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Post by volleyaudience on Jan 6, 2023 9:58:09 GMT -5
Disappointed to hear that the school has a reputation of arrogant comments to recruits. I'd be sad to hear any school talk like that. Very disappointed to hear it might be a strongly embedded part of the culture.
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Post by bkedane on Jan 6, 2023 11:47:56 GMT -5
All of this alleged "bad culture" and terrible stories about recruiting and somehow UNC had a recent top 10 recruiting class.
I wonder what could explain that?
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Post by dodger on Jan 6, 2023 12:02:30 GMT -5
All of this alleged "bad culture" and terrible stories about recruiting and somehow UNC had a recent top 10 recruiting class. I wonder what could explain that? Thank you bk💪🏽. Rumors acting like truth’s disparaging and attempting to effect professional reputations!
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Post by volleyheels10 on Jan 6, 2023 12:29:39 GMT -5
All of this alleged "bad culture" and terrible stories about recruiting and somehow UNC had a recent top 10 recruiting class. I wonder what could explain that? Things may look shiny on the outside, but be dull on the inside. Susan Clements was a saleswoman and was very good at recruiting players through pointing out all the positive and making promises to players. I have to applaud her recruiting abilities, not necessarily the tactics. Then when they got to UNC, it was a different story. Hence, so many transfers after only 1 year. This top 10 class seems to be staying and guess who isn't there? Susan Clements.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 6, 2023 12:42:06 GMT -5
All of this alleged "bad culture" and terrible stories about recruiting and somehow UNC had a recent top 10 recruiting class. I wonder what could explain that? There are girls who hold the school in high esteem and desire to go there. Not really a big mystery.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 6, 2023 12:45:00 GMT -5
All of this alleged "bad culture" and terrible stories about recruiting and somehow UNC had a recent top 10 recruiting class. I wonder what could explain that? Thank you bk💪🏽. Rumors acting like truth’s disparaging and attempting to effect professional reputations! I don’t think anyone is attempting to “effect professional reputations”. I merely shared what our experience was, and to my surprise others reported similar experiences. No more, no less.
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Post by JustInCase on Jan 6, 2023 15:05:52 GMT -5
All of this alleged "bad culture" and terrible stories about recruiting and somehow UNC had a recent top 10 recruiting class. I wonder what could explain that? They fired an assistant coach mid-season and didn't say a word about it. That mean anything to you? Schools don't make an announcement when these things happen. Other than the head coach, it is very, very rare that a school makes an announcement when one leaves (or is asked to leave) mid-season. Hell, it's rare that a school announces that an assistant leaves at the end of the year under the best of circumstances.
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Post by JustInCase on Jan 6, 2023 15:14:53 GMT -5
People are pitiful with the negative comments on this thread. It's obvious by the comments that you only want to harm UNC.
I'm not a player, alum or have a particular affiliation to the school or program, but what is being spewed here is utter crap.
To make a comment that Coach Sagula will play a kid "to burn eligibility in one or two sets" is horsecrap. First of all, you don't even know the rules....one or two sets wouldn't cause a student-athlete to lose a year of eligibility. So if you are going to make up lies, at least get your NCAA rules right.
Second, Joe Sagula is not only a fantastic coach, but he and Mike are two of the most highly regarded people in the volleyball game. Was Susan a disaster? Yes. Should it have been dealt with earlier? Yes. Joe's great character was his downfall in this situation. He is fiercely loyal to everyone around him - including Susan, who he has known for years. His loyalty to her created a bigger problem and should have been dealt with earlier.
You don't have to agree with Joe or like UNC, but you need to know one thing. Joe is highly respected...and that includes inside Carolina.
He will retire when he feels like it, not before.
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Post by InfoBot on Jan 6, 2023 15:46:03 GMT -5
People are pitiful with the negative comments on this thread. It's obvious by the comments that you only want to harm UNC. I'm not a player, alum or have a particular affiliation to the school or program, but what is being spewed here is utter crap. To make a comment that Coach Sagula will play a kid "to burn eligibility in one or two sets" is horsecrap. First of all, you don't even know the rules....one or two sets wouldn't cause a student-athlete to lose a year of eligibility. So if you are going to make up lies, at least get your NCAA rules right.
Second, Joe Sagula is not only a fantastic coach, but he and Mike are two of the most highly regarded people in the volleyball game. Was Susan a disaster? Yes. Should it have been dealt with earlier? Yes. Joe's great character was his downfall in this situation. He is fiercely loyal to everyone around him - including Susan, who he has known for years. His loyalty to her created a bigger problem and should have been dealt with earlier. You don't have to agree with Joe or like UNC, but you need to know one thing. Joe is highly respected...and that includes inside Carolina. He will retire when he feels like it, not before. I am also an impartial third party, have only heard good things about Sagula as a person, and would love UNC to be an ACC power house--which I think they're capable of with the institution's prestige and the youth talent in NC. However, I do want to note that in volleyball, playing in any match negates your ability to take a non medical redshirt.
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Post by Norah Sus on Jan 6, 2023 15:49:28 GMT -5
People are pitiful with the negative comments on this thread. It's obvious by the comments that you only want to harm UNC. I'm not a player, alum or have a particular affiliation to the school or program, but what is being spewed here is utter crap. To make a comment that Coach Sagula will play a kid "to burn eligibility in one or two sets" is horsecrap. First of all, you don't even know the rules....one or two sets wouldn't cause a student-athlete to lose a year of eligibility. So if you are going to make up lies, at least get your NCAA rules right. Second, Joe Sagula is not only a fantastic coach, but he and Mike are two of the most highly regarded people in the volleyball game. Was Susan a disaster? Yes. Should it have been dealt with earlier? Yes. Joe's great character was his downfall in this situation. He is fiercely loyal to everyone around him - including Susan, who he has known for years. His loyalty to her created a bigger problem and should have been dealt with earlier. You don't have to agree with Joe or like UNC, but you need to know one thing. Joe is highly respected...and that includes inside Carolina. He will retire when he feels like it, not before. Not part of the conversation here but wanted to correct one thing: you can lose a year of eligibility if you play one or two sets IF those sets occur after the first 30% of the team’s competitions. (Basically, to make it so that you can’t sit all year, then play during the season finale, and still redshirt.) You can get a medical hardship after the 30% usually if it’s close but it’s not guaranteed. So if I sat out all season and then played just one time as a serving sub for half a rotation halfway through the year, I would burn a year of eligibility without an exception being granted. (And technically, that exception is only granted if it’s a season ending injury that happened during or after my play in that set.)
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Post by InfoBot on Jan 6, 2023 16:29:30 GMT -5
People are pitiful with the negative comments on this thread. It's obvious by the comments that you only want to harm UNC. I'm not a player, alum or have a particular affiliation to the school or program, but what is being spewed here is utter crap. To make a comment that Coach Sagula will play a kid "to burn eligibility in one or two sets" is horsecrap. First of all, you don't even know the rules....one or two sets wouldn't cause a student-athlete to lose a year of eligibility. So if you are going to make up lies, at least get your NCAA rules right. Second, Joe Sagula is not only a fantastic coach, but he and Mike are two of the most highly regarded people in the volleyball game. Was Susan a disaster? Yes. Should it have been dealt with earlier? Yes. Joe's great character was his downfall in this situation. He is fiercely loyal to everyone around him - including Susan, who he has known for years. His loyalty to her created a bigger problem and should have been dealt with earlier. You don't have to agree with Joe or like UNC, but you need to know one thing. Joe is highly respected...and that includes inside Carolina. He will retire when he feels like it, not before. Not part of the conversation here but wanted to correct one thing: you can lose a year of eligibility if you play one or two sets IF those sets occur after the first 30% of the team’s competitions. Can you tell me where I can read the NCAA rule on this? I only ask because I went back to watch Nebraska vs TAMU-CC after I heard CC's libero was headed to Texas and I remember the announcer making a comment about H Kubik not redshirting when she entered the match. Sorry y'all, I'll try to make this my only non-UNC specific comment in this thread.
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Post by undercoverheel on Jan 6, 2023 16:58:28 GMT -5
People are pitiful with the negative comments on this thread. It's obvious by the comments that you only want to harm UNC…Joe Sagula is not only a fantastic coach, but he and Mike are two of the most highly regarded people in the volleyball game…Joe is highly respected...and that includes inside Carolina. THANK YOU so much for combatting the negativity. It’s been killing me! No idea what the next 12 months holds for the Tarheels, but support and respect is all I (and MANY people who KNOW) have for those guys. Just like on most benches/sidelines—negativity always seems to catch on like wildfire while spreading positivity/encouragement always seems to feel like trying to move a mountain. All I have is love and support for the Heels!
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Post by deepsouthfan on Jan 6, 2023 20:42:18 GMT -5
I would imagine the history between Jade Demps mom and Mike, I highly doubt UNC was ever in consideration. Didn’t know there was prior history. That also explains not going after a quality player. When I saw she was from Raleigh, I just wondered if she was a consideration. Was never… period
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 7, 2023 9:46:42 GMT -5
Didn’t know there was prior history. That also explains not going after a quality player. When I saw she was from Raleigh, I just wondered if she was a consideration. Was never… period If you're talking about Demps, then that's a shame. She's a quality player who would've added depth to their program.
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Post by MonicaGeller on Jan 7, 2023 10:51:55 GMT -5
Problems at UNC started when the assistant coaches (all of them left in 2018 I believe). And although players are generally not loyal to assistants - this created a huge wave of transfers out (Scoles, Leath, Carlton, Borup etc) New players were recruited via transfer portal to fill these holes (Wine, Tontai, Atherton) and new coaching staff had to be hired. Players that were in the process of being recruited still committed (Howard, Peck, Austin,Diaz, Wurl) to UNC but then many of them transferred out after the first or second year ((Cox, Harrison, Bell, Reed, Mitrovic etc)- hence more transfers portal players came in.(Phegley, zinger, Neelon, Robinson etc.) Other players came on their official visits and then decided not to stay (Sophie Fischer)
I think it is very difficult to build a decent culture and development when you have a revolving door of athletes and no one knows where they stand. Throw in a year or two of Covid where student athletes and staff are struggling and some serious injuries (Backs, shoulders, knees, concussions) and you have a recipe for a non winning team. Top that off with an assistant coach that no one likes and is allowed to run ruffshot over everyone and you have the situation as it currently is.
IF the current players stay and IF they can spend the time developing these athletes to their potential do I think this team can be good? Yes I do. Do I think some of the former athletes that have left could have made this a winning team, absolutely. Do I think it is circumstances that has put them into this situation - Probably.
I really hope that UNC hires a great assistant that can build on these CURRENT athletes and the ones coming in this year and that they manage to keep them and develop them.
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