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Jun 5, 2023 13:58:29 GMT -5
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jun 5, 2023 13:58:29 GMT -5
so LOVB is done signing starting setters LOL still think they need to put their teams in the PVF. the only tricky thing at this point would be dealing with Atlanta no? Why would LOVB ever consider putting their teams in PVF? LOVB has been building this for 2+ years and PVF has been around for 6 months? League One initially planned to launch in 2024 but strategically bumped to 2025 because they realized the launch point was much higher following Paris. This move seems to be paying off. They are likely holding back more names given the names that were dropped today had to be done over the last couple of months. From my understanding PVF is selling franchises to fund their league and LOVB seems to be funding privately and holding onto their teams for now. As someone else mentioned, they also have the club/grassroots piece going for them too. This sets up the potential to be sustainable unlike any attempt prior (lets be honest, every US league attempt so far has failed). I'd say League One just made PVF the feeder league in 2025 and would expect for the the top of PVF to move to LOVB for the 2025 season. Regardless of how it all plays out (merger, folding, etc), all the attention our sport is getting from these two leagues launching is great. it seems like the PVF has much more structure up to this point. do we know what LOVB is paying their players yet?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jun 5, 2023 13:58:56 GMT -5
JWO, Haleigh, Krob, JT, Carlini, Lloyd, Poulter, Hancock lol if you set them they will come approach this reads as one of those "as seen on tv commercials" "Are you tired of being set by mediocre italian and turkish setters, well I have a solution for you" sksksk
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Post by jumphigher on Jun 5, 2023 14:07:52 GMT -5
Why would LOVB ever consider putting their teams in PVF? LOVB has been building this for 2+ years and PVF has been around for 6 months? League One initially planned to launch in 2024 but strategically bumped to 2025 because they realized the launch point was much higher following Paris. This move seems to be paying off. They are likely holding back more names given the names that were dropped today had to be done over the last couple of months. From my understanding PVF is selling franchises to fund their league and LOVB seems to be funding privately and holding onto their teams for now. As someone else mentioned, they also have the club/grassroots piece going for them too. This sets up the potential to be sustainable unlike any attempt prior (lets be honest, every US league attempt so far has failed). I'd say League One just made PVF the feeder league in 2025 and would expect for the the top of PVF to move to LOVB for the 2025 season. Regardless of how it all plays out (merger, folding, etc), all the attention our sport is getting from these two leagues launching is great. it seems like the PVF has much more structure up to this point. do we know what LOVB is paying their players yet? Do they have more structure, or are they just posting more? Do they have venues locked in? practice facilities? are their player contracts done to launch in 6 months? Call me a pessimist, but to announce a league and launch it in a one year time frame seems very impromptu. No idea what League One is paying, but apparently it's enough to pull some of the best in the world.
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Post by Reach on Jun 5, 2023 14:09:19 GMT -5
if you set them they will come approach this reads as one of those "as seen on tv commercials" "Are you tired of being set by mediocre italian and turkish setters, well I have a solution for you" sksksk or Do you want to get out of beautiful Northern Italy? We have just the fix... the dream begins in Dallas, Madison and Salt Lake! Never wanted to go there, neither have we, but we have world class setters and Walmarts.
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Post by Reach on Jun 5, 2023 14:10:10 GMT -5
it seems like the PVF has much more structure up to this point. do we know what LOVB is paying their players yet? Do they have more structure, or are they just posting more? Do they have venues locked in? practice facilities? are their player contracts done to launch in 6 months? Call me a pessimist, but to announce a league and launch it in a one year time frame seems very impromptu. No idea what League One is paying, but apparently it's enough to pull some of the best in the world. They have a giant staff it seems too.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 5, 2023 14:10:38 GMT -5
it seems like the PVF has much more structure up to this point. do we know what LOVB is paying their players yet? Do they have more structure, or are they just posting more? Do they have venues locked in? practice facilities? are their player contracts done to launch in 6 months? Call me a pessimist, but to announce a league and launch it in a one year time frame seems very impromptu. No idea what League One is paying, but apparently it's enough to pull some of the best in the world. Those are basically celebrity endorsements. Who are they going to play?
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Post by jumphigher on Jun 5, 2023 14:22:58 GMT -5
Do they have more structure, or are they just posting more? Do they have venues locked in? practice facilities? are their player contracts done to launch in 6 months? Call me a pessimist, but to announce a league and launch it in a one year time frame seems very impromptu. No idea what League One is paying, but apparently it's enough to pull some of the best in the world. Those are basically celebrity endorsements. Who are they going to play? Inked contracts are celebrity endorsements? Volleyballmag had LOVB launching November 2024. I'd say they have time to fill in the rest of the rosters.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jun 5, 2023 14:27:07 GMT -5
it seems like the PVF has much more structure up to this point. do we know what LOVB is paying their players yet? Do they have more structure, or are they just posting more? Do they have venues locked in? practice facilities? are their player contracts done to launch in 6 months? Call me a pessimist, but to announce a league and launch it in a one year time frame seems very impromptu. No idea what League One is paying, but apparently it's enough to pull some of the best in the world. they have more players, more players signed to actual teams with tons more on the way, a set salary structure, a set bonus for if their team wins. it’s easier to post more when your teams have players to announce they’ve signed, rather than announcing you found a club team to partner with so you have a place to practice alongside 14 year olds
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Post by jumphigher on Jun 5, 2023 14:30:15 GMT -5
Do they have more structure, or are they just posting more? Do they have venues locked in? practice facilities? are their player contracts done to launch in 6 months? Call me a pessimist, but to announce a league and launch it in a one year time frame seems very impromptu. No idea what League One is paying, but apparently it's enough to pull some of the best in the world. they have more players, more players signed to actual teams with tons more on the way, a set salary structure, a set bonus for if their team wins. it’s easier to post more when your teams have players to announce they’ve signed, rather than announcing you found a club team to partner with so you have a place to practice alongside 14 year olds I hear you, and would expect that given a year earlier launch. Would be amazing if both leagues worked out! I have questions on the club connection too. Assuming the pro teams practice during the day and junior level at night? Major upgrades would have to be done to facilities as most club gyms wouldn't be anywhere near what a pro team would require.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 5, 2023 14:56:25 GMT -5
they have more players, more players signed to actual teams with tons more on the way, a set salary structure, a set bonus for if their team wins. it’s easier to post more when your teams have players to announce they’ve signed, rather than announcing you found a club team to partner with so you have a place to practice alongside 14 year olds I hear you, and would expect that given a year earlier launch. Would be amazing if both leagues worked out! We can talk about models that work or don't work all day long, but at the end of the day, in terms of pro sports leagues, the models that have worked are pretty straight-forward (and limited). When people talk about all the previous attempts that have failed, it usually comes down to the availability of capital ($$), and not necessarily the model itself. LOVB's model emphasizing grass-roots growth is not essentially that different from European models, but the biggest problem with LOVB (aka the Theranos V-League) is its opaqueness. At least with PVF, one can gauge the progress and viability based on the existence of established franchises, named coaches and players, etc. (and they've been struggling demonstrating that viability to some degree). The success of PVF is still going to depend greatly on the ability or willingness of the franchise owners to invest capital into their teams, and it seems as if that might be an issue given the uneven roll-out of the league.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jun 5, 2023 14:57:07 GMT -5
they have more players, more players signed to actual teams with tons more on the way, a set salary structure, a set bonus for if their team wins. it’s easier to post more when your teams have players to announce they’ve signed, rather than announcing you found a club team to partner with so you have a place to practice alongside 14 year olds I hear you, and would expect that given a year earlier launch. Would be amazing if both leagues worked out! I have questions on the club connection too. Assuming the pro teams practice during the day and junior level at night? Major upgrades would have to be done to facilities as most club gyms wouldn't be anywhere near what a pro team would require. I’m assuming whatever upgrades are needed LOVB will pay for, but idk how much upgrading will be needed. most likely will be just way more equipment LOL
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Post by dbro1970 on Jun 5, 2023 15:42:06 GMT -5
if you set them they will come approach this reads as one of those "as seen on tv commercials" "Are you tired of being set by mediocre italian and turkish setters, well I have a solution for you" sksksk I just saw the Carlini interview by Lee Feinswog, and she said she is going to play in Turkey in 2023/2024. What exactly is this signing, is it to play or for a promotion/name drop. I can not see a startup league in the US being able to afford the top US setters. The players that PVF are announcing as signed are much more believable. Players recently retired, known to not like living in foreign countries, or playing for Athletes Unlimited in the fall of 2023.
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Post by dbro1970 on Jun 5, 2023 15:46:11 GMT -5
this reads as one of those "as seen on tv commercials" "Are you tired of being set by mediocre italian and turkish setters, well I have a solution for you" sksksk I just saw the Carlini interview by Lee Feinswog, and she said she is going to play in Turkey in 2023/2024. What exactly is this signing, is it to play or for a promotion/name drop. I can not see a startup league in the US being able to afford the top US setters. The players that PVF are announcing as signed are much more believable. Players recently retired, known to not like living in foreign countries, or playing for Athletes Unlimited in the fall of 2023. If you already are a volleyball pro, what does your signing mean to a league without a announced format and timing of a season, with no indication of what the pay structure is? With such vagueness, it will be really easy to later say sorry, it does not work out with the other things I have scheduled.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jun 5, 2023 15:46:22 GMT -5
this reads as one of those "as seen on tv commercials" "Are you tired of being set by mediocre italian and turkish setters, well I have a solution for you" sksksk I just saw the Carlini interview by Lee Feinswog, and she said she is going to play in Turkey in 2023/2024. What exactly is this signing, is it to play or for a promotion/name drop. I can not see a startup league in the US being able to afford the top US setters. The players that PVF are announcing as signed are much more believable. Players recently retired, known to not like living in foreign countries, or playing for Athletes Unlimited in the fall of 2023. this is to play in 24/25 after the Olympics. Not this upcoming club season
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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 5, 2023 16:10:03 GMT -5
I just saw the Carlini interview by Lee Feinswog, and she said she is going to play in Turkey in 2023/2024. What exactly is this signing, is it to play or for a promotion/name drop. I can not see a startup league in the US being able to afford the top US setters. The players that PVF are announcing as signed are much more believable. Players recently retired, known to not like living in foreign countries, or playing for Athletes Unlimited in the fall of 2023. this is to play in 24/25 after the Olympics. Not this upcoming club season I am dubious. These "signings" to a virtual league seems like an endorsement deal. I will believe that these people will play when they say they will play for a specific team while standing with the coach. In that city, wearing the new uniform. Anything short of that is vapor.
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