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Post by dl3ww on Nov 9, 2023 22:32:25 GMT -5
I remember when ALL of you, and I mean ALL of you, read me for filth on my opinions about Elliot. Yall said he was the greatest thing since sliced bread and ru pauls drag race, and said I knew nothing about anything Oh I can tell you now, EYEEE? Eyeee was not apart of the club that attacked you about your opinions on JEš
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Post by mln59 on Nov 10, 2023 7:31:41 GMT -5
the last time hawaii won an ncaa championship was 1987, but here we are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 7:49:05 GMT -5
the last time hawaii won an ncaa championship was 1987, but here we are. no no no. mln59 ily. But WahineFan44 only pointed out that we Texas fans have been dragging JE (rightfully so) recently and the last time they said he wasnāt the bees knees a lot of Texas fans attacked them. This is not another Texas vs Hawaii issue. This is simply Texas fans being hypocritical and someone elsepointed it out. Donāt turn this into berating someone elseās team just because theyāre not a ātraditionalā Texas fan for saying the same things most of us ātraditionalā Texas fans have been saying the past 24-48hrs.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Nov 10, 2023 7:57:26 GMT -5
Haven't seen a "JE is a weak coach" thread in the Texas thread in a while. Someone's bored!
I wish those folks would just get a thigh tattoo with that on it and get it over with. Seems to make our biggest rivals happy.
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Post by slxpress on Nov 10, 2023 8:27:51 GMT -5
the last time hawaii won an ncaa championship was 1987, but here we are. no no no. mln59 ily. But WahineFan44 only pointed out that we Texas fans have been dragging JE (rightfully so) recently and the last time they said he wasnāt the bees knees a lot of Texas fans attacked them. This is not another Texas vs Hawaii issue. This is simply Texas fans being hypocritical and someone elsepointed it out. Donāt turn this into berating someone elseās team just because theyāre not a ātraditionalā Texas fan for saying the same things most of us ātraditionalā Texas fans have been saying the past 24-48hrs. Elliott is an awesome head coach. Weāre lucky to have him. The fans dragging him are being overreactionary. I donāt agree with his approach with Kahahawai, but itās his program and he gets to do what he wants. As a fan I get to react to it the way I want. But the Texas fans coming out with pitch forks and torches are off their rocker. Thatās okay. They get to do that as well. But Iām not going to pretend theyāre taking reasonable positions. The team has some weak spots. The biggest team strength - serving - was not enough to produce a victory because other team strengths - blocking, Skinner (especially from the back row) and transition defense did not perform well enough. I rebuke Wahineās insinuations that Elliott is not a great coach but is a recruiter only. I rebuke stanfordvbās thoughts on transfers becoming worse passers when they don the Longhorn uniform (although there is some evidence of it). I defend their right to make their assertions, but I strongly resist their implications. I do not agree āmostā traditional fans have been apoplectic about Elliott. I feel like an angry few have repeatedly, and so it gives that impression. I do believe the reactionary nature of recent posts has given support for long time critics of Elliott to remind us all thatās been their position the whole time. If someone isnāt exactly welcoming about that message, I donāt see it as hypocritical at all to remind them of their favorite programās irrelevancy while ābad coachā Elliott has built the most consistently successful program in the country, all while apparently being unable to develop anyone. I guess all of his great recruits come out of high school or transfer in from other schools fully formed, and donāt improve at all during their stay in Austin. Or that any improvements over the course of a season happen automagically, with no input from the staff whatsoever. Bottom line there is not a single coach in this country I would take over Elliott right now. It doesnāt mean I agree with everything he does. Nick Saban is arguably the greatest college football coach of all time and I donāt agree with everything he does. I donāt agree with everything Bill Self at KU does, but I still think heās the best active college basketball coach in the country. It goes with the territory. But this idea that somehow Elliott is a lesser coach because we were swept by KState - regardless of the reasons - or that heās so mismanaged the roster his reputation should take a plunge, or that the personal stats of players while theyāre at Texas versus their stats when they played somewhere else is some kind of damning indictment on the man is completely silly. To give it gravitas is a mistake. I donāt agree with you here st all, on pretty much any level, even while I also donāt agree with some of the approaches Elliott has taken with this current team. But overall weāll be fine. The program will be fine. Weāre having a bit of a hiccup after just winning the national championship with a magical run. All is right with the world. It really is.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Nov 10, 2023 8:40:49 GMT -5
I actually have some posters [cough, WF, cough] on mute so I don't see their posts. But regardless, feel free to use this image anytime someone restarts the "JE is just a recruiter" thread.
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Post by mln59 on Nov 10, 2023 8:57:12 GMT -5
the last time hawaii won an ncaa championship was 1987, but here we are. no no no. mln59 ily. But WahineFan44 only pointed out that we Texas fans have been dragging JE (rightfully so) recently and the last time they said he wasnāt the bees knees a lot of Texas fans attacked them. This is not another Texas vs Hawaii issue. This is simply Texas fans being hypocritical and someone elsepointed it out. Donāt turn this into berating someone elseās team just because theyāre not a ātraditionalā Texas fan for saying the same things most of us ātraditionalā Texas fans have been saying the past 24-48hrs. there is a difference between Texas fans discussing Texas volleyball in the Texas thread and haters conducting drive-bys. we lament Texas's struggles; they feast upon them.
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Post by stanfordvb on Nov 10, 2023 9:02:07 GMT -5
no no no. mln59 ily. But WahineFan44 only pointed out that we Texas fans have been dragging JE (rightfully so) recently and the last time they said he wasnāt the bees knees a lot of Texas fans attacked them. This is not another Texas vs Hawaii issue. This is simply Texas fans being hypocritical and someone elsepointed it out. Donāt turn this into berating someone elseās team just because theyāre not a ātraditionalā Texas fan for saying the same things most of us ātraditionalā Texas fans have been saying the past 24-48hrs. I rebuke stanfordvbās thoughts on transfers becoming worse passers when they don the Longhorn uniform (although there is some evidence of it). I defend their right to make their assertions, but I strongly resist their implications. not only is there evidence, I dont think there's any of the contrary... someone transferring to texas and becoming a better passer than before? welcoming someone to prove me wrong on that but the last 4 transfers that pass have all gotten statistically worse, some of them quite significantly I want to be clear my take on that is not meant to attack or ridicule Elliot at all! I dont think he's responsible for training the passers? thats something people underestimate very often on here - everything gets put on the head coach when there are massive parts of the game that the assistants are responsible for
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Post by nellynel on Nov 10, 2023 9:07:47 GMT -5
The only tune that has changed is playing the same stupid record over and over. I can go to every team thread (of elite programs) and find post of fans complaining about why is this person playing, why didnāt we do this, why does this player keep making this mistake. I have done the same thing my entire life for every sports team I have rooted for, itās not unusual. And it doesnāt mean I think a coach doesnāt know what they are doing.
But there are only a select few who get the ācan recruit but canāt coach/developā. Which means nothing since recruiting in college athletics is like 80-90 percent of winning. Georgia hasnāt throttled people in the last couple of years in CFB because they are turning a bunch of Rudyās into overachievers. Their roster has been significantly better than just about everyone they have played. And every coach wants to be in that position in every sport.
2023 Texas is not Texas 2022, but the difference/improvement between week 1 and now has been good. Everyone wants more, but to ignore the improvement/development thatās occurred is because anything else just wonāt fit your agenda. Someone created the B12 thread simply because they thought this is the year that someone would knock Texas off the B12 hill, yet here Texas is with a 2 1/2 game lead in a competitive conference with 4 games left. But yeah I agree the lack of development is startling.
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Post by pindrop on Nov 10, 2023 9:25:20 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why JE sat Devin, instead of platooning with Jenna, other than he knows she's entering the portal? Alternating them earlier in the season when one got cold worked so well, so I'm mystified why he would let the KSU horror show go on and not make the change. I'd love to see her stay, but like Mel Parra (still love that serve and watch TCU games just for it) a change of scenery might do her good.
I'm sorry to see Asija and Molly have to slog through this season, but isn't that just more proof that the COVID year eligibility is bad for the players personally AND the team? You delay the development of your young players, and your older players stagnate in development unless they transfer to another program for the last year (picking up a post-grad degree and a new experience -- like Zoe and others). I know that JFO and the Ohio State University have had a rough season, but I think she made the right decision for her program long term.
"You can't be 20 on Sugar Mountain, though you think that you'll be leaving there too soon" Neil Young
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Post by longhorn9214 on Nov 10, 2023 9:38:17 GMT -5
If any UT player comes through here and reads this, which I hope they don't, we all just sound like sound bites and HYPERcritical. Again, it was a culmination of everything with K State playing REALLY well and us actually performing per our season average performance. There was questionable hitting and setting BUT that's been all season. Y'all need to realize that it just caught up to us. It was a perfect storm that we couldn't get out of. Blaming and bashing players, who are TRYING their best and working their ass off, will not do anything lol. IT WON'T.
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Post by BOBÅ”koviÄ on Nov 10, 2023 10:02:34 GMT -5
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Post by mln59 on Nov 10, 2023 10:04:53 GMT -5
i've said it before and i shall say it again: there needs to be a statue of her in front of the greg
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 10, 2023 10:21:13 GMT -5
I also never said Jerrit Elliot was a bad coach this time. That is me entire point. YOU guys did.
All I simply said was at the beginning of the year when I voiced my opinion on something, something ALOT of you are voicing right now, I was dragged for being a hater.
Now itās ok because you guys are doing it?
Thatās my point. Itās hypocritical. And donāt give me the BS that you guys can say it because you guys are Texas fans, cause to be completely honesty, I canāt remember a single post where I disparaged Texas as a program. In fact, one of my first post on this site in 2013 was a post of me praising Texas and most specifically, Haley eckerman who was my favorite non wahine volleyball Player for a long time.
You guys have so many local girls on your team, why would I hate you guys? Sure I like other teams more, but Iāve never talked bad about your program. I may have said things about your coaches, but itās thing once again, yall are saying.
The long time Texas posters can attest, Iāve had plenty of conversations in messages about them about it too
Like I said, your coaching staff is far from my favorite, and that has very little to do with their coaching ability, to be quite frank, I think Elliot is a dick. And donāt get my started on who he hired.
But it seems like the ones who do buy into the program, genuinely do love him, as evident by eggleston, SKT etc. good for them and Texas. I would trade my soul for the wahine to have success like Texas
It wonāt happen so kudos to Texas for staying relevant
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 10, 2023 10:38:47 GMT -5
If any UT player comes through here and reads this, which I hope they don't, we all just sound like sound bites and HYPERcritical. Again, it was a culmination of everything with K State playing REALLY well and us actually performing per our season average performance. There was questionable hitting and setting BUT that's been all season. Y'all need to realize that it just caught up to us. It was a perfect storm that we couldn't get out of. Blaming and bashing players, who are TRYING their best and working their ass off, will not do anything lol. IT WON'T. Same thing for the Hawaii thread. I can give Texas posters props, to be honest, yall are ALOT nicer to the players than the Hawaii āfansā are. Most of the Hawaii fans are truly vile, and even threaten their own players. Itās gross
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