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Post by tomclen on Dec 18, 2022 8:36:05 GMT -5
Thanks to the portal, we have quality PAC players transferring to other conferences. A top PAC coach has "transferred" to the B1G. And, as we know, it's not just players and coaches, but entire universities. USC & UCLA have also "transferred" and any hope that the switch would be stopped, has now been eliminated. There wasn't a single PAC VB school in the top 10 for attendance this year. At this point we have no clue if new teams will be added or more will be lost. Will it become the PAC10 again? PAC8? Just the PAC? And the conference has, IMO, the worst VB TV coverage of any of the top conferences. Add all that up, and it has to be some heavy lifting for recruiters right now.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Dec 18, 2022 8:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by vup on Dec 18, 2022 9:09:08 GMT -5
UW underperformed this season, imo. I get that Keagan is a loss, but UW is a great job, and they "should" be able to find someone who can keep them among the volleyball elites.
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Post by vup on Dec 18, 2022 9:14:08 GMT -5
USC and UCLA going to the B1G makes absolutely no sense. Might as well just create the NFC and AFC with 200 teams each, and random subdivisions. lol
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Post by minnley on Dec 18, 2022 9:19:20 GMT -5
Relax. There are still quality teams in what is currently the PAC-12 even without the 2 LA schools. Oregon might slip a bit without Brooke, but they'll still be a top 15 team. Washington will make a good hire and stay relevant. Washington State and Utah have good programs. And last but not least Stanford is going to win it all next year (in part because I might implode if Texas goes back to back).
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Post by minnley on Dec 18, 2022 9:20:25 GMT -5
Relax. There are still quality teams in what is currently the PAC-12 even without the 2 LA schools. Oregon might slip a bit without Brooke, but they'll still be a top 15 team. Washington will make a good hire and stay relevant. Washington State and Utah have good programs. And last but not least Stanford is going to win it all next year (in part because I might implode if Texas goes back to back).
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Post by vup on Dec 18, 2022 9:21:25 GMT -5
And don't count out the buffs. That campus can recruit for itself. Same with many of the west coast schools. Who cares about winning or losing when you can live in paradise? Lol
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 18, 2022 10:11:40 GMT -5
And don't count out the buffs. That campus can recruit for itself. Same with many of the west coast schools. Who cares about winning or losing when you can live in paradise? Lol One thing Jesse does very well is keeping players happy. Don’t see a lot of transfers outs. CU is one big player away from completing with these top 20 programs. I like the freshmen class coming in. CU is due for a freshman to come in and make an immediate impact. Boulder is beautiful but the people are getting weirder and weirder. CU football is about to be put on the map. Hopefully that can spill over to volleyball attendance and excitement.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 18, 2022 10:19:44 GMT -5
USC and UCLA going to the B1G makes absolutely no sense. Might as well just create the NFC and AFC with 200 teams each, and random subdivisions. lol It makes perfect sense. It's all about money and USC football.
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Post by liberovb10 on Dec 18, 2022 10:32:35 GMT -5
USC and UCLA going to the B1G makes absolutely no sense. Might as well just create the NFC and AFC with 200 teams each, and random subdivisions. lol It makes perfect sense. It's all about money and USC football. and UCLA Men’s Basketball
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 18, 2022 10:39:02 GMT -5
It makes perfect sense. It's all about money and USC football. and UCLA Men’s Basketball Not really. Basketball doesn't really matter for conference realignment (ask Kansas). UCLA's market is more valuable to the Big Ten than their basketball program is. It's all about money and USC football. USC can get an invite to any conference they want. UCLA is mostly getting in as USC's plus one.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 18, 2022 10:56:00 GMT -5
some things are counterintuitive.
social media creates a lot perception
for instance, the idea there will be two megaconferences, simply because two media giants can disporportionally fund two conferences more than others
doesn't mean it will play out that way
attendance is important, but not some end-all, it's a different culture out west, doesn't mean VB won't have powerhouses out west.
Pac-12 teams still draw well, that they may not draw 4000 a game isn't a big deal, now if it is miniscule, then yeah
Pac-12 is likely to add SDSU, now is that great or important for VB? probably not. in terms of VB, probably the biggest fan for that out west is Hilliard, his sales pitch will get a lot better
with 11 teams, or 10, or 12, a Pac-xx does have something other larger conferences don't have, more sustainment of existing rivalries, that the new mega-conferences are destroying save for a few
the Pac-12 has the draw of strong academic programs and high quality VB, that doesn't change
Oregon and Stanford made the elite 8, and close to final four, hard to argue the Pac-12 wasn't top tier and isn't top tier
UCLA & USC have to sell athletes now of some brutal travel. maybe ok in the age of xfers to sell for a year or two.
the SEC adn B1G won't be able to shut out the Pac-xx IF it stays together. to do otherwise would make NCs a joke.
while Oregon and Washing (and Utah) of course would covet B1G and maybe lesser B12 (& no they REALLY DO NOT WANT TO BE in THAT BIG12), the Pac-x can still carve a unique identity. with an expanded football playoff, now it's likely to have 1, and maybe two entrants most years in a 12 team tourney.
for VB, just don't see how ORegon, Utah, Stanford, Washington suffer that much, they'll still be in a great conference. Cal could still revamp and become relevent for VB. Arizona will still have growth potential. .
UCLA & USC making a money run, doesn't change that opportunity still exists for the rest of the Pac-xx, even with some (less of course) exposure in LA. In fact, it would be interesting if the Pac-xx moved their basketball and football playoffs to a neutral Socal site in the future, avoid Vegas saturation, it's not like that wouldn't generate interest. I"m sure SOfi stadium would find a Pac-xx playoff an attractive event.
UCLA & USC are going to be BEGGING for non-conference matches vs. Pac-xx teams, the Pac-xx would be wise to band together to make them PAY for that opportunity on their terms now. Of course UCLA/USC will try to throw their weight around. the Pac-xx (and all western schools) should to a degree go tell them to go f*ck themselves.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 18, 2022 11:01:17 GMT -5
some things are counterintuitive. social media creates a lot perception for instance, the idea there will be two megaconferences, simply because two media giants can disporportionally fund two conferences more than others doesn't mean it will play out that way attendance is important, but not some end-all, it's a different culture out west, doesn't mean VB won't have powerhouses out west. Pac-12 teams still draw well, that they may not draw 4000 a game isn't a big deal, now if it is miniscule, then yeah Pac-12 is likely to add SDSU, now is that great or important for VB? probably not. in terms of VB, probably the biggest fan for that out west is Hilliard, his sales pitch will get a lot better with 11 teams, or 10, or 12, a Pac-xx does have something other larger conferences don't have, more sustainment of existing rivalries, that the new mega-conferences are destroying save for a few the Pac-12 has the draw of strong academic programs and high quality VB, that doesn't change Oregon and Stanford made the elite 8, and close to final four, hard to argue the Pac-12 wasn't top tier and isn't top tier UCLA & USC have to sell athletes now of some brutal travel. maybe ok in the age of xfers to sell for a year or two. the SEC adn B1G won't be able to shut out the Pac-xx IF it stays together. to do otherwise would make NCs a joke. while Oregon and Washing (and Utah) of course would covet B1G and maybe lesser B12 (& no they REALLY DO NOT WANT TO BE in THAT BIG12), the Pac-x can still carve a unique identity. with an expanded football playoff, now it's likely to have 1, and maybe two entrants most years in a 12 team tourney. for VB, just don't see how ORegon, Utah, Stanford, Washington suffer that much, they'll still be in a great conference. Cal could still revamp and become relevent for VB. Arizona will still have growth potential. . UCLA & USC making a money run, doesn't change that opportunity still exists for the rest of the Pac-xx, even with some (less of course) exposure in LA. In fact, it would be interesting if the Pac-xx moved their basketball and football playoffs to a neutral Socal site in the future, avoid Vegas saturation, it's not like that wouldn't generate interest. I"m sure SOfi stadium would find a Pac-xx playoff an attractive event. UCLA & USC are going to be BEGGING for non-conference matches vs. Pac-xx teams, the Pac-xx would be wise to band together to make them PAY for that opportunity on their terms now. Of course UCLA/USC will try to throw their weight around. the Pac-xx (and all western schools) should to a degree go tell them to go f*ck themselves. Lol, if you think the Pac-12 (including volleyball) won't be hurt by the loss of USC and UCLA, you're kidding yourself. Edit: the last paragraph is especially hilarious. You think USC cares if they can't play Pac-12 schools in football anymore? First of all, Pac-12 teams would be stupid to decline a game with what is likely to be a perennial top 10 blue blood. And second, USC wants to get away from the rest of the Pac-12. In football especially, I think USC is absolutely gleeful to leave Oregon behind because the Ducks have been a real thorn in their side in the last decade or so. I would be surprised if USC schedules Oregon out of conference for a while. They might be fine with playing a tune-up against Arizona or Cal or something like that.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 18, 2022 11:03:14 GMT -5
Perception matters, and the clear perception within the PAC is that the Conference is declining. There is no doubt Oregon and Washington will bolt if there’s an opportunity to do it.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 18, 2022 11:46:10 GMT -5
Has anyone put together a list of VB transfers by conference?
It doesn't seem like PAC schools have seen a major influx of top players from other conferences. Am I wrong about that?
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