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Post by Fight On! on Dec 4, 2022 0:07:12 GMT -5
Why are you stressing? You’re pressed about a transfer that have literally zero to do with you. And you’re posting from behind a screen to slam a young woman you don’t even know. How can that benefit you or this forum? It doesn’t. Just answer my question about who Fields competed against since January to "win" back-row rotations. I figured you'd try and divert from it, and you did. Answer my question, why are you so invested in dragging a young woman? Why are you choosing to be nasty instead of supportive? It says a lot more about you than it says about SC. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 4, 2022 0:07:56 GMT -5
She clearly needs to improve but she is also playing injured  That sucks. I hope she gets the rest and rehab she needs so she can come back in full form for next season. She has two more years of eligibility right? 1 more year. I think. |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 4, 2022 0:09:23 GMT -5
If Sky stays for her last year she will have a stellar season in B1G. I hope she does.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 4, 2022 0:13:54 GMT -5
If Sky stays for her last year she will have a stellar season in B1G. I hope she does. She will be amazing. She already is. Her only regret should be wasting her time playing for the scrotum. |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 4, 2022 0:44:23 GMT -5
If Sky stays for her last year she will have a stellar season in B1G. I hope she does. USC won’t move to the B1G until 2024, so her final season would be in the PAC 12. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Dec 4, 2022 3:52:46 GMT -5
USC has lots of young pieces to work with. I am optimistic about them in the B1G. They improve defensively (ball control and block) in the next couple years and they are back to the team we expect with the name 'USC' to be under the nearly 20 years Mick was there. SC took Stanford, the runaway PAC champion, to 5. I think you're underestimating how much that defense will need to improve. Agreed, they're all young -- but Fields carries the team offensively, and won't be on the roster when they move over. I think the first few seasons will be rough, but the ship will be righted. There's no reason they cant compete in the B1G, I just don't think this group will be the one that makes them competitive. I would loooove to be wrong though. Stanford fans have been quoting Hambley preseason saying the reason for the subpar performance last fall was due to lack of a developmental season in Spring of 2021, and that they are so much better this fall because of development in Spring of 2022. USC essentially had no development season in Spring of 2022. Important freshman came in the fall with no prep (Wilson, Trubint, Verbiest, Famuina), some transfers came in the fall and others were unavailable for various reasons. This Spring, like Stanford last Spring, will be completely different. Expect a USC team next fall in place of the random collection of talent thrown together this fall. |
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Post by tudbud on Dec 4, 2022 20:47:54 GMT -5
Like he is not giving skinner the chance? I’m sure they are all given pretty even chances. If what is shown at SC was the effort she was putting in at Texas it’s pretty clear why she didn’t play 6 ros Why has Logan played 3-ro? Elliot can’t coach. We all know that. Elliott is a fantastic coach. If you don’t buy in the program you’re out. So, how’s your round of 32 going? |
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Post by oldnewbie on Dec 4, 2022 21:09:38 GMT -5
Why has Logan played 3-ro? Elliot can’t coach. We all know that. Elliott is a fantastic coach. If you don’t buy in the program you’re out. So, how’s your round of 32 going? Elliott was meh for his first 3 years at Texas after coming over from USC, where he was interim coach while USC waited for Olympic and former Texas coach Haley ( I always have wondered what would have happened if USC just kept Elliott instead). Elliott had his first #1 recruiting class in his 3rd year. Keller just brought in his first #1 recruiting class in his 3rd year. Elliott did not make the tournament his 3rd year and did not not win his first conference title until his 7th season (tied with Nebraska). Elliott won his first conference title outright in his 9th season. So, when you ask "How is your round of 32 doing?", the answer is a lot better than Elliott's third season, and after 3 years Keller is on a similar trajectory as Elliott. The next 4 seasons will define Keller, not the last 3. |
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Post by hammer on Dec 4, 2022 23:10:08 GMT -5
Keller is bringing in talent. If he can get some development in the off season, top 3 in the Pac is achievable. Stanford will be very, very good next year losing no key starters, and ditto for Washington State. Oregon should be solid too, although they lose Nuneviller and Mutiri.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 4, 2022 23:28:12 GMT -5
Elliott is a fantastic coach. If you don’t buy in the program you’re out. So, how’s your round of 32 going? Elliott was meh for his first 3 years at Texas after coming over from USC, where he was interim coach while USC waited for Olympic and former Texas coach Haley ( I always have wondered what would have happened if USC just kept Elliott instead). Elliott had his first #1 recruiting class in his 3rd year. Keller just brought in his first #1 recruiting class in his 3rd year. Elliott did not make the tournament his 3rd year and did not not win his first conference title until his 7th season (tied with Nebraska). Elliott won his first conference title outright in his 9th season. So, when you ask "How is your round of 32 doing?", the answer is a lot better than Elliott's third season, and after 3 years Keller is on a similar trajectory as Elliott. The next 4 seasons will define Keller, not the last 3. Not to mention there was no portal back then, so there were no Fields or Tuaniga type players stepping in. And you know USC is going to get someone good from the portal this coming offseason. As much as anything else I think you’re seeing the result of some bad blood apparently building between a select group of Texas fans who see Fields struggling in some aspects of playing 6 rotations and making some shady comments about that and the perceived impact she had in the locker room, versus some USC fans who are rightfully defending her while at the same time throwing accusations around about how hated Elliott is by everyone who plays for him and their pet nickname for him - allegedly Scrotum. Not really the foundation for a productive and sensible exchange of dialogue. Not criticizing it particularly. Just acknowledging the reality of the dynamic. As far as Elliott staying at USC, he would have built something similar to what he did at Texas. There’s nothing so magically better at Texas that allowed him to succeed that USC doesn’t have to an equal or greater degree. Whatever people think of him as a coach, he’s unbelievably good as a manager of a program. He’s gifted in managing above, laterally, and to his direct reports. He’s good at identifying talented support people, attracting them, and keeping them. He induces extreme levels of loyalty in the people who work with him. We can argue how much of that matters in terms of building a competitive volleyball program, but in my opinion all of those qualities of Elliott’s are grossly underestimated by his critics. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Dec 5, 2022 2:58:33 GMT -5
Not to mention there was no portal back then, so there were no Fields or Tuaniga type players stepping in. And you know USC is going to get someone good from the portal this coming offseason. As much as anything else I think you’re seeing the result of some bad blood apparently building between a select group of Texas fans who see Fields struggling in some aspects of playing 6 rotations and making some shady comments about that and the perceived impact she had in the locker room, versus some USC fans who are rightfully defending her while at the same time throwing accusations around about how hated Elliott is by everyone who plays for him and their pet nickname for him - allegedly Scrotum. Not really the foundation for a productive and sensible exchange of dialogue. Not criticizing it particularly. Just acknowledging the reality of the dynamic. As far as Elliott staying at USC, he would have built something similar to what he did at Texas. There’s nothing so magically better at Texas that allowed him to succeed that USC doesn’t have to an equal or greater degree. Whatever people think of him as a coach, he’s unbelievably good as a manager of a program. He’s gifted in managing above, laterally, and to his direct reports. He’s good at identifying talented support people, attracting them, and keeping them. He induces extreme levels of loyalty in the people who work with him. We can argue how much of that matters in terms of building a competitive volleyball program, but in my opinion all of those qualities of Elliott’s are grossly underestimated by his critics. The one thing beyond dispute is that Elliott is a great recruiter, to the point that over an extended period (20+ years now) Texas is among the truly elite as far as quality of roster year in and year out. You are literally talking about only 4 schools at that level for that length of time, Penn St., Nebraska, Stanford and Texas. |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 5, 2022 4:18:39 GMT -5
Not to mention there was no portal back then, so there were no Fields or Tuaniga type players stepping in. And you know USC is going to get someone good from the portal this coming offseason. As much as anything else I think you’re seeing the result of some bad blood apparently building between a select group of Texas fans who see Fields struggling in some aspects of playing 6 rotations and making some shady comments about that and the perceived impact she had in the locker room, versus some USC fans who are rightfully defending her while at the same time throwing accusations around about how hated Elliott is by everyone who plays for him and their pet nickname for him - allegedly Scrotum. Not really the foundation for a productive and sensible exchange of dialogue. Not criticizing it particularly. Just acknowledging the reality of the dynamic. As far as Elliott staying at USC, he would have built something similar to what he did at Texas. There’s nothing so magically better at Texas that allowed him to succeed that USC doesn’t have to an equal or greater degree. Whatever people think of him as a coach, he’s unbelievably good as a manager of a program. He’s gifted in managing above, laterally, and to his direct reports. He’s good at identifying talented support people, attracting them, and keeping them. He induces extreme levels of loyalty in the people who work with him. We can argue how much of that matters in terms of building a competitive volleyball program, but in my opinion all of those qualities of Elliott’s are grossly underestimated by his critics. The one thing beyond dispute is that Elliott is a great recruiter, to the point that over an extended period (20+ years now) Texas is among the truly elite as far as quality of roster year in and year out. You are literally talking about only 4 schools at that level for that length of time, Penn St., Nebraska, Stanford and Texas. Sure, but what that implies is that he just rolls the ball out there with talented players and voila! The magic happens. There's more to it than that to build a program that's experienced the consistent success Texas has under his watch. There's a reason why people stick with him for years. Why Tonya Johnson came back to Texas after her stint at Georgia Tech. Why players like Eggleston, Phillips, and O'Neal stay extra years. It's not just the recruiting. There's convincing the administration to invest money into volleyball over other programs. There's everything he did to build the home court advantage Gregory Gym represents. That didn't happen by accident. That was all Elliott's vision, at a school that has a reputation for wine and cheese home crowds. There's being a successful man coaching a woman's sport under a women's athletic director (now reassigned) who had a strong preference for women in that role. There's courting better coverage of volleyball from local media. There's building up the booster support. There's cultivating the incredible level of diversity Texas enjoys on their roster and among their fan base. Compare what a volleyball crowd at Texas looks like to some of the other sports on campus, or to other volleyball crowds around the country. Everyone wants to think that Texas is simply rich, in a state with great volleyball talent and a good tradition, and Elliott is practically an order taker who woke up one day and was gifted the equivalent of the lottery in terms of volleyball programs. It didn't work that way. The guy built the program from the ground up after it had been turned into a shambles under Jim Moore's 4 year reign. That's after Mick Haley had been sent packing because he wanted more money and a greater investment in volleyball, along with the freedom to coach the national team. There's way more to the guy than just being able to recruit well, but that's what people like to boil it down to. Sure, he recruits really well. But that by itself would not be enough for Texas to have the resume they do under him. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Dec 5, 2022 8:52:14 GMT -5
The one thing beyond dispute is that Elliott is a great recruiter, to the point that over an extended period (20+ years now) Texas is among the truly elite as far as quality of roster year in and year out. You are literally talking about only 4 schools at that level for that length of time, Penn St., Nebraska, Stanford and Texas. Sure, but what that implies is that he just rolls the ball out there with talented players and voila! The magic happens. ... Not at all. I in no way implied that. I literally just said that he has built a program in the same stratosphere as Rose, Cook and Shaw/Dunning (withholding judgement on Hambly). The fact you could take that as a negative shows how weirdly warped discussion of Texas volleyball has become. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 10:11:03 GMT -5
If Sky stays for her last year she will have a stellar season in B1G. I hope she does. She will be amazing. She already is. Her only regret should be wasting her time playing for the scrotum. Yes and what an improvement all together for USC by getting into the tournament this year! |
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Post by tudbud on Dec 7, 2022 21:19:29 GMT -5
The one thing beyond dispute is that Elliott is a great recruiter, to the point that over an extended period (20+ years now) Texas is among the truly elite as far as quality of roster year in and year out. You are literally talking about only 4 schools at that level for that length of time, Penn St., Nebraska, Stanford and Texas. Sure, but what that implies is that he just rolls the ball out there with talented players and voila! The magic happens. There's more to it than that to build a program that's experienced the consistent success Texas has under his watch. There's a reason why people stick with him for years. Why Tonya Johnson came back to Texas after her stint at Georgia Tech. Why players like Eggleston, Phillips, and O'Neal stay extra years. It's not just the recruiting. There's convincing the administration to invest money into volleyball over other programs. There's everything he did to build the home court advantage Gregory Gym represents. That didn't happen by accident. That was all Elliott's vision, at a school that has a reputation for wine and cheese home crowds. There's being a successful man coaching a woman's sport under a women's athletic director (now reassigned) who had a strong preference for women in that role. There's courting better coverage of volleyball from local media. There's building up the booster support. There's cultivating the incredible level of diversity Texas enjoys on their roster and among their fan base. Compare what a volleyball crowd at Texas looks like to some of the other sports on campus, or to other volleyball crowds around the country. Everyone wants to think that Texas is simply rich, in a state with great volleyball talent and a good tradition, and Elliott is practically an order taker who woke up one day and was gifted the equivalent of the lottery in terms of volleyball programs. It didn't work that way. The guy built the program from the ground up after it had been turned into a shambles under Jim Moore's 4 year reign. That's after Mick Haley had been sent packing because he wanted more money and a greater investment in volleyball, along with the freedom to coach the national team. There's way more to the guy than just being able to recruit well, but that's what people like to boil it down to. Sure, he recruits really well. But that by itself would not be enough for Texas to have the resume they do under him. could not agree more |
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