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Post by pancake74 on Feb 6, 2023 14:39:53 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, been reading for awhile (well since the 2021 Tournament) but first time posting. I started paying very loose attention to the team/sport when I committed to go to Wisconsin in 2014, and have been increasingly more engaged/understand the sport more and more to where I now watch as many games as I can and read this often. Was thinking the other day what would be the best team/lineup of all time badgers, so I put together this but I want people who know more than I do's opinion: BIG DISCLAIMERS: Major recency bias to the last few years because I understand what I'm watching way more and a big recency bias in general because I literally couldn't name a player older than Carlini (but from what I understand, a lot more success post carlini than before) ALSO, they must have actually played for the team so no TTA/Booth/Damrow allowed Here is my best shot: Starters: Setter: Carlini MBs: Rettke/Nelson RS: Devyn (DS Clark) OH: Haggerty, Franklin (DS and hitting out of back occasionally: Orzol) Libero: Barnes Bench: Setter: Hilley MBs: Hart, Williams Pins: Duello, Loberg, Smrek, Gillis Small: Civita, Bates (same role as Orzol) Okay now the real fun, people who know what they're talking about I want to see your opinions not a badger homer but my starters would be : carlini rettke / hart (her 5th year lol) haggerty / Franklin (ds bates) Robinson (ds clark) barnes I agree with most of your team except hart was better than nelson imo and I like bates over orzol as a ds for Franklin This is pretty good. Agree with other poster that Sherisa Livingston and Rettke should be middles. For outside, I would go Erin Byrd and Haggerty. For opposite, I would say Robinson/Amy Lee. Anyone remember Claudia Rodriguez? She'd be a good backup. Libero Lauren Barnes/Sarah Urbanek with Clark as DS. Bates was inconsistent and better at reacting to offspeed rather than reading. I'd put Civita on the bench for DS, she made the players around her better and a tough server. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Feb 6, 2023 15:27:40 GMT -5
In a 6-2, the OHs must pass and hit and play D and serve all at some reasonably effective level, because they will play 6 rotations in the badgers system. The OHs aren't going to get hidden in SR -- the badgers are not passing with two anytime soon and at this point I don't see the badgers seeing a DS in the BR to be worth the cost in subs. I imagine we haven't seen Wrobel because she wasn't as good at that balance as Demps. Demps' attacking and D were very good, but her passing was not good enough to permanently unseat Franklin or Orzol at OH. On the RS, Demps' blocking just wasn't strong enough. She really was perfect for the backrow role in Fall 2021. TTA has not really shown that balance thus far in her career either, IMO. That's why I think she may go to the right. I think Wrobel is a viable option on the left IF she can handle the BR duties at all. We haven't even seen her do that, so we don't know, but I have to guess if she was behind Demps that she had a ways to go, because Demps herself had a ways to go. If she can't improve enough, she will have to wait for Feuerbringer to bring back the 5-1 in 2024 before she has a shot. I don't understand your comment about Demps and Wrobel. Demps didn't play back row consistently when Wrobel was on the team. She barely played front row and it was only when Franklin was so abysmal they needed to give her a break, which in my opinion wasn't often enough. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 6, 2023 16:19:08 GMT -5
In a 6-2, the OHs must pass and hit and play D and serve all at some reasonably effective level, because they will play 6 rotations in the badgers system. The OHs aren't going to get hidden in SR -- the badgers are not passing with two anytime soon and at this point I don't see the badgers seeing a DS in the BR to be worth the cost in subs. I imagine we haven't seen Wrobel because she wasn't as good at that balance as Demps. Demps' attacking and D were very good, but her passing was not good enough to permanently unseat Franklin or Orzol at OH. On the RS, Demps' blocking just wasn't strong enough. She really was perfect for the backrow role in Fall 2021. TTA has not really shown that balance thus far in her career either, IMO. That's why I think she may go to the right. I think Wrobel is a viable option on the left IF she can handle the BR duties at all. We haven't even seen her do that, so we don't know, but I have to guess if she was behind Demps that she had a ways to go, because Demps herself had a ways to go. If she can't improve enough, she will have to wait for Feuerbringer to bring back the 5-1 in 2024 before she has a shot. I don't understand your comment about Demps and Wrobel. Demps didn't play back row consistently when Wrobel was on the team. She barely played front row and it was only when Franklin was so abysmal they needed to give her a break, which in my opinion wasn't often enough. Someone said Wrobel will break into the team because she is a better hitter. I don't think that is enough. My point was that Wrobel was probably behind Demps on the depth chart this year for the same reason Demps was behind Franklin and Orzol. Even though Demps is probably a more terminal hitter than Orzol (and maybe could turn out to be as terminal as Franklin), she just couldn't pass like they needed a 6 rotation OH to pass in a 6-2. Wrobel might also turn out to be more terminal than Orzol, but like Demps she is not going to break into the team unless she can pass well enough. There is no point having a more terminal OH if the team as a whole becomes less terminal because no one can get a decent ball to hit. What does "well enough" mean? Well, the badgers are not going to want to backslide in the passing department. This year was just too rough. If Franklin and GG don't get better, that means Wrobel has to pass better than Orzol to get into the starting lineup as OH. That feels like a real stretch. But if GG improves her passing, Wrobel may only need to become a better passer than Franklin to break into the squad. That seems more possible. |
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Post by Badger Alum on Feb 7, 2023 1:18:27 GMT -5
Agree with other poster that Sherisa Livingston and Rettke should be middles. For outside, I would go Erin Byrd and Haggerty. For opposite, I would say Robinson/Amy Lee. Anyone remember Claudia Rodriguez? She'd be a good backup. Sherisa and Dana are the 2 best MB in Wisconsin history. Period. Claudia Rodriguez was an absolute stud at RS. We win the 2000 NC if she stays healthy. That being said, Robinson is the best RS we've ever had. I also loved Erin Byrd. She was a great Badger and had a nice career on the AVP tour after college. But I'd go with Haggerty and Jenny Maastricht. I remember Cook brought in a professional team from overseas to scrimmage the Badgers and Maastricht dominated them. She was the only bright spot in that match. She couldn't pass well but she could really terminate. |
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Post by bucky415 on Feb 7, 2023 6:21:17 GMT -5
Sherisa and Dana are the 2 best MB in Wisconsin history. Period. Claudia Rodriguez was an absolute stud at RS. We win the 2000 NC if she stays healthy. That being said, Robinson is the best RS we've ever had. I also loved Erin Byrd. She was a great Badger and had a nice career on the AVP tour after college. But I'd go with Haggerty and Jenny Maastricht. I remember Cook brought in a professional team from overseas to scrimmage the Badgers and Maastricht dominated them. She was the only bright spot in that match. She couldn't pass well but she could really terminate. I learned the game watching the Badgers from 1999 onward. If my memory is not wrong, knowing what I do now, Byrd was a very good back row player for a left side her first two years, then evolved into being more of an offensive threat when she needed to take a bigger role in her last two. To be fair, however, she had a huge kill when UCLA had rallied to tie it 12 in the fifth set of the 2000 Regional Final. Maastricht could go off on you, for sure. |
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Post by Wiswell on Feb 7, 2023 9:19:00 GMT -5
Brittney Dolgner was a darn good OH. I realize there was some baggage there but we should keep her in the conversation.
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Post by Badger Alum on Feb 7, 2023 12:47:04 GMT -5
Brittney Dolgner was a darn good OH. I realize there was some baggage there but we should keep her in the conversation. Dolgner was really good. Too bad her career arc didn't continue to grow. She was really good as a freshman. Her match vs Texas at the Field House was pretty exciting to watch (even though Texas steamrolled the Badgers that day) as she played so well. |
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Post by Badger Alum on Feb 7, 2023 12:52:01 GMT -5
I learned the game watching the Badgers from 1999 onward. If my memory is not wrong, knowing what I do now, Byrd was a very good back row player for a left side her first two years, then evolved into being more of an offensive threat when she needed to take a bigger role in her last two. To be fair, however, she had a huge kill when UCLA had rallied to tie it 12 in the fifth set of the 2000 Regional Final. Maastricht could go off on you, for sure. In 2000, when Rodriguez went down in the Regionals, the team dynamic changed. We still beat USC in the Final Four but Cook had his entire blocking scheme focus on Maastricht in the NC match. It worked and they neutralized her. That opened things up for Rittenhouse 1:1 on the RS but she wasn't as terminal as Rodriguez. Oh what could have been... Bryd was a very good all around player. That's why she did well on the AVP. |
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Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Feb 7, 2023 23:30:45 GMT -5
Hey all. Brief diversion to the situation in Turkey. Check the Turkish league thread for the impact to volleyball from the earthquake. I realize it is far far from Istanbul, but let's hope no one from Guctekin's family are impacted. My understanding is she had no affected family thank goodness for her. |
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Post by Montour Meteor on Feb 8, 2023 0:22:06 GMT -5
not a badger homer but my starters would be : carlini rettke / hart (her 5th year lol) haggerty / Franklin (ds bates) Robinson (ds clark) barnes I agree with most of your team except hart was better than nelson imo and I like bates over orzol as a ds for Franklin This is pretty good. Agree with other poster that Sherisa Livingston and Rettke should be middles. For outside, I would go Erin Byrd and Haggerty. For opposite, I would say Robinson/Amy Lee. Anyone remember Claudia Rodriguez? She'd be a good backup. Libero Lauren Barnes/Sarah Urbanek with Clark as DS. Bates was inconsistent and better at reacting to offspeed rather than reading. I'd put Civita on the bench for DS, she made the players around her better and a tough server. Consider Shaw, Jeffers, and Reineke. There was plenty of volleyball before Carlini. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Feb 8, 2023 9:50:53 GMT -5
This is pretty good. Agree with other poster that Sherisa Livingston and Rettke should be middles. For outside, I would go Erin Byrd and Haggerty. For opposite, I would say Robinson/Amy Lee. Anyone remember Claudia Rodriguez? She'd be a good backup. Libero Lauren Barnes/Sarah Urbanek with Clark as DS. Bates was inconsistent and better at reacting to offspeed rather than reading. I'd put Civita on the bench for DS, she made the players around her better and a tough server. Consider Shaw, Jeffers, and Reineke. There was plenty of volleyball before Carlini. Sorry, but Franklin doesn't crack the top 5 OHs at our program. I think the closest we had to a game-changing OH in an era of Penn State dominance was Brittney Dolgner. Maastrict and Byrd are above Franklin. I'd even put Chapman up there. |
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Post by robtearle on Feb 8, 2023 10:14:01 GMT -5
Hey all. Brief diversion to the situation in Turkey. Check the Turkish league thread for the impact to volleyball from the earthquake. I realize it is far far from Istanbul, but let's hope no one from Guctekin's family are impacted. My understanding is she had no affected family thank goodness for her. Per "stories" posts on her instagram, she and friends from the UW Association of Turkish Students were out on State St yesterday trying to raise money for relief organizations. They also have a link up where people can donate online. donate.tpfund.org/fundraiser/4427681 |
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Post by greenesail on Feb 10, 2023 13:00:04 GMT -5
Marquette announced that the Spring game against the Badgers will be March 31 in Oconomowoc (presumably the high school), 7:30 p.m. The other announced games are Wednesday, April 5 against Athletes Unlimited in the Field House and Sunday, April 16 versus Purdue at Lake Central High School in St. John, Indiana. Kelly mentioned at the Awards Banquet that there would be four games, so still one more to be announced.
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Post by badgerguru on Feb 10, 2023 13:15:56 GMT -5
Marquette announced that the Spring game against the Badgers will be March 31 in Oconomowoc (presumably the high school), 7:30 p.m. The other announced games are Wednesday, April 5 against Athletes Unlimited in the Field House and Sunday, April 16 versus Purdue at Lake Central High School in St. John, Indiana. Kelly mentioned at the Awards Banquet that there would be four games, so still one more to be announced. Maybe Minnesota? Could also be a smaller school like UWGB or any other school from Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, whatever else is in our 400 mile radius |
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Post by ndodge on Feb 10, 2023 13:35:13 GMT -5
How often have MN WI played in the spring in the past ?
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