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Post by dl3ww on Sept 24, 2023 16:13:33 GMT -5
Like literally put skinner back at opp and devin at oh and call it a dayš IIRC Skinner said she came to Texas because JE promised to train her as a 6ro OH. So I'm not too sure how likely the chance of her moving to OPP isĀ Last year they talked so much about making Texas Volleyball team culture turn around to a āteam firstā mindset. This is one of those times. This is probably the best move for the team. (Also iirc she said she wanted reps as a 6-ro player she didnāt care which pin, she just didnāt want to be switched back and forth)
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Post by dl3ww on Sept 24, 2023 16:19:19 GMT -5
IIRC Skinner said she came to Texas because JE promised to train her as a 6ro OH. So I'm not too sure how likely the chance of her moving to OPP isĀ I also donāt think it solves all of our problems, tbh. Ofc only one move cant fix all our problems, but it can most definitely help. It would mess up the āthree littlesā with their rotations, but we would still be able to have all the dsās come in
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Post by hornshouse23 on Sept 24, 2023 16:21:37 GMT -5
I also donāt think it solves all of our problems, tbh. Ofc only one move cant fix all our problems, but it can most definitely help. It would mess up the āthree littlesā with their rotations, but we would still be able to have all the dsās come in I thin part of the calculus is that Madi on the left will get more looks. Iām not 100 sure Ella is ready to dish it out to the right pin the way Kami is. PS: Iām not saying that decision is right or wrong. But Iām wondering if itās part of the equation. Weāre a left dominated offense. Not sure you change that so quickly, and with a green setter.
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Post by dl3ww on Sept 24, 2023 16:34:06 GMT -5
Ofc only one move cant fix all our problems, but it can most definitely help. It would mess up the āthree littlesā with their rotations, but we would still be able to have all the dsās come in I thin part of the calculus is that Madi on the left will get more looks. Iām not 100 sure Ella is ready to dish it out to the right pin the way Kami is. PS: Iām not saying that decision is right or wrong. But Iām wondering if itās part of the equation. Weāre a left dominated offense. Not sure you change that so quickly, and with a green setter. That could very well be true as of rn, but JE says she a very quick learner
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Post by hornfanaustin on Sept 24, 2023 17:34:08 GMT -5
Like literally put skinner back at opp and devin at oh and call it a dayš IIRC Skinner said she came to Texas because JE promised to train her as a 6ro OH. So I'm not too sure how likely the chance of her moving to OPP is My belief is that JE is transparent to all his players, either HS or college transfers. He tells them, how he's going to play them and then they decide if they are willing to keep on that path. Some of these are from interviews of players incoming or departing the program and are guesses on my part and my opinions, not facts:
1. Jhenna Gabriel - told her she could walk on as a setter/DS, but that Ashley Shook was going to be his featured setter. He would give her a chance, but not give her the lead.
2. Skylar Fields - told her that she would start off as 3-ro and then a few years into it might start sliding her into 6-ro. During the first two years, he would give her some sets as 6-ro, but it wouldn't be permanent unless he saw something special. I believe he finally told her that, no, he didn't see her being 6-ro while at Texas and then she packed her bags for elsewhere.
3. Madi Skinner - told her that Logan was the 6-ro player and that she would have to wait until after Logan finished her final year before he would start her at 6-ro. Sure, she got some time in as 6-ro, but when her skill set wasn't up to par, he started DS'ing her. And, he promised her she wouldn't be relegated to OPP. Skinner has said she only went to OPP in order to get off the bench and get any playing time while she was at Kentucky. OPP is not her preference, although she's good at it.
4. Jenna Wennas - I think he gave same type of promise he did to Fields. I'll give you some sets as 6, but no promises. After the first game at LBSU, I think it was obvious she couldn't be a 6-ro this year.
5. Devin Kahahawai - He knew while he was recruiting her that Molly was coming back for her COVID year as Molly gave him a 2 years heads up. I remember him announcing that in the Point Texas club. So, I'm hoping he told her that if she came to Texas she might not get a real starting spot until Molly was done.
There have been some surprise departures, like Lexi Sun after only her first year. That tells me that she was told she'd get strong consideration as 6-ro but her defense wasn't getting better and she started getting subb'ed out and she decided a new coaching staff would improve her 6-ro prospects. And then ironically.........
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Post by slxpress on Sept 24, 2023 17:50:42 GMT -5
IIRC Skinner said she came to Texas because JE promised to train her as a 6ro OH. So I'm not too sure how likely the chance of her moving to OPP isĀ My belief is that JE is transparent to all his players, either HS or college transfers.Ā He tells them, how he's going to play them and then they decide if they are willing to keep on that path.Ā Some of these are from interviews of players incoming or departing the program and are guesses on my part and my opinions, not facts:
1. Jhenna Gabriel - told her she could walk on as a setter/DS, but that Ashley Shook was going to be his featured setter.Ā He would give her a chance, but not give her the lead.
2. Skylar Fields - told her that she would start off as 3-ro and then a few years into it might start sliding her into 6-ro.Ā During the first two years, he would give her some sets as 6-ro, but it wouldn't be permanent unless he saw something special.Ā I believe he finally told her that, no, he didn't see her being 6-ro while at Texas and then she packed her bags for elsewhere.
3. Madi Skinner - told her that Logan was the 6-ro player and that she would have to wait until after Logan finished her final year before he would start her at 6-ro.Ā Sure, she got some time in as 6-ro, but when her skill set wasn't up to par, he started DS'ing her.Ā And, he promised her she wouldn't be relegated to OPP.Ā Skinner has said she only went to OPP in order to get off the bench and get any playing time while she was at Kentucky.Ā OPP is not her preference, although she's good at it.
4. Jenna Wennas - I think he gave same type of promise he did to Fields.Ā I'll give you some sets as 6, but no promises.Ā After the first game at LBSU, I think it was obvious she couldn't be a 6-ro this year.Ā
5. Devin Kahahawai - He knew while he was recruiting her that Molly was coming back for her COVID year as Molly gave him a 2 years heads up.Ā I remember him announcing that in the Point Texas club.Ā So, I'm hoping he told her that if she came to Texas she might not get a real starting spot until Molly was done.
There have been some surprise departures, like Lexi Sun after only her first year.Ā That tells me that she was told she'd get strong consideration as 6-ro but her defense wasn't getting better and she started getting subb'ed out and she decided a new coaching staff would improve her 6-ro prospects.Ā And then ironically.........
Lexi Sun departed for reasons not involving volleyball. One of the things I really appreciate about Elliott - like, it means a lot to me - is that he doesnāt get involved in talking about departed players. In any case, Skinner isnāt moving anywhere. Wenaas has a long leash. And Phillips will always get the benefit of the doubt. Personally I think the team would be better with Kahahawai on the right side. Certainly more dangerous. But Elliott knows what heās going to get from Phillips, and itās obvious he values that more. I havenāt given up hope weāll see more of Kahahawai in a significant role as opposite, but unfortunately it would require Phillips to be entirely ineffective, and Iām not going to root for that, either. Weāre going to have Skinner and Wenaas as our outsides, and for those who donāt like that idea on some level, you should probably try to resign yourselves on some level itās going to be that way next year, too. Iām not saying anyone has to like it, but I donāt envy you guys beating your heads against a wall for the rest of the season, the offseason, and then next year, too. Thatās a lot of misery to put yourselves through. I canāt say Iām not sympathetic, because I am, but Iām not buying a ticket on that train. I also think Kahahawai should transfer if she canāt beat out Phillips this year. And I think she will.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 24, 2023 17:54:00 GMT -5
I'm just going to say, I do not think that finding Skinner in trans on the right side will be nearly as easy as some of y'all think. The game flows left, and Swindle has shown she can struggle on anything but a perfect pass to adequately reverse flow. I just don't think you want to be in a situation where Devin is seeing the kind of swings that Skinner is getting right now. It could be something they work on over the szn, but I would rather they practice it in practice for about 3-5 weeks and then bring it out in the back half of B12 play which is decidedly easier than the front half.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 24, 2023 18:01:24 GMT -5
I'm just going to say, I do not think that finding Skinner in trans on the right side will be nearly as easy as some of y'all think. The game flows left, and Swindle has shown she can struggle on anything but a perfect pass to adequately reverse flow. I just don't think you want to be in a situation where Devin is seeing the kind of swings that Skinner is getting right now. It could be something they work on over the szn, but I would rather they practice it in practice for about 3-5 weeks and then bring it out in the back half of B12 play which is decidedly easier than the front half. Itās just fan fantasy. People were clamoring for Skinner to be moved to the right side last year. Sheās not going anywhere. Weāre just frustrated the team doesnāt look as dominant as weāre used to. Since weāre helpless as fans, speculating about possible solutions gives us some sort of pseudo agency. I do it all the time. But Skinner will be the primary 6 rotation OH through the end of next season.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 24, 2023 18:04:46 GMT -5
I'm just going to say, I do not think that finding Skinner in trans on the right side will be nearly as easy as some of y'all think. The game flows left, and Swindle has shown she can struggle on anything but a perfect pass to adequately reverse flow. I just don't think you want to be in a situation where Devin is seeing the kind of swings that Skinner is getting right now. It could be something they work on over the szn, but I would rather they practice it in practice for about 3-5 weeks and then bring it out in the back half of B12 play which is decidedly easier than the front half. Itās just fan fantasy. People were clamoring for Skinner to be moved to the right side last year. Sheās not going anywhere. Weāre just frustrated the team doesnāt look as dominant as weāre used to. Since weāre helpless as fans, speculating about possible solutions gives us some sort of pseudo agency. I do it all the time. But Skinner will be the primary 6 rotation OH through the end of next season. I see, I see. Yeah, I don't think she'll move either lol. Mostly bc that was her biggest gripe with Skinner at KY - getting moved around too much. PS, I feel like this is about the level of dominancy over he last several szns you see from TX. Last year obv the anomaly, but that was a world class team that you will learn to appreciate more and more in hindsight. I think before last year, TX generally won the B12 matches it was supposed to win, but it's asking a lot to think you're going to blitz every team every night. I guess time is helpful with perspective.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 24, 2023 18:19:12 GMT -5
Itās just fan fantasy. People were clamoring for Skinner to be moved to the right side last year. Sheās not going anywhere. Weāre just frustrated the team doesnāt look as dominant as weāre used to. Since weāre helpless as fans, speculating about possible solutions gives us some sort of pseudo agency. I do it all the time. But Skinner will be the primary 6 rotation OH through the end of next season. I see, I see. Yeah, I don't think she'll move either lol. Mostly bc that was her biggest gripe with Skinner at KY - getting moved around too much. PS, I feel like this is about the level of dominancy over he last several szns you see from TX. Last year obv the anomaly, but that was a world class team that you will learn to appreciate more and more in hindsight. I think before last year, TX generally won the B12 matches it was supposed to win, but it's asking a lot to think you're going to blitz every team every night. I guess time is helpful with perspective.Ā Well, I donāt think itās unreasonable for Texas fans to take a dominant team for granted. I donāt even think itās beyond question this team becomes one. There are some formidable pieces. They lost to a team they shouldnāt have because they came into the season poorly prepared. They lost to Washington State - a very good team - by collapsing late in 3 sets in a row. Especially the second set, but Texas had the lead late in the 3rd and 4th set, too. Stanford was a complete beatdown. But if Texas was simply a 1 loss team they wouldnāt be any better per se, but the perception would be different. I remember last year when Texas went 5 sets against KU in Lawrence and lost in Ames, people were gleefully questioning that team. But KU had virtually no chance in those last 3 sets. I think Texas had a sideout percentage over 90% in those last 3 sets. And against ISU, they outscored the Cyclones. ISU deserved the win, but the perception of Texas after those two matches wasnāt accurate, and they proved it the rest of the way. The thing is even as this team improves their ceiling isnāt quite as high in some ways as weāre used to. But heck, I didnāt think Nebraskaās ceiling was all that high in 2021, but they came together at the right time. Maybe Texas can do something similar this year. Or like what Pitt did last year. Iāll say this much. If Texas doesnāt get a regional host this year - and I donāt expect one - no one is going to be thrilled to see the Longhorns in their bracket, I donāt care what seed they are.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 24, 2023 18:22:25 GMT -5
I see, I see. Yeah, I don't think she'll move either lol. Mostly bc that was her biggest gripe with Skinner at KY - getting moved around too much. PS, I feel like this is about the level of dominancy over he last several szns you see from TX. Last year obv the anomaly, but that was a world class team that you will learn to appreciate more and more in hindsight. I think before last year, TX generally won the B12 matches it was supposed to win, but it's asking a lot to think you're going to blitz every team every night. I guess time is helpful with perspective. Iāll say this much. If Texas doesnāt get a regional host this year - and I donāt expect one - no one is going to be thrilled to see the Longhorns in their bracket, I donāt care what seed they are. Pretty sure Texas' seed depends entirely on where Nebraska finishes The committee is LIVING for that regional final in Lincoln already. It almost seems destined to be, one week into conf.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Sept 24, 2023 18:26:22 GMT -5
Agenda for this week's practice: - 80% of all sets to the middle or RS until those connections are nailed down. Would be nice to see Bella on the back 1 again, haven't seen that in a couple of matches - High hands, high hands, tool, high hands. NO LOW SEAM - Closing the block on Livingston and possibly more than one blocker on Llarenas
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Post by slxpress on Sept 24, 2023 18:27:00 GMT -5
Iāll say this much. If Texas doesnāt get a regional host this year - and I donāt expect one - no one is going to be thrilled to see the Longhorns in their bracket, I donāt care what seed they are. Pretty sure Texas' seed depends entirely on where Nebraska finishes The committee is LIVING for that regional final in Lincoln already. It almost seems destined to be, one week into conf.Ā I donāt actually believe that. They could have put Nebraska in UTās regional last year but chose not to. I believe Nebraska is going to be the #1 seed overall. If Texas and Nebraska face off in the postseason, my opinion is it will have to be in Tampa.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 24, 2023 18:27:31 GMT -5
Pretty sure Texas' seed depends entirely on where Nebraska finishes The committee is LIVING for that regional final in Lincoln already. It almost seems destined to be, one week into conf. I donāt actually believe that. They could have put Nebraska in UTās regional last year but chose not to. I believe Nebraska is going to be the #1 seed overall. If Texas and Nebraska face off in the postseason, my opinion is it will have to be in Tampa. Optimism is key.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 24, 2023 18:36:13 GMT -5
I donāt actually believe that. They could have put Nebraska in UTās regional last year but chose not to. I believe Nebraska is going to be the #1 seed overall. If Texas and Nebraska face off in the postseason, my opinion is it will have to be in Tampa. Optimism is key. I prefer a dash of pragmatism. As Iāve said repeatedly, I just want to see the team continue to improve. Which they have. Thatās one of the hallmarks of this staff. The team always gets better over the course of the season. As long as they keep the Sweet 16 streak alive, Iāll be okay regardless of the end result. The glow from last yearās national championship will keep me warm no matter the outcome.
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