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Post by 200backer on Feb 6, 2023 13:10:44 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, been reading for awhile (well since the 2021 Tournament) but first time posting.
I started paying very loose attention to the team/sport when I committed to go to Wisconsin in 2014, and have been increasingly more engaged/understand the sport more and more to where I now watch as many games as I can and read this often. Was thinking the other day what would be the best team/lineup of all time badgers, so I put together this but I want people who know more than I do's opinion:
BIG DISCLAIMERS: Major recency bias to the last few years because I understand what I'm watching way more and a big recency bias in general because I literally couldn't name a player older than Carlini (but from what I understand, a lot more success post carlini than before) ALSO, they must have actually played for the team so no TTA/Booth/Damrow allowed
Here is my best shot:
Starters: Setter: Carlini MBs: Rettke/Nelson RS: Devyn (DS Clark) OH: Haggerty, Franklin (DS and hitting out of back occasionally: Orzol) Libero: Barnes
Bench: Setter: Hilley MBs: Hart, Williams Pins: Duello, Loberg, Smrek, Gillis Small: Civita, Bates (same role as Orzol)
Okay now the real fun, people who know what they're talking about I want to see your opinions
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Post by stanfordvb on Feb 6, 2023 13:17:27 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, been reading for awhile (well since the 2021 Tournament) but first time posting. I started paying very loose attention to the team/sport when I committed to go to Wisconsin in 2014, and have been increasingly more engaged/understand the sport more and more to where I now watch as many games as I can and read this often. Was thinking the other day what would be the best team/lineup of all time badgers, so I put together this but I want people who know more than I do's opinion: BIG DISCLAIMERS: Major recency bias to the last few years because I understand what I'm watching way more and a big recency bias in general because I literally couldn't name a player older than Carlini (but from what I understand, a lot more success post carlini than before) ALSO, they must have actually played for the team so no TTA/Booth/Damrow allowed Here is my best shot: Starters: Setter: Carlini MBs: Rettke/Nelson RS: Devyn (DS Clark) OH: Haggerty, Franklin (DS and hitting out of back occasionally: Orzol) Libero: Barnes Bench: Setter: Hilley MBs: Hart, Williams Pins: Duello, Loberg, Smrek, Gillis Small: Civita, Bates (same role as Orzol) Okay now the real fun, people who know what they're talking about I want to see your opinions not a badger homer but my starters would be : carlini rettke / hart (her 5th year lol) haggerty / Franklin (ds bates) Robinson (ds clark) barnes I agree with most of your team except hart was better than nelson imo and I like bates over orzol as a ds for Franklin
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Post by 200backer on Feb 6, 2023 13:23:41 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, been reading for awhile (well since the 2021 Tournament) but first time posting. I started paying very loose attention to the team/sport when I committed to go to Wisconsin in 2014, and have been increasingly more engaged/understand the sport more and more to where I now watch as many games as I can and read this often. Was thinking the other day what would be the best team/lineup of all time badgers, so I put together this but I want people who know more than I do's opinion: BIG DISCLAIMERS: Major recency bias to the last few years because I understand what I'm watching way more and a big recency bias in general because I literally couldn't name a player older than Carlini (but from what I understand, a lot more success post carlini than before) ALSO, they must have actually played for the team so no TTA/Booth/Damrow allowed Here is my best shot: Starters: Setter: Carlini MBs: Rettke/Nelson RS: Devyn (DS Clark) OH: Haggerty, Franklin (DS and hitting out of back occasionally: Orzol) Libero: Barnes Bench: Setter: Hilley MBs: Hart, Williams Pins: Duello, Loberg, Smrek, Gillis Small: Civita, Bates (same role as Orzol) Okay now the real fun, people who know what they're talking about I want to see your opinions not a badger homer but my starters would be : carlini rettke / hart (her 5th year lol) haggerty / Franklin (ds bates) Robinson (ds clark) barnes I agree with most of your team except hart was better than nelson imo and I like bates over orzol as a ds for Franklin Okay looks like I did decent, as for nelson/hart. I think i may be overrating nelson just because she was there when I was there and was very like active/involved in the athletic dept so everyone knew who she was/and that she was good
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Post by Wiswell on Feb 6, 2023 13:43:32 GMT -5
Hey all. Brief diversion to the situation in Turkey. Check the Turkish league thread for the impact to volleyball from the earthquake. I realize it is far far from Istanbul, but let's hope no one from Guctekin's family are impacted.
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 6, 2023 13:50:23 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, been reading for awhile (well since the 2021 Tournament) but first time posting. I started paying very loose attention to the team/sport when I committed to go to Wisconsin in 2014, and have been increasingly more engaged/understand the sport more and more to where I now watch as many games as I can and read this often. Was thinking the other day what would be the best team/lineup of all time badgers, so I put together this but I want people who know more than I do's opinion: BIG DISCLAIMERS: Major recency bias to the last few years because I understand what I'm watching way more and a big recency bias in general because I literally couldn't name a player older than Carlini (but from what I understand, a lot more success post carlini than before) ALSO, they must have actually played for the team so no TTA/Booth/Damrow allowed Here is my best shot: Starters: Setter: Carlini MBs: Rettke/Nelson RS: Devyn (DS Clark) OH: Haggerty, Franklin (DS and hitting out of back occasionally: Orzol) Libero: Barnes Bench: Setter: Hilley MBs: Hart, Williams Pins: Duello, Loberg, Smrek, Gillis Small: Civita, Bates (same role as Orzol) Okay now the real fun, people who know what they're talking about I want to see your opinions not a badger homer but my starters would be : carlini rettke / hart (her 5th year lol) haggerty / Franklin (ds bates) Robinson (ds clark) barnes I agree with most of your team except hart was better than nelson imo and I like bates over orzol as a ds for Franklin Sherisa Livingston would have to be the other middle besides Rettke. She was a monster. Badgers have had some very good liberos over the years. Kuzma, Hickey, Wack... Bates and Orzol are very similar players in style. Not much separating them stats wise. Bates probably the better BR defender, Orzol a slightly better passer and more comfortable hitting out of the BR. Outside is an interesting problem, and who to DS for, is an interesting problem. Haggerty was not a very good passer by the end of her career, but she was good earlier. Chapman was pretty good passer and attacker, and a hell of a server. She had a great 2013.
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 6, 2023 13:59:13 GMT -5
Hey all. Brief diversion to the situation in Turkey. Check the Turkish league thread for the impact to volleyball from the earthquake. I realize it is far far from Istanbul, but let's hope no one from Guctekin's family are impacted. Been reading the news all morning. It's pretty terrible.
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Post by robtearle on Feb 6, 2023 14:09:18 GMT -5
Hey all. Brief diversion to the situation in Turkey. Check the Turkish league thread for the impact to volleyball from the earthquake. I realize it is far far from Istanbul, but let's hope no one from Guctekin's family are impacted. Not downplaying a 7.8 earthquake, and major aftershocks (I lived in suburban LA during the Northridge quake, as well as the Landers/Big Bear pair; I get it), but my understanding is that GG and family are from Istanbul area, and the quake zone was a good distance away. The US Geological Survey has tons of info on such things (for all quakes, not just the big ones), that you can look at. Here is the "shakezone" map for the main quake, where you can see Istanbul in relation to the epicenter(s) and the fault break. Istanbul likely felt it, but minimal to no damage. earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us6000jllz/shakemap/intensity
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Post by Wiswell on Feb 6, 2023 14:20:32 GMT -5
I did indicate it was far from Istanbul. NYTimes map shows it well as well. I would merely guess there could be family or friends in the eastern part.
On 9/11/01 it was amazing to me the first and second degrees of connection between my colleagues and someone they knew in NYC. So not out of the question.
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Post by pancake74 on Feb 6, 2023 14:39:53 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, been reading for awhile (well since the 2021 Tournament) but first time posting. I started paying very loose attention to the team/sport when I committed to go to Wisconsin in 2014, and have been increasingly more engaged/understand the sport more and more to where I now watch as many games as I can and read this often. Was thinking the other day what would be the best team/lineup of all time badgers, so I put together this but I want people who know more than I do's opinion: BIG DISCLAIMERS: Major recency bias to the last few years because I understand what I'm watching way more and a big recency bias in general because I literally couldn't name a player older than Carlini (but from what I understand, a lot more success post carlini than before) ALSO, they must have actually played for the team so no TTA/Booth/Damrow allowed Here is my best shot: Starters: Setter: Carlini MBs: Rettke/Nelson RS: Devyn (DS Clark) OH: Haggerty, Franklin (DS and hitting out of back occasionally: Orzol) Libero: Barnes Bench: Setter: Hilley MBs: Hart, Williams Pins: Duello, Loberg, Smrek, Gillis Small: Civita, Bates (same role as Orzol) Okay now the real fun, people who know what they're talking about I want to see your opinions not a badger homer but my starters would be : carlini rettke / hart (her 5th year lol) haggerty / Franklin (ds bates) Robinson (ds clark) barnes I agree with most of your team except hart was better than nelson imo and I like bates over orzol as a ds for Franklin This is pretty good. Agree with other poster that Sherisa Livingston and Rettke should be middles. For outside, I would go Erin Byrd and Haggerty. For opposite, I would say Robinson/Amy Lee. Anyone remember Claudia Rodriguez? She'd be a good backup. Libero Lauren Barnes/Sarah Urbanek with Clark as DS. Bates was inconsistent and better at reacting to offspeed rather than reading. I'd put Civita on the bench for DS, she made the players around her better and a tough server.
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Post by SportyBucky on Feb 6, 2023 15:27:40 GMT -5
In a 6-2, the OHs must pass and hit and play D and serve all at some reasonably effective level, because they will play 6 rotations in the badgers system. The OHs aren't going to get hidden in SR -- the badgers are not passing with two anytime soon and at this point I don't see the badgers seeing a DS in the BR to be worth the cost in subs. I imagine we haven't seen Wrobel because she wasn't as good at that balance as Demps. Demps' attacking and D were very good, but her passing was not good enough to permanently unseat Franklin or Orzol at OH. On the RS, Demps' blocking just wasn't strong enough. She really was perfect for the backrow role in Fall 2021. TTA has not really shown that balance thus far in her career either, IMO. That's why I think she may go to the right. I think Wrobel is a viable option on the left IF she can handle the BR duties at all. We haven't even seen her do that, so we don't know, but I have to guess if she was behind Demps that she had a ways to go, because Demps herself had a ways to go. If she can't improve enough, she will have to wait for Feuerbringer to bring back the 5-1 in 2024 before she has a shot. I don't understand your comment about Demps and Wrobel. Demps didn't play back row consistently when Wrobel was on the team. She barely played front row and it was only when Franklin was so abysmal they needed to give her a break, which in my opinion wasn't often enough.
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 6, 2023 16:19:08 GMT -5
In a 6-2, the OHs must pass and hit and play D and serve all at some reasonably effective level, because they will play 6 rotations in the badgers system. The OHs aren't going to get hidden in SR -- the badgers are not passing with two anytime soon and at this point I don't see the badgers seeing a DS in the BR to be worth the cost in subs. I imagine we haven't seen Wrobel because she wasn't as good at that balance as Demps. Demps' attacking and D were very good, but her passing was not good enough to permanently unseat Franklin or Orzol at OH. On the RS, Demps' blocking just wasn't strong enough. She really was perfect for the backrow role in Fall 2021. TTA has not really shown that balance thus far in her career either, IMO. That's why I think she may go to the right. I think Wrobel is a viable option on the left IF she can handle the BR duties at all. We haven't even seen her do that, so we don't know, but I have to guess if she was behind Demps that she had a ways to go, because Demps herself had a ways to go. If she can't improve enough, she will have to wait for Feuerbringer to bring back the 5-1 in 2024 before she has a shot. I don't understand your comment about Demps and Wrobel. Demps didn't play back row consistently when Wrobel was on the team. She barely played front row and it was only when Franklin was so abysmal they needed to give her a break, which in my opinion wasn't often enough. Someone said Wrobel will break into the team because she is a better hitter. I don't think that is enough. My point was that Wrobel was probably behind Demps on the depth chart this year for the same reason Demps was behind Franklin and Orzol. Even though Demps is probably a more terminal hitter than Orzol (and maybe could turn out to be as terminal as Franklin), she just couldn't pass like they needed a 6 rotation OH to pass in a 6-2. Wrobel might also turn out to be more terminal than Orzol, but like Demps she is not going to break into the team unless she can pass well enough. There is no point having a more terminal OH if the team as a whole becomes less terminal because no one can get a decent ball to hit. What does "well enough" mean? Well, the badgers are not going to want to backslide in the passing department. This year was just too rough. If Franklin and GG don't get better, that means Wrobel has to pass better than Orzol to get into the starting lineup as OH. That feels like a real stretch. But if GG improves her passing, Wrobel may only need to become a better passer than Franklin to break into the squad. That seems more possible.
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Post by Badger Alum on Feb 7, 2023 1:18:27 GMT -5
Agree with other poster that Sherisa Livingston and Rettke should be middles. For outside, I would go Erin Byrd and Haggerty. For opposite, I would say Robinson/Amy Lee. Anyone remember Claudia Rodriguez? She'd be a good backup. Sherisa and Dana are the 2 best MB in Wisconsin history. Period. Claudia Rodriguez was an absolute stud at RS. We win the 2000 NC if she stays healthy. That being said, Robinson is the best RS we've ever had. I also loved Erin Byrd. She was a great Badger and had a nice career on the AVP tour after college. But I'd go with Haggerty and Jenny Maastricht. I remember Cook brought in a professional team from overseas to scrimmage the Badgers and Maastricht dominated them. She was the only bright spot in that match. She couldn't pass well but she could really terminate.
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Post by bucky415 on Feb 7, 2023 6:21:17 GMT -5
Sherisa and Dana are the 2 best MB in Wisconsin history. Period. Claudia Rodriguez was an absolute stud at RS. We win the 2000 NC if she stays healthy. That being said, Robinson is the best RS we've ever had. I also loved Erin Byrd. She was a great Badger and had a nice career on the AVP tour after college. But I'd go with Haggerty and Jenny Maastricht. I remember Cook brought in a professional team from overseas to scrimmage the Badgers and Maastricht dominated them. She was the only bright spot in that match. She couldn't pass well but she could really terminate. I learned the game watching the Badgers from 1999 onward. If my memory is not wrong, knowing what I do now, Byrd was a very good back row player for a left side her first two years, then evolved into being more of an offensive threat when she needed to take a bigger role in her last two. To be fair, however, she had a huge kill when UCLA had rallied to tie it 12 in the fifth set of the 2000 Regional Final. Maastricht could go off on you, for sure.
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Post by Wiswell on Feb 7, 2023 9:19:00 GMT -5
Brittney Dolgner was a darn good OH. I realize there was some baggage there but we should keep her in the conversation.
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Post by Badger Alum on Feb 7, 2023 12:47:04 GMT -5
Brittney Dolgner was a darn good OH. I realize there was some baggage there but we should keep her in the conversation. Dolgner was really good. Too bad her career arc didn't continue to grow. She was really good as a freshman. Her match vs Texas at the Field House was pretty exciting to watch (even though Texas steamrolled the Badgers that day) as she played so well.
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