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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 7:48:01 GMT -5
On in-system plays, is the setter just verbally communicating where the set will go, or are there other ways the hitters will know when they are getting the ball? On the serve reception I assume this is communicated by the setter's hand signals before the serve, but after that... ? the hitters just run their routes they were told to and if they get set they get set and if they don’t oh well. Or Maybe they will audible something else to the setter if they aren’t in a good spot to hit the pre determined route |
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Post by knapplc on Oct 7, 2022 8:00:24 GMT -5
Anyone needing lotion for the response probably walks up and checks the net height with their hands after the officials measure it with a chain… I always did this. Not because I was questioning the measurement, but to get a tactile sense of the height of the net. Same reason I would jump & touch the rim before a match. |
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Post by Winbabywin on Oct 7, 2022 8:05:16 GMT -5
Not 1 single person who is playing high school, club, college or professional volleyball right now, has EVER played with strict double rules (as in the old days). SO why is it that 15-year-olds are yelling "double" when the ball barely spins?
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Post by gluckgluck on Oct 7, 2022 8:16:59 GMT -5
Why isn't a touch on a block considered a stat line category? Or a block that stops a kill, but falls back onto the opponent's side for continued play? Those "blocks" helps the back-row defense and disrupt the opponent's offense.
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Post by knapplc on Oct 7, 2022 8:20:27 GMT -5
What do the setters signal to the players before doing a play? And what do the players signal behind their backs before the player serves? I think the answer is different for different teams. I don't doubt hipsterfilth 's explanation, but this is how I'd answer: 1) Setters are telling hitters what to expect on a perfect pass. The net is broken down into zones. You're telling your hitter where to expect the ball, progressing out from the setter from middle to pin. One finger is a quick middle, two is a high middle, three is midway between the setter and the pin, four is a quick outside, five is a moon ball to the pin. A finger gun is a shoot. Same signals for your right-side hitter, but there are fewer options because (with a good pass) the setter has fewer options on that side. Here's a simple diagram.  2) These are blocking signals. Typically you're going to see an index finger or index & middle. Index finger alone means you're blocking line. Two fingers means you're blocking angle, leaving the line exposed. It helps the defense get a jump on lining up outside the block. Here are some typical signals in action. According to the page I borrowed this image from the open hand (which is a new signal to me) means the blocker doesn't respect the hitter and his just putting hands on the ball.  |
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Post by winesalot on Oct 7, 2022 8:23:57 GMT -5
Not 1 single person who is playing high school, club, college or professional volleyball right now, has EVER played with strict double rules (as in the old days). SO why is it that 15-year-olds are yelling "double" when the ball barely spins? Because their parents have been yelling it since they were 10. And it's always the setter's mom who is yelling it at the opposing team. And you want to yell at her to "shut it" because if the Refs start calling doubles her own kid is screwed. |
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Post by justahick on Oct 7, 2022 8:49:32 GMT -5
Who determined that NCAA would go back to switching sides between sets and how do I tell them to make the pain stop? The rule book. In most gyms, one side has an advantage (background, light, band). In some gyms it is very significant - there is one gym we used to play in where, over the course of the season, one side was worth 1.5 points per set (the background was white on that side and dark blue on the other side). |
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Post by justahick on Oct 7, 2022 8:53:06 GMT -5
On in-system plays, is the setter just verbally communicating where the set will go, or are there other ways the hitters will know when they are getting the ball? On the serve reception I assume this is communicated by the setter's hand signals before the serve, but after that... ? Setters are rarely if ever calling out sets in a rally. Most of the time, the attackers will have a prefered route by rotation or called before hand, but many teams will use a system of audible where hitters decide what they are going to run. These days, it is 95% of the time only the middle audibling their route, with the pins perhaps calling for in-system (Go) or out of system sets (High) |
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Post by ned3vball on Oct 7, 2022 8:56:04 GMT -5
I've read a handful of stat keeping guidelines, so I guess I know the answer, which makes this an even dumber question, but why don't we have a system where all the stats add up to total points scored?. A free ball stat and maybe a team error stat should do it.
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Post by jaypak on Oct 7, 2022 9:09:20 GMT -5
Would Dayton make sense for the Big East ? And was that ever a discussion? Or are only questions about the game and not teams pertinent to this thread ?  Not to derail the thread, but Dayton wasn't considered during earlier expansion because of their proximity to Xavier. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Oct 7, 2022 9:09:47 GMT -5
How many matches do you have to attend before the players begin to recognize you as a regular?
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Post by hipsterfilth on Oct 7, 2022 9:11:01 GMT -5
What do the setters signal to the players before doing a play? And what do the players signal behind their backs before the player serves? I think the answer is different for different teams. I don't doubt hipsterfilth 's explanation, but this is how I'd answer: 1) Setters are telling hitters what to expect on a perfect pass. The net is broken down into zones. You're telling your hitter where to expect the ball, progressing out from the setter from middle to pin. One finger is a quick middle, two is a high middle, three is midway between the setter and the pin, four is a quick outside, five is a moon ball to the pin. A finger gun is a shoot. Same signals for your right-side hitter, but there are fewer options because (with a good pass) the setter has fewer options on that side. Here's a simple diagram. 2) These are blocking signals. Typically you're going to see an index finger or index & middle. Index finger alone means you're blocking line. Two fingers means you're blocking angle, leaving the line exposed. It helps the defense get a jump on lining up outside the block. Here are some typical signals in action. According to the page I borrowed this image from the open hand (which is a new signal to me) means the blocker doesn't respect the hitter and his just putting hands on the ball. Omg I love the chart. Basically what I meant for the first one. Second one is interesting I hadn’t realized the blocking signals. If you’re going to commit, I guess it’s good to let defense know where to set up. |
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Oct 7, 2022 9:26:17 GMT -5
Why are substitutions sometimes so awkward? Example, players swap spots. No, ref calls them back to hold hands and waves them in? Part B, why does the libero sub, have to involve an extra middle to go through the motions of subbing in and going back to the bench? When middles swap, there is no need to enter/exit in front of the down ref. When libero swaps, there is no need to enter/exit in front of the down ref (so that the score keepers can keep track of the counted substitutions).
When they do the awkward swap, it's because one was serving and they do a swap with their paired player (counts) and then gets swapped with the libero (no count) or they do a swap with the libero (no count) and then swap with their paired player (counts).
Some down refs, if they're comfortable with it lets the home team swap with barely a pause because they know the scoring table knows the players well and can handle the "paperwork" of the swap easily compared to the visiting team where they just learned their names the day of game and have to slow it down to get the sub record and count correct.
Thanks, I assumed it was scoring related, as often you see the R2 looking to the table, especially if both teams are subbing simultaneously. Counting subs is something I rarely think of and never worry about at a match. Would be nice to see a counter on the scoreboard for that too, come to think of it. |
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Oct 7, 2022 9:28:24 GMT -5
Why are substitutions sometimes so awkward? Example, players swap spots. No, ref calls them back to hold hands and waves them in? Part B, why does the libero sub, have to involve an extra middle to go through the motions of subbing in and going back to the bench? Ref calls them back if he hasn’t processed them. There’s a limit on subs, and the ref needs to be sure that the officials have recorded the substitution (and may also keep track of the number .. not sure). Part B - pedantic nit, the Libero replaces another player. She does not substitute for them (and the replacement is supposed to occur behind the attack line). If you didn’t have the sub-then-replace, then teams would get away with a free substitution. For example (using Gophers)… … Carter would rotate to serve, but instead is subbed out for Elise. 1 substitution … Elise serves, and when a side out occurs, CC replaces her. … CC rotates across the back court, until her position rotates to the front. … Carter comes back in, replacing CC. CC replaces Naya in the service position. 0 substitutions. Whoops! Elise serving for Carter, and then coming back out, should have been two subs! Note that it is perfectly legit to have Elise replace CC when that position rotates into the front row, and immediately get subbed out by Carter coming back in. That isn’t normally done because the middles and serving subs forget, and cost their team one or more points when it’s finally noticed. Thanks JT, Yes assumed it was a procedural thing. It just seems odd when you see the middle go to check in and u-turn right back to the bench. I never remember how many subs you get either and it rarely matters for the Gophers. |
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Post by Winbabywin on Oct 7, 2022 9:39:49 GMT -5
Not 1 single person who is playing high school, club, college or professional volleyball right now, has EVER played with strict double rules (as in the old days). SO why is it that 15-year-olds are yelling "double" when the ball barely spins? Because their parents have been yelling it since they were 10. And it's always the setter's mom who is yelling it at the opposing team. And you want to yell at her to "shut it" because if the Refs start calling doubles her own kid is screwed. Ok granted the parents are idiots. BUT the relaxed doubles "rules" have been in effect for nearly 10, maybe 15 years now. I'm guessing it's old-school coaches who brag about how it was back in the day. I have an idea...EVOLVE you freakin dinosaurs! I'm old school too! But I have accepted the new look volleyball; and yes you are correct. If the refs called it the way you yell at them to call it, the next thing out of your stupid mouth would be, "Come on, let em play!" |
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