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Post by redcard on Feb 8, 2023 17:50:44 GMT -5
That’s why as a coach I place the mental health & wellbeing of players as my top priority. I always build up & encourage players. I also ask each player what I can do as their coach to help them be their best. I partner with players to create solutions that help themselves & the team as a whole. What I have seen is that most AD’s are still hyper focused on hiring coaches based on wins. I never hear of AD’s also placing a priority on how the coach treated former players or asking about how they prioritize the mental health & wellbeing of players during interviews. Not sure this will change anytime soon. It’s very unfortunate. I find this unfortunate and concerning. Coaches aren't mental health experts and are rarely trained in any way to provide the care or focus you are suggesting. This is not, nor should it be a coaches job. I think many coaches have gotten in trouble thinking that they can provide these services and gotten in over their heads. If this is the focus of an AD then they should be hiring counselors and not sport specialists for head coaching positions. Athletic programs are an extracurricular activity focused around competition and can cause stress, believe it or not that is ok. There is stress in academics, personal relationships, post-grad life and virtually every facet of your life. Sports in past generations has prepared student-athletes to be successful post-grad through these challenges, but now we are telling them that they should feel special all the time and stress is bad. I think we are doing an extreme disservice to our youth in telling them that they should not be stressed or tested at any time. As long as there is no mistreatment there is no problem in pushing athletes to be better without coddling them constantly. We are starting to see more and more programs adding sports psychologists which hopefully will be another source of support. |
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Post by n00b on Feb 8, 2023 18:01:36 GMT -5
That’s why as a coach I place the mental health & wellbeing of players as my top priority. I always build up & encourage players. I also ask each player what I can do as their coach to help them be their best. I partner with players to create solutions that help themselves & the team as a whole. What I have seen is that most AD’s are still hyper focused on hiring coaches based on wins. I never hear of AD’s also placing a priority on how the coach treated former players or asking about how they prioritize the mental health & wellbeing of players during interviews. Not sure this will change anytime soon. It’s very unfortunate. I find this unfortunate and concerning. Coaches aren't mental health experts and are rarely trained in any way to provide the care or focus you are suggesting. This is not, nor should it be a coaches job. I think many coaches have gotten in trouble thinking that they can provide these services and gotten in over their heads. If this is the focus of an AD then they should be hiring counselors and not sport specialists for head coaching positions. Athletic programs are an extracurricular activity focused around competition and can cause stress, believe it or not that is ok. There is stress in academics, personal relationships, post-grad life and virtually every facet of your life. Sports in past generations has prepared student-athletes to be successful post-grad through these challenges, but now we are telling them that they should feel special all the time and stress is bad. I think we are doing an extreme disservice to our youth in telling them that they should not be stressed or tested at any time. As long as there is no mistreatment there is no problem in pushing athletes to be better without coddling them constantly. Yikes. Prioritizing mental health of you athletes does not require training. Just being a decent person. Just not putting wins over SA well-being. If you feel unqualified to do those two things, then maybe you SHOULD get some training. |
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Post by n00b on Feb 8, 2023 18:02:25 GMT -5
I find this unfortunate and concerning. Coaches aren't mental health experts and are rarely trained in any way to provide the care or focus you are suggesting. This is not, nor should it be a coaches job. I think many coaches have gotten in trouble thinking that they can provide these services and gotten in over their heads. If this is the focus of an AD then they should be hiring counselors and not sport specialists for head coaching positions. Athletic programs are an extracurricular activity focused around competition and can cause stress, believe it or not that is ok. There is stress in academics, personal relationships, post-grad life and virtually every facet of your life. Sports in past generations has prepared student-athletes to be successful post-grad through these challenges, but now we are telling them that they should feel special all the time and stress is bad. I think we are doing an extreme disservice to our youth in telling them that they should not be stressed or tested at any time. As long as there is no mistreatment there is no problem in pushing athletes to be better without coddling them constantly. We are starting to see more and more programs adding sports psychologists which hopefully will be another source of support. The need for sport psychologists is less when coaches treat players decently. |
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Post by ineedajob on Feb 8, 2023 18:07:02 GMT -5
I find this unfortunate and concerning. Coaches aren't mental health experts and are rarely trained in any way to provide the care or focus you are suggesting. This is not, nor should it be a coaches job. I think many coaches have gotten in trouble thinking that they can provide these services and gotten in over their heads. If this is the focus of an AD then they should be hiring counselors and not sport specialists for head coaching positions. Athletic programs are an extracurricular activity focused around competition and can cause stress, believe it or not that is ok. There is stress in academics, personal relationships, post-grad life and virtually every facet of your life. Sports in past generations has prepared student-athletes to be successful post-grad through these challenges, but now we are telling them that they should feel special all the time and stress is bad. I think we are doing an extreme disservice to our youth in telling them that they should not be stressed or tested at any time. As long as there is no mistreatment there is no problem in pushing athletes to be better without coddling them constantly. Yikes. Prioritizing mental health of you athletes does not require training. Just being a decent person. Just not putting wins over SA well-being. If you feel unqualified to do those two things, then maybe you SHOULD get some training. I didn't interpret it like tommyboy was trying to argue that coaches should have no concern for mental health and the well-being of SAs. It's about finding the right balance. Do I care about my players and prioritize their mental health? Yes. Am I the single most qualified person to help them with all of their daily mental health struggles? Probably not. I'm there to listen and then try to guide them to the right experts if they need additional support. |
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Post by n00b on Feb 8, 2023 18:21:00 GMT -5
Yikes. Prioritizing mental health of you athletes does not require training. Just being a decent person. Just not putting wins over SA well-being. If you feel unqualified to do those two things, then maybe you SHOULD get some training. I didn't interpret it like tommyboy was trying to argue that coaches should have no concern for mental health and the well-being of SAs. It's about finding the right balance. Do I care about my players and prioritize their mental health? Yes. Am I the single most qualified person to help them with all of their daily mental health struggles? Probably not. I'm there to listen and then try to guide them to the right experts if they need additional support. Do you find the self-described coaching style of coachtaylor “unfortunate and concerning”? Coaches are not trained to handle serious mental health disorders. Also, coaches have the power to GREATLY affect a student athlete’s mental health. |
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Post by redcard on Feb 8, 2023 18:49:44 GMT -5
We are starting to see more and more programs adding sports psychologists which hopefully will be another source of support. The need for sport psychologists is less when coaches treat players decently. No doubt, but coaches can only do so much to support mental health of players. Sometimes the coach has nothing to do with the mental issues of an athlete. |
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Post by sevb on Feb 8, 2023 19:14:44 GMT -5
Congrats to Manolo… an outstanding vb mind, mentor, and student of the game… its awesome to see stand up people get great opportunities… wishing him nothing but success! |
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Post by ineedajob on Feb 8, 2023 19:47:56 GMT -5
I didn't interpret it like tommyboy was trying to argue that coaches should have no concern for mental health and the well-being of SAs. It's about finding the right balance. Do I care about my players and prioritize their mental health? Yes. Am I the single most qualified person to help them with all of their daily mental health struggles? Probably not. I'm there to listen and then try to guide them to the right experts if they need additional support. Do you find the self-described coaching style of coachtaylor “unfortunate and concerning”? Coaches are not trained to handle serious mental health disorders. Also, coaches have the power to GREATLY affect a student athlete’s mental health. No, I don't find coachtaylor's style unfortunate and concerning. However, I do agree with tommyboy that a lot of well-intentioned people and coaches who try to offer mental health advice or "life coaching" end up doing more harm than good when they're not trained for it. I also agree that stress isn't always bad. Those were my main takeaways from his post. |
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Post by tommyboy on Feb 8, 2023 19:52:56 GMT -5
Yikes. Prioritizing mental health of you athletes does not require training. Just being a decent person. Just not putting wins over SA well-being. If you feel unqualified to do those two things, then maybe you SHOULD get some training. I didn't interpret it like tommyboy was trying to argue that coaches should have no concern for mental health and the well-being of SAs. It's about finding the right balance. Do I care about my players and prioritize their mental health? Yes. Am I the single most qualified person to help them with all of their daily mental health struggles? Probably not. I'm there to listen and then try to guide them to the right experts if they need additional support. Exactly my point. There is no "Yikes." In fact I am saying to take it more seriously and realize this is too serious for a coach to fix. Everyone should clearly be a decent person to every person they interact with, whether they are on their team or not. That is the standard baseline of being a human being. Coaches should be treating athletes as students attempting to learn their sport. My point is way to many people are expecting coaches and teachers to do everything including handling student's mental health and many coaches overestimate their abilities. So many factors are involved, mostly off the court, that make this a dangerous activity. You are not their parent or friend, but you should be directing them toward someone who can help. I would argue that this superhero coach complex causes more problems both for the students and the coach. Having seen suicidal players and coaches sued for overreaching I would give the advice - Be responsible, stay in your lane, get parents/professionals involved immediately when needed. |
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Post by kneepain on Feb 8, 2023 20:28:04 GMT -5
What’s really sad is that all of this is common stuff at the Division 1 level…I’ve been part of 4+ programs like this and I’ve heard plenty of stories…and it’s not getting better. It’s getting worse and good people (players and coaches) are getting out because of it. I’ve been to different administrations, and they don’t do much. My players have gone to administration and they still don’t do anything. Just sad… |
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Post by dizzydean on Feb 8, 2023 20:36:24 GMT -5
That’s why as a coach I place the mental health & wellbeing of players as my top priority. I always build up & encourage players. I also ask each player what I can do as their coach to help them be their best. I partner with players to create solutions that help themselves & the team as a whole. What I have seen is that most AD’s are still hyper focused on hiring coaches based on wins. I never hear of AD’s also placing a priority on how the coach treated former players or asking about how they prioritize the mental health & wellbeing of players during interviews. Not sure this will change anytime soon. It’s very unfortunate. I find this unfortunate and concerning. Coaches aren't mental health experts and are rarely trained in any way to provide the care or focus you are suggesting. This is not, nor should it be a coaches job. I think many coaches have gotten in trouble thinking that they can provide these services and gotten in over their heads. If this is the focus of an AD then they should be hiring counselors and not sport specialists for head coaching positions. Athletic programs are an extracurricular activity focused around competition and can cause stress, believe it or not that is ok. There is stress in academics, personal relationships, post-grad life and virtually every facet of your life. Sports in past generations has prepared student-athletes to be successful post-grad through these challenges, but now we are telling them that they should feel special all the time and stress is bad. I think we are doing an extreme disservice to our youth in telling them that they should not be stressed or tested at any time. As long as there is no mistreatment there is no problem in pushing athletes to be better without coddling them constantly. I don’t think they’re talking about stress in the normal sense. They’re talking about debilitating conditions. Stress can be very formative, yes, but not at the extremes. |
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Post by vbman100 on Feb 8, 2023 20:40:52 GMT -5
This article only scratches the surface. If people only knew. Tell us. Preferably in the thread about the article, and not here in the jobs thread. But that article was weak with very few specifics about “mistreatment”. |
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Post by InfoBot on Feb 9, 2023 9:47:35 GMT -5
He couldn’t take one winter in the Midwest. Based on some context clues, I think maybe they deleted and reposted the original tweet that Vball Freak shared? |
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Post by islandvb on Feb 9, 2023 11:09:26 GMT -5
Caveat Emptor
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Post by odinaka on Feb 9, 2023 11:09:30 GMT -5
http://instagram.com/p/Coclx86s2Th This opens up the assistant coach position at Pitt. Wonder if Akeo will get it or if they’ll be looking for an external candidate. Either way, Pitt has an opening; assistant coach or DOVO |
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