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Post by slxpress on Dec 6, 2022 4:07:37 GMT -5
I was already told by bkedane that the top coaches don't even know what culture means, and that it's secondary to bringing in top talent in any case. Of course, if you're Nebraska and you practically get your pick of players, it might change the equation some. I thought I said that not all coaches mean the same thing by "culture," and that *some* coaches have told me that they don't know what the word means,and that not all of them say it is the single most important thing contributing to the success of their programs? No, all you said was you talked to 3 top coaches - all of them coaching teams competing in the Sweet 16 - and they said: "I asked three top volleyball coaches today what the most important ingredient is for the consistent success of their programs. Two said "recruiting" and one said "training" and none said "culture." I followed up and asked about culture. One said it is a factor. Two said they don't really know what people mean by that word." I don't know. Maybe one of the three coaches you talked to wasn't John Cook. He seems to know what he means by that word.
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Post by bkedane on Dec 6, 2022 4:14:23 GMT -5
I thought I said that not all coaches mean the same thing by "culture," and that *some* coaches have told me that they don't know what the word means,and that not all of them say it is the single most important thing contributing to the success of their programs? No, all you said was you talked to 3 top coaches - all of them coaching teams competing in the Sweet 16 - and they said: "I asked three top volleyball coaches today what the most important ingredient is for the consistent success of their programs. Two said "recruiting" and one said "training" and none said "culture." I followed up and asked about culture. One said it is a factor. Two said they don't really know what people mean by that word." I don't know. Maybe one of the three coaches you talked to wasn't John Cook. He seems to know what he means by that word. I did not talk to John Cook. I posted more than you quote here about your claim that "all" top coaches think culture is most important. I agreed that some say it is important.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 6, 2022 4:23:09 GMT -5
No, all you said was you talked to 3 top coaches - all of them coaching teams competing in the Sweet 16 - and they said: "I asked three top volleyball coaches today what the most important ingredient is for the consistent success of their programs. Two said "recruiting" and one said "training" and none said "culture." I followed up and asked about culture. One said it is a factor. Two said they don't really know what people mean by that word." I don't know. Maybe one of the three coaches you talked to wasn't John Cook. He seems to know what he means by that word. I did not talk to John Cook. I posted more than you quote here about your claim that "all" top coaches think culture is most important. I agreed that some say it is important. Here was the rest of it, then: "Division 1. Two still have their teams in the current tournament.
Lots of coaches do use the word these days. You're right about that. I don't know if they mean the same thing by it as each other or as you mean by it.
"Culture" wasn't as much of a coaching buzzword ten years ago. Back then we heard more mostly empty talk about the "core values" of programs, like "accountability" and other words carried over from corporate seminars and self-help books.
I do not doubt that some top coaches emphasize culture. I wondered about your original claim that they all do, and as more important than anything."_____________________________________________________ And this is how I responded in that thread: Whether a coach uses that buzzword or not, the idea of a program possessing certain values, and those values being passed down from one team to the next consistently, is ubiquitous. I would be shocked if a coach of any of the teams remaining didn't place an importance on that, whether they choose to use the word culture to describe it or not.I also acknowledged I found it impressive you could casually reach out to a few colleagues at the top of their profession and get an answer that quickly. I still do.
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Post by rjaege on Dec 6, 2022 4:59:34 GMT -5
I did not talk to John Cook. I posted more than you quote here about your claim that "all" top coaches think culture is most important. I agreed that some say it is important. Here was the rest of it, then: "Division 1. Two still have their teams in the current tournament.
Lots of coaches do use the word these days. You're right about that. I don't know if they mean the same thing by it as each other or as you mean by it.
"Culture" wasn't as much of a coaching buzzword ten years ago. Back then we heard more mostly empty talk about the "core values" of programs, like "accountability" and other words carried over from corporate seminars and self-help books.
I do not doubt that some top coaches emphasize culture. I wondered about your original claim that they all do, and as more important than anything."_____________________________________________________ And this is how I responded in that thread: Whether a coach uses that buzzword or not, the idea of a program possessing certain values, and those values being passed down from one team to the next consistently, is ubiquitous. I would be shocked if a coach of any of the teams remaining didn't place an importance on that, whether they choose to use the word culture to describe it or not.I also acknowledged I found it impressive you could casually reach out to a few colleagues at the top of their profession and get an answer that quickly. I still do. Seems this discussion is tangent to this thread. Whatever you call it, the transfer portal and open transfer rules has opened opportunities for SA's and they are taking advantage of these opportunities. The losers: coaches in upcoming programs that are really good at developing players not top rated coming out of high school. The winners: well currently TX ... JJ ...
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Dec 6, 2022 8:27:34 GMT -5
They've been in the toilet since Marci took over. Players have cited team drama, poor coaching, bad culture, etc. And of course they're losing consistently so who knows how long Byers will hang on. Players transferring out after just one season isn't a good look. I would be hesitant to play there if I were a PSA. Ok. Let's look at the transfer from Virginia Tech. Last Year 1 kid was academic related 1 kid got two codes of conduct via VT that Marci tried to help but couldn't. 2 kids didn't want to follow the drinking policy and decided to leave on their own Only one of those kid went P5 as a walk on everyone else dropped a level which was good for them. This Year 3 are grads that VT didn't have money for. 4 are walk ons who didn't play or didn't play much (one had health issues, that was the call by the medical staff.) 1 scholarship kid who got into 2 matches Virginia Tech has not lost a full time starter to the portal. Character assassination is the norm here, people love to do it behind pseudonyms, if that's how you get your giggles, then by all means do it. Just remember that ED prescriptions are cheap and more effective. Sounds like Marci is flushing the toilet. Good for her. You don't win with entitlement and lack of discipline.
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Post by volleyfan on Dec 6, 2022 8:54:22 GMT -5
We could see a major change in how the portal works soon. If you’re paying attention to football, you’ll see that Deion Sanders leaving JSU for Colorado has caused a major move among P5 5 stars into the portal. The powers that be won’t like this. I’m sure they will figure out some more rules around portal entry soon. This is obviously speculation but Nick Saban losing players to Colorado is the kind of thing that can shift a lot in college sports.
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Post by notwvb on Dec 6, 2022 9:09:05 GMT -5
We could see a major change in how the portal works soon. If you’re paying attention to football, you’ll see that Deion Sanders leaving JSU for Colorado has caused a major move among P5 5 stars into the portal. The powers that be won’t like this. I’m sure they will figure out some more rules around portal entry soon. This is obviously speculation but Nick Saban losing players to Colorado is the kind of thing that can shift a lot in college sports. Nick Saban and his like can suck eggs. The portal just facilitates player freedom of movement, one-time transfer without penalty. Shouldn't be any changes to the portal adverse to the SA. NIL $ is a different matter.
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Post by PostPrime on Dec 6, 2022 9:28:51 GMT -5
We could see a major change in how the portal works soon. If you’re paying attention to football, you’ll see that Deion Sanders leaving JSU for Colorado has caused a major move among P5 5 stars into the portal. The powers that be won’t like this. I’m sure they will figure out some more rules around portal entry soon. This is obviously speculation but Nick Saban losing players to Colorado is the kind of thing that can shift a lot in college sports. Nick Saban and his like can suck eggs. The portal just facilitates player freedom of movement, one-time transfer without penalty. Shouldn't be any changes to the portal adverse to the SA. NIL $ is a different matter. I agree with that mostly. But the facts about the portal success need to be examined and made known to the athletes. Most of the players going in, aren’t coming out with better scholarship situations.
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 6, 2022 9:47:43 GMT -5
We could see a major change in how the portal works soon. If you’re paying attention to football, you’ll see that Deion Sanders leaving JSU for Colorado has caused a major move among P5 5 stars into the portal. The powers that be won’t like this. I’m sure they will figure out some more rules around portal entry soon. This is obviously speculation but Nick Saban losing players to Colorado is the kind of thing that can shift a lot in college sports. Where did you get the idea that Sanders going to Colorado is causing 5 stars to enter the portal?
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Post by hipsterfilth on Dec 6, 2022 9:51:13 GMT -5
We could see a major change in how the portal works soon. If you’re paying attention to football, you’ll see that Deion Sanders leaving JSU for Colorado has caused a major move among P5 5 stars into the portal. The powers that be won’t like this. I’m sure they will figure out some more rules around portal entry soon. This is obviously speculation but Nick Saban losing players to Colorado is the kind of thing that can shift a lot in college sports. Where did you get the idea that Sanders going to Colorado is causing 5 stars to enter the portal? ... ? Seriously a bizarre sentiment. Sanders coached at Jackson State -- we think players are clambering to enter the portal as fast as they can to go play for him at Colorado?
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Post by whatway2 on Dec 6, 2022 10:14:47 GMT -5
Where did you get the idea that Sanders going to Colorado is causing 5 stars to enter the portal? ... ? Seriously a bizarre sentiment. Sanders coached at Jackson State -- we think players are clambering to enter the portal as fast as they can to go play for him at Colorado? I think it's because a former five star recruit tweeted at him asking if he had room and that he had a five star recruit coming to Jackson State whose commitment to Jackson State is now questionable. www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/alabama-deion-sanders-alabama-transfer-trey-sanders-portal-5-star-running-back/. Read that in a couple minutes of research. But unsure why I'm talking about football as not a fan.
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Post by karma on Dec 6, 2022 10:18:38 GMT -5
Can we keep this thread to portal TEA? not random portal dialogue there are a billion other threads for that
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Post by hipsterfilth on Dec 6, 2022 10:22:59 GMT -5
Can we keep this thread to portal TEA? not random portal dialogue there are a billion other threads for that Could you please create a thread specifically for complaining about the transfer portal tea thread? There's a million other threads for complaining about threads. Point taken tho -- we can stop talking about football transfers now
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Post by volleyfan on Dec 6, 2022 10:48:56 GMT -5
Can we keep this thread to portal TEA? not random portal dialogue there are a billion other threads for that Could you please create a thread specifically for complaining about the transfer portal tea thread? There's a million other threads for complaining about threads. Point taken tho -- we can stop talking about football transfers now lol... The NCAA portal isn't just about volleyball. Unfortunately, volleyball is affected by decisions made about football and basketball more than we want and its worth noticing.
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Post by horchato on Dec 6, 2022 10:54:28 GMT -5
Such a shame that it seems like all 10 (!) seniors/graduate students are departing the volleyball program at Northwestern. TTA, Becker, Lesiak, Cannon, etc. all in the portal.
Definitely raises some eyebrows about the team's coaching, culture, etc. Wonder if this has anything to do with the COVID year non-COVID game suspensions. When fully healthy, Northwestern was talented; moving forward, back to bottom 1/3 of the Big Ten. What a shame.
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