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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 23, 2022 14:16:14 GMT -5
How do you score that overpass kill for Demps in terms of passing stats? It counts as an attack attempt and a kill. But does it play into passing stats? It counts as an attack and so not affecting passing stats? |
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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 23, 2022 14:18:05 GMT -5
GG with 3RE, but also 22 digs.
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Post by taxidea on Oct 23, 2022 14:19:38 GMT -5
Badgers win 3-1. Badgers hit well especially in set4, but otherwise looked kinda ugly in this match.
Defense and passing was not in mid-season form. Setting was so-so.
A win is a win. but coming out and playing back yard volley is mind numbing.
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Post by tablealgebra on Oct 23, 2022 14:20:33 GMT -5
It counts as an attack attempt and a kill. But does it play into passing stats? It counts as an attack and so not affecting passing stats? So passing is not an official statistic, and since the official stats have to account for all points that's why a free ball which hits the floor counts as an attack and kill. I would assume that the pass is still considered to be a 1 just like any other overpass. |
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Post by jwvolley on Oct 23, 2022 14:23:39 GMT -5
Dalton 😂😂 what was that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 14:26:09 GMT -5
Robinson grabbed the keys today and put the pedal to the medal. 🔥🔥
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Post by robtearle on Oct 23, 2022 14:48:48 GMT -5
I would like to know Franklins in % on serves. (Because of the way I had things set up to watch volleyball and the Packers at the same time, I couldn't look it up until now) (Edited to correct a misread on my part): Going into today, she had 31 serve errors on 140 total serves. I remember hearing somewhere that 10% is generally 'acceptable'. OTOH, going into today, her sideout percent is 0.584, and that's pretty OK-to-good. |
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Post by knapplc on Oct 23, 2022 15:28:21 GMT -5
Honestly thought the refs were going to give that to Rodgers there at the end.
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Post by Wiswell on Oct 23, 2022 19:30:21 GMT -5
I would like to know Franklins in % on serves. (Because of the way I had things set up to watch volleyball and the Packers at the same time, I couldn't look it up until now) (Edited to correct a misread on my part): Going into today, she had 31 serve errors on 140 total serves. I remember hearing somewhere that 10% is generally 'acceptable'. OTOH, going into today, her sideout percent is 0.584, and that's pretty OK-to-good. There is no need to watch the Packers at the same time. Just pause Badgers, and then check in. Need to prioritize! 😜 |
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Post by savannahbadger on Oct 23, 2022 19:50:46 GMT -5
There is no need to watch the Packers at the same time. Fixed. |
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Post by volleyball90 on Oct 23, 2022 20:18:41 GMT -5
But does it play into passing stats? It counts as an attack and so not affecting passing stats? So passing is not an official statistic, and since the official stats have to account for all points that's why a free ball which hits the floor counts as an attack and kill. I would assume that the pass is still considered to be a 1 just like any other overpass. An overpass should be a 0 IMO, and that’s how I always graded it. Anything you can’t set an attacker counts as a 0 to me. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Oct 23, 2022 20:23:58 GMT -5
On Wisconsin.
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Post by tablealgebra on Oct 24, 2022 0:14:12 GMT -5
So passing is not an official statistic, and since the official stats have to account for all points that's why a free ball which hits the floor counts as an attack and kill. I would assume that the pass is still considered to be a 1 just like any other overpass. An overpass should be a 0 IMO, and that’s how I always graded it. Anything you can’t set an attacker counts as a 0 to me. In my opinion, anything that leaves you still in the point should not be a 0. If you want to grade a pass that is basically a set to the opposing middle as a 0, that makes sense, but otherwise grade it at least a 1, or a 0.5 if you like that kind of thing. Actually, if they wanted to make passing really make sense as a stat, then your grade should be proportional to your chance of winning that point (something like a 1 = 20% chance of winning the point, etc... all the way up to 4 = 80% chance of winning the point). Use the kind of analytics they have in basketball to judge good or bad shots. But I'm not even sure where to begin on that. Until you get there, though, passing 'statistics' are really just an arbitrary measurement with limited statistical use. (kind of like RPI) |
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Post by volleyball90 on Oct 24, 2022 7:43:05 GMT -5
An overpass should be a 0 IMO, and that’s how I always graded it. Anything you can’t set an attacker counts as a 0 to me. In my opinion, anything that leaves you still in the point should not be a 0. If you want to grade a pass that is basically a set to the opposing middle as a 0, that makes sense, but otherwise grade it at least a 1, or a 0.5 if you like that kind of thing. Actually, if they wanted to make passing really make sense as a stat, then your grade should be proportional to your chance of winning that point (something like a 1 = 20% chance of winning the point, etc... all the way up to 4 = 80% chance of winning the point). Use the kind of analytics they have in basketball to judge good or bad shots. But I'm not even sure where to begin on that. Until you get there, though, passing 'statistics' are really just an arbitrary measurement with limited statistical use. (kind of like RPI) The reason I call it a 0 is because passing grades were based on how many front row hitters you can set off a pass. So a perfect pass gives you all 3 hitters while an errant pass leads to a set to the outside only. An overpass is usually a free ball or likely a kill right back down, so to me it’s a 0. Like I don’t think a passer should get credit for clearly missing the pass. And in general, I’d rather grade passers conservatively. It’s not a huge deal really, as long as the grader is being consistent for everyone, just the standard I always applied when grading the teams I coached. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Oct 24, 2022 10:38:02 GMT -5
In my opinion, anything that leaves you still in the point should not be a 0. If you want to grade a pass that is basically a set to the opposing middle as a 0, that makes sense, but otherwise grade it at least a 1, or a 0.5 if you like that kind of thing. Actually, if they wanted to make passing really make sense as a stat, then your grade should be proportional to your chance of winning that point (something like a 1 = 20% chance of winning the point, etc... all the way up to 4 = 80% chance of winning the point). Use the kind of analytics they have in basketball to judge good or bad shots. But I'm not even sure where to begin on that. Until you get there, though, passing 'statistics' are really just an arbitrary measurement with limited statistical use. (kind of like RPI) The reason I call it a 0 is because passing grades were based on how many front row hitters you can set off a pass. So a perfect pass gives you all 3 hitters while an errant pass leads to a set to the outside only. An overpass is usually a free ball or likely a kill right back down, so to me it’s a 0. Like I don’t think a passer should get credit for clearly missing the pass. And in general, I’d rather grade passers conservatively. It’s not a huge deal really, as long as the grader is being consistent for everyone, just the standard I always applied when grading the teams I coached. I see and understand. I suspect that except for overpasses and passes that result in free balls that it works out nearly the same as a 3 point system. Clearly, Sheffield thinks the opposite - their in-house grading is rather generous to their passers it seems. But to be fair, I think this is the first B1G game that we've lost the serve-pass battle, and even yesterday I'm not sure we really did lose it, it's just that after overpassing the first set away it really feels like it. |
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