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Post by uofaGRAD on Oct 25, 2022 18:11:48 GMT -5
Who would be next up for M1? Like who should be getting looks right now. Stevenson. Eventually Rettke. Haleigh isn't a problem per se. But she was not at her standard this past summer... and nothing was ever changed. That is my biggest gripe. oh I have no doubt we should look elsewhere. her blocking was horrific and her offense was streaky. I just always forget if Stevenson prefers the M1 or M2 spot. I think Rettke could grow into it, she just needs all the blocking reps she can get.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Oct 25, 2022 18:13:02 GMT -5
Stevenson. Eventually Rettke. Haleigh isn't a problem per se. But she was not at her standard this past summer... and nothing was ever changed. That is my biggest gripe. oh I have no doubt we should look elsewhere. her blocking was horrific and her offense was streaky. I just always forget if Stevenson prefers the M1 or M2 spot. I think Rettke could grow into it, she just needs all the blocking reps she can get. Stevenson's slide should have her wanting to be an M1.. but Karch had her at M2 this summer (or part of it)
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Post by uofaGRAD on Oct 25, 2022 18:13:39 GMT -5
let's just get JT passing again and then JWO (if she doesn't get beat out) can always serve receive in zone 6 and steal as many balls as possible lol
only half kidding...
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Post by uofaGRAD on Oct 25, 2022 18:14:36 GMT -5
oh I have no doubt we should look elsewhere. her blocking was horrific and her offense was streaky. I just always forget if Stevenson prefers the M1 or M2 spot. I think Rettke could grow into it, she just needs all the blocking reps she can get. Stevenson's slide should have her wanting to be an M1.. but Karch had her at M2 this summer (or part of it) that's what I thought... I need to go back and watch some of her highlights at louisville. I was too obsessed with debeer last year.
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Post by donut on Oct 25, 2022 18:23:38 GMT -5
Question: who claimed Kelsey is USA's main issue? Went back through the last few pages and didn't see that. This feels a bit dramatic.
Also, FWIW, if our opposite isn't scoring and our middles aren't scoring, perhaps Karch/USA should try bringing in an outside who can score more consistently? Or, in other words, if Kelsey's passing isn't making everything else go (or, as is often the case, the opposing team just targets the other OH, so Kelsey's passing is a non-factor), perhaps her ball control skills, in those cases, become less valuable to the point we should try another OH.
Kelsey is a tremendous volleyball player -- anyone who suggests otherwise is stupid. But her leash seems to be the same length as Larson's was, when it shouldn't be.
I think it’s just a cumulative thing, not something one person specifically said. I think there’s a list of problems with the NT right now and Kelsey isn’t #1 (and maybe not even 5 on that list) but gets treated as such (just imo) This may be accurate. I think Poulter got treated as the #1 problem, but KRob probably wasn't far behind.
Karch's stubbornness and inability to make adjustments to his starting 6 is the #1 overarching problem. I actually think, other than opposite, he chose the right players to make the roster at every position! He just didn't utilize his roster.
I think KRob should start. But when she isn't solidifying the passing line, can't score, and her liability as a blocker is getting exposed, Karch/USA needs to say "ok, we need to abandon the 'OH2 = second libero' strategy" and substitute someone in who may give us a drop off in passing, but gives us more offense, especially if we 1) can't get the middles going, and 2) our opposite is struggling to hit OOS.
I guess TL;DR: KRob should start but that doesn't mean we should leave her in when she's getting every OOS set and hitting straight into the block or tipping.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 25, 2022 18:25:22 GMT -5
Who would be next up for M1? Like who should be getting looks right now. Stevenson. Eventually Rettke. Haleigh isn't a problem per se. But she was not at her standard this past summer... and nothing was ever changed. That is my biggest gripe. None of the above is a better answer. Having said that, middle is not near the top of the list.
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Post by donut on Oct 25, 2022 18:27:12 GMT -5
If I had to list our biggest problems right now, particularly looking at the WCH, I'd say:
1. Karch's refusal to sub out struggling players 1a. Karch's refusal to sub out Poulter 1b. Karch's refusal to sub out Washington 1c. Karch's refusal to sub out Cook 2. Opposite inconsistency/depth 3. Opposite roster selection
(I'd switch 1c and 2 but 1c goes with 1 and my OCD refuses to let me mess that up)
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 25, 2022 18:27:44 GMT -5
If one looks at the USA roster by position, and evaluate on talent, ability, depth and effectiveness/consistency, the outsides are the biggest deficiency/concern, then opposites, then liberos, then middles then setters (cheerleaders are doing great!). The over-arching concern is Karch’s team and roster management, which is just as responsible for the lack of setter-middle connection as any of the players in those positions. In terms of passing, it’s obvious that Karch, unlike his predecessors, has decided to outsource passing training to the pro leagues, preferably Italian, instead of focusing on it in practice, which begs the question of where the team will be practicing anyway since the availability of the Anaheim facility is questionable. and not the coach? LOL I've been critical of Karch's coaching since way before it became fashionable--before he was named Head Coach actually.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Oct 25, 2022 18:37:25 GMT -5
I think it’s just a cumulative thing, not something one person specifically said. I think there’s a list of problems with the NT right now and Kelsey isn’t #1 (and maybe not even 5 on that list) but gets treated as such (just imo) This may be accurate. I think Poulter got treated as the #1 problem, but KRob probably wasn't far behind.
Karch's stubbornness and inability to make adjustments to his starting 6 is the #1 overarching problem. I actually think, other than opposite, he chose the right players to make the roster at every position! He just didn't utilize his roster.
I think KRob should start. But when she isn't solidifying the passing line, can't score, and her liability as a blocker is getting exposed, Karch/USA needs to say "ok, we need to abandon the 'OH2 = second libero' strategy" and substitute someone in who may give us a drop off in passing, but gives us more offense, especially if we 1) can't get the middles going, and 2) our opposite is struggling to hit OOS.
I guess TL;DR: KRob should start but that doesn't mean we should leave her in when she's getting every OOS set and hitting straight into the block or tipping.
It's just an endless cycle of problems Leave Kelsey in: OOS problems Take Kelsey out: OOS problems lol A lot of this could be solved with 2021 SWP. Pain
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 25, 2022 18:37:28 GMT -5
If I had to list our biggest problems right now, particularly looking at the WCH, I'd say: 1. Karch's refusal to sub out struggling players 1a. Karch's refusal to sub out Poulter 1b. Karch's refusal to sub out Washington 1c. Karch's refusal to sub out Cook 2. Opposite inconsistency/depth 3. Opposite roster selection (I'd switch 1c and 2 but 1c goes with 1 and my OCD refuses to let me mess that up) Substitutions are tactical. They can be changed and remedied easily. Inconsistencies (and developing players) can be worked on through proper training and repetition, which takes longer, and requires skill and appropriate experience by the coaches. Stubbornness and ego are all in Karch's head and that skull is apparently pretty thick--there may not be a remedy for that.
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Post by Reach on Oct 25, 2022 18:57:07 GMT -5
She single-handedly beat DR at the Olympics! Put some respect on her name. Don’t be rude.
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Post by Reach on Oct 25, 2022 18:58:41 GMT -5
If I had to list our biggest problems right now, particularly looking at the WCH, I'd say: 1. Karch's refusal to sub out struggling players 1a. Karch's refusal to sub out Poulter 1b. Karch's refusal to sub out Washington 1c. Karch's refusal to sub out Cook 2. Opposite inconsistency/depth 3. Opposite roster selection (I'd switch 1c and 2 but 1c goes with 1 and my OCD refuses to let me mess that up) Couldn’t have said it better.
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Oct 25, 2022 18:58:59 GMT -5
The #1 issue this summer was Karch and his inability to make in-game adjustments. I'm still bitter that Anna Stevenson didn't get any playing time during WCH.
EDIT: Also that SWP barely got any playing time as an OH and got relegated to a serving sub. I am very confusion.
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Post by VolleyTX on Oct 30, 2022 10:12:28 GMT -5
If I had to list our biggest problems right now, particularly looking at the WCH, I'd say: 1. Karch's refusal to sub out struggling players 1a. Karch's refusal to sub out Poulter 1b. Karch's refusal to sub out Washington 1c. Karch's refusal to sub out Cook 2. Opposite inconsistency/depth 3. Opposite roster selection (I'd switch 1c and 2 but 1c goes with 1 and my OCD refuses to let me mess that up) I like the idea of giving a young player with tons of potential a very long leash, but you have a point that fully developed players should be subbed out if they are not performing. I'm thinking of a player in the vein of Egonu (I know.... USA has not had that level of talent outside of D. Hooker). Italy rode her hard when she was very young. At first, I don't even think she "earned" the position. They knew she wasn't any where near her capability. They let her grow into it. This is something I don't think USA does very well with their younger, talented players. I know our system in the USA is very different, but I do think it lacks the stability and structure to truly develop players to their top potential.
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Post by basil on Nov 29, 2022 16:33:11 GMT -5
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