to take what they can get. But heaven knows I'd rather pay money for my kid to be enrolled at a school she wants to be at, rather than pay nothing for her to be miserable. The fact that you think every kid you offer a scholarship to should accept it and be grateful shows just how out of touch you are with most of today's athletes and families. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jun 13, 2023 20:55:53 GMT -5
So how did the main recruiting year turn out? It's almost time for the '25s to join the race. Did your '24 find a home? I always enjoyed your posts regarding your family's process. We've learned a ton and my daughter's perspective and our perspective as a family has changed dramatically. We see the entire process so differently now and have, what i think, is a much healthier perspective on where this should fit as a priority in our family and the place it should occupy in our daughter's life. We are very optimistic. She has several visits that are paired with camps with some amazing schools and opportunities with the kind of staffs we have been looking for this entire time. [….] I've had the blessing of watching my daughter grow, mature and really turn the corner towards adulthood while she was here at our house, with a support system rather than learning many of these lessons somewhere else. If anything, it has strengthened her resolve to want to play and to respect the privilege of playing and I've seen it reflected in the growth of her dedication, work ethic but it has also further reinforced that she wants to have standards and things she won't compromise. I’m sorry this has been such a trying process, but your post has really warmed my heart. Your daughter is going to be so much better off for this experience. It is, as you say, truly a gift for her to be able to mature like this while she still has you there to backstop her. Most 16 and 17-year-olds don’t have this kind of opportunity to clarify their values in such a concrete manner. I admire her for her resolve and for not compromising her standards. I have faith that she will wind up at a school and in a program where she can thrive. |
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. I would also say that we got saved from ourselves more than a handful of times as well. I can't tell you the number of near misses that happened that would have been disasters for various reasons had they worked out, so i'm grateful there. We've learned a ton and my daughter's perspective and our perspective as a family has changed dramatically. We see the entire process so differently now and have, what i think, is a much healthier perspective on where this should fit as a priority in our family and the place it should occupy in our daughter's life. We are very optimistic. She has several visits that are paired with camps with some amazing schools and opportunities with the kind of staffs we have been looking for this entire time. My daughter is going to play on an AAU team that really leans into her strengths as a player so she should be able to build some film and real life court time for this season. I wouldn't trade the process for anything...but I wouldn't ever do it again. It's been harder than I ever imagined it would be, but I've had the blessing of watching my daughter grow, mature and really turn the corner towards adulthood while she was here at our house, with a support system rather than learning many of these lessons somewhere else. If anything, it has strengthened her resolve to want to play and to respect the privilege of playing and I've seen it reflected in the growth of her dedication, work ethic but it has also further reinforced that she wants to have standards and things she won't compromise. Thank you again for asking and I'm willing to share anything from the process. I'm hoping we get across the finish line in the next month or so.
