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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Feb 10, 2023 12:43:15 GMT -5
It's good that San Diego is getting some setter depth. Excited to see Anni as a Torero!
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Post by vbnerd on Feb 10, 2023 13:01:08 GMT -5
You hope young people are unhappy enough to uproot their lives because you are bored. I don't even know where to start with that. oh my god saying I want to see good players who aren't seeing the floor hit the portal bc I find it interesting and want to see their impact?? please go outside dear god it was never that deep lmao. you act like everyone on here doesnt freak out in excitement when good players go into the portal aside from the fans of that specific program Hoping players who are unhappy can find a better situation seems pretty normal to me. Hoping players will be unhappy so you can be entertained by them looking for a better seems twisted to me. But then again, I didn't go to Stanford so what do I know.
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Post by staticb on Feb 10, 2023 13:08:07 GMT -5
So much for everyone who thought Anni couldn't end up at a decent D1 program.
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Post by nevollfan on Feb 10, 2023 13:28:04 GMT -5
Congrats to Anni. How many on here, many Nebraska fans, mused she wasn’t a good or even a division one player? So much for the amateur experts. A hot program in the best place for warm weather by an ocean in the United States. I wonder, a little, if Nebraska’s problems at setter location and termination the last few years is in the coaching? Is it paranoia or just not elite players? I mean we have made a few recent final fours. I get greedy.
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Post by juancook on Feb 10, 2023 13:29:54 GMT -5
Congrats to Anni. How many on here, many Nebraska fans, mused she wasn’t a good or even a division one player? So much for the amateur experts. A hot program in the best place for warm weather by an ocean in the United States. I wonder, a little, if Nebraska’s problems at setter location and termination the last few years is in the coaching? Is it paranoia or just not elite players? I mean we have made a few recent final fours. I get greedy. I never thought for once that she wasn't good enough or that she shouldn't be a division one player. I am very happy for her and her move to San Diego! I'm also happy for her dedication and great times while at Nebraska. She is a class act
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Post by staticb on Feb 10, 2023 14:32:53 GMT -5
Congrats to Anni. How many on here, many Nebraska fans, mused she wasn’t a good or even a division one player? So much for the amateur experts. A hot program in the best place for warm weather by an ocean in the United States. I wonder, a little, if Nebraska’s problems at setter location and termination the last few years is in the coaching? Is it paranoia or just not elite players? I mean we have made a few recent final fours. I get greedy. I'd say players and unlucky bounce with the injuries. Historically, Nebraska is not a setting school--they run a relatively simple offense that doesn't rely on quick tempo or a lot of offensive trickery. It's a general "plug and play" system that doesn't rely on a setter to be at the top of her game in order to win. I think it turned off the super elite setters that wanted to run a setter's offense and they looked at other qualities in their setters that was more than just being make all the tough sets. (Even though several of them could when the chips were down) Orr was an anomaly, in that Hildebrandt wanted her because he had plans to speed up the offense and then left. Then she got hurt and is probably setting a different tempo ball than she is used to. Then Hames got hurt (she is what she is, and what Nebraska is usually looking for in a setter imho) and Evans was a walk on who overachieved.
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Post by stanfordvb on Feb 10, 2023 14:35:20 GMT -5
oh my god saying I want to see good players who aren't seeing the floor hit the portal bc I find it interesting and want to see their impact?? please go outside dear god it was never that deep lmao. you act like everyone on here doesnt freak out in excitement when good players go into the portal aside from the fans of that specific program Hoping players who are unhappy can find a better situation seems pretty normal to me. Hoping players will be unhappy so you can be entertained by them looking for a better seems twisted to me. But then again, I didn't go to Stanford so what do I know. players leave programs they absolutely love all the time for playing time, I dont feel like its wrong to wish to see talented players having their talent actually used. are there certain players I would rather see playing than cheering? yes. its very cut and dry. leaving does not mean the player was necessarily unhappy, but if they come under the impression that they may see more bench than floor in their 4 years, they might look at other options even if they love their teammates, coaches, and school. take parra for example, I dont think anyone thinks she was unhappy at texas... but she still left for a more playing time. and there's plenty more of examples like that. im obviously not hoping players will be unhappy that is ridiculous , im hoping to see them play more thats it there wasnt any deeper thought behind it
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 10, 2023 15:31:10 GMT -5
Hoping players who are unhappy can find a better situation seems pretty normal to me. Hoping players will be unhappy so you can be entertained by them looking for a better seems twisted to me. But then again, I didn't go to Stanford so what do I know. players leave programs they absolutely love all the time for playing time, I dont feel like its wrong to wish to see talented players having their talent actually used. are there certain players I would rather see playing than cheering? yes. its very cut and dry. leaving does not mean the player was necessarily unhappy, but if they come under the impression that they may see more bench than floor in their 4 years, they might look at other options even if they love their teammates, coaches, and school. take parra for example, I dont think anyone thinks she was unhappy at texas... but she still left for a more playing time. and there's plenty more of examples like that. im obviously not hoping players will be unhappy that is ridiculous , im hoping to see them play more thats it there wasnt any deeper thought behind it I personally think it’s sick and twisted to want players to stay at your favorite school when they have opportunities to thrive athletically elsewhere. I don’t see why people are picking fights with this. Good players deserve to tap into their full potential and sometimes having to play behind experience, even if that experience isn’t more athletic than you, can stunt one’s mental growth and impact the physical. Not everyone wants to be Orie Agbaji nor should they be asked to be.
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 10, 2023 15:31:21 GMT -5
Congrats to Anni. How many on here, many Nebraska fans, mused she wasn’t a good or even a division one player? So much for the amateur experts. A hot program in the best place for warm weather by an ocean in the United States. I wonder, a little, if Nebraska’s problems at setter location and termination the last few years is in the coaching? Is it paranoia or just not elite players? I mean we have made a few recent final fours. I get greedy. I'd say players and unlucky bounce with the injuries. Historically, Nebraska is not a setting school--they run a relatively simple offense that doesn't rely on quick tempo or a lot of offensive trickery. It's a general "plug and play" system that doesn't rely on a setter to be at the top of her game in order to win. I think it turned off the super elite setters that wanted to run a setter's offense and they looked at other qualities in their setters that was more than just being make all the tough sets. (Even though several of them could when the chips were down) Orr was an anomaly, in that Hildebrandt wanted her because he had plans to speed up the offense and then left. Then she got hurt and is probably setting a different tempo ball than she is used to. Then Hames got hurt (she is what she is, and what Nebraska is usually looking for in a setter imho) and Evans was a walk on who overachieved. No shade, but a lot of people in the know - college coaches, big wigs in the club scene, USAV pipeline - were hyping Orr as the next big thing in setting. John Cook was out there saying things like she could do things with the ball that he rarely ever saw. I have no comment about the injury (though I fail to see how a recovering knee injury means a setter can't accurately locate a ball, consistently, without doubling it), but suggesting that Orr, as a setter, can't quickly adjust to a different tempo ball, sounds kind of silly, to say the least.
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Post by jwvolley on Feb 10, 2023 15:43:55 GMT -5
I'd say players and unlucky bounce with the injuries. Historically, Nebraska is not a setting school--they run a relatively simple offense that doesn't rely on quick tempo or a lot of offensive trickery. It's a general "plug and play" system that doesn't rely on a setter to be at the top of her game in order to win. I think it turned off the super elite setters that wanted to run a setter's offense and they looked at other qualities in their setters that was more than just being make all the tough sets. (Even though several of them could when the chips were down) Orr was an anomaly, in that Hildebrandt wanted her because he had plans to speed up the offense and then left. Then she got hurt and is probably setting a different tempo ball than she is used to. Then Hames got hurt (she is what she is, and what Nebraska is usually looking for in a setter imho) and Evans was a walk on who overachieved. No shade, but a lot of people in the know - college coaches, big wigs in the club scene, USAV pipeline - were hyping Orr as the next big thing in setting. John Cook was out there saying things like she could do things with the ball that he rarely ever saw. I have no comment about the injury (though I fail to see how a recovering knee injury means a setter can't accurately locate a ball, consistently, without doubling it), but suggesting that Orr, as a setter, can't quickly adjust to a different tempo ball, sounds kind of silly, to say the least. “I have no comment about the injury” *immediately comments on the injury and its implications*
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Post by rjaege on Feb 10, 2023 16:13:49 GMT -5
I'd say players and unlucky bounce with the injuries. Historically, Nebraska is not a setting school--they run a relatively simple offense that doesn't rely on quick tempo or a lot of offensive trickery. It's a general "plug and play" system that doesn't rely on a setter to be at the top of her game in order to win. I think it turned off the super elite setters that wanted to run a setter's offense and they looked at other qualities in their setters that was more than just being make all the tough sets. (Even though several of them could when the chips were down) Orr was an anomaly, in that Hildebrandt wanted her because he had plans to speed up the offense and then left. Then she got hurt and is probably setting a different tempo ball than she is used to. Then Hames got hurt (she is what she is, and what Nebraska is usually looking for in a setter imho) and Evans was a walk on who overachieved. No shade, but a lot of people in the know - college coaches, big wigs in the club scene, USAV pipeline - were hyping Orr as the next big thing in setting. John Cook was out there saying things like she could do things with the ball that he rarely ever saw. I have no comment about the injury (though I fail to see how a recovering knee injury means a setter can't accurately locate a ball, consistently, without doubling it), but suggesting that Orr, as a setter, can't quickly adjust to a different tempo ball, sounds kind of silly, to say the least. Sounds a bit "shady" to me.
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 10, 2023 16:14:13 GMT -5
No shade, but a lot of people in the know - college coaches, big wigs in the club scene, USAV pipeline - were hyping Orr as the next big thing in setting. John Cook was out there saying things like she could do things with the ball that he rarely ever saw. I have no comment about the injury (though I fail to see how a recovering knee injury means a setter can't accurately locate a ball, consistently, without doubling it), but suggesting that Orr, as a setter, can't quickly adjust to a different tempo ball, sounds kind of silly, to say the least. “I have no comment about the injury” *immediately comments on the injury and its implications* by no comment on the injury I mean I don't know the extent of it, I don't know what steps were taken to correct it, and I don't know if and how the injury is still bothering her. What I DO know is that I've played volleyball long enough to know that blaming a knee injury for wildly inaccurate ball location or doubling the ball sounds farfetched. And, more importantly, IF her knee still actually is the reason for the poor setting (again, I do not know), maybe she shouldn't be playing?
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Post by slxpress on Feb 10, 2023 16:14:49 GMT -5
players leave programs they absolutely love all the time for playing time, I dont feel like its wrong to wish to see talented players having their talent actually used. are there certain players I would rather see playing than cheering? yes. its very cut and dry. leaving does not mean the player was necessarily unhappy, but if they come under the impression that they may see more bench than floor in their 4 years, they might look at other options even if they love their teammates, coaches, and school. take parra for example, I dont think anyone thinks she was unhappy at texas... but she still left for a more playing time. and there's plenty more of examples like that. im obviously not hoping players will be unhappy that is ridiculous , im hoping to see them play more thats it there wasnt any deeper thought behind it I personally think it’s sick and twisted to want players to stay at your favorite school when they have opportunities to thrive athletically elsewhere. I don’t see why people are picking fights with this. Good players deserve to tap into their full potential and sometimes having to play behind experience, even if that experience isn’t more athletic than you, can stunt one’s mental growth and impact the physical. Not everyone wants to be Orie Agbaji nor should they be asked to be. It’s not “people.” It’s two posters going back and forth. As a Texas fan I’d like to see Kahahawai get a chance at Texas rather than somewhere else. So I’m not exactly rooting for her to transfer. But if she’s not going to get a chance to see the floor in a significant role (and no, being subbed in as a double sub at the end of sets is not the equivalent of a significant role), I wouldn’t blame her for seeking out a better opportunity elsewhere. Same with any player. That was certainly my view on Parra, which I accurately predicted over many Texas fans’ objections. I don’t think the situation is as clear cut with Kahahawai just yet, so we’ll see. Singletary is in a similar situation, as are 4 of the 5 true freshman coming in who aren’t named Swindle. It’s part of the package when you commit to Texas. It’s not for everyone. On the other hand, they just got the chance to be a part of a national championship winning team. Feeling like they can be a part of the group that defends the title has to be compelling on some level. And it’s not like there’s not a clear window of playing time after Phillips’ departure. I’m not wholly convinced Kahahawai couldn’t win that starting position this year, to be honest. Phillips has been an awesome player for Texas throughout her career, but she’s not an overwhelming force. She’s crafty, reliable, and a long time veteran. But that doesn’t make her irreplaceable in the same sense Skinner or O’Neal are.
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 10, 2023 16:17:21 GMT -5
No shade, but a lot of people in the know - college coaches, big wigs in the club scene, USAV pipeline - were hyping Orr as the next big thing in setting. John Cook was out there saying things like she could do things with the ball that he rarely ever saw. I have no comment about the injury (though I fail to see how a recovering knee injury means a setter can't accurately locate a ball, consistently, without doubling it), but suggesting that Orr, as a setter, can't quickly adjust to a different tempo ball, sounds kind of silly, to say the least. Sounds a bit "shady" to me.
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Post by rjaege on Feb 10, 2023 16:20:27 GMT -5
Congrats to Anni. How many on here, many Nebraska fans, mused she wasn’t a good or even a division one player? So much for the amateur experts. A hot program in the best place for warm weather by an ocean in the United States. I wonder, a little, if Nebraska’s problems at setter location and termination the last few years is in the coaching? Is it paranoia or just not elite players? I mean we have made a few recent final fours. I get greedy. Congrats to Anni. Great young lady whose VB skills are opening education opportunities for her. My understanding is that NE does not offer the education opportunity she wants. As far as her setting skills at NE, I never thought that was the issue that limited her at NE. It was her height, 5'8", which put her at a disadvantage to run a 6-1 system, especially against the taller teams in the B1G, including WI, which BTW just got taller.
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