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Post by slxpress on Jun 22, 2023 15:17:54 GMT -5
Sure seems like there are a LOT of impact players still on the board - and as usual, many under the radar that will become impact players. There are over 1000+ 16U volleyball Club teams. There is so much talent out there that doesn't get talked about for a lot of different reasons. Then throw in the transfer portal. A lot of these so called "impact players" are going to transfer if they don't start as freshmen. That is the world we live in today. This is why teams like San Diego can make a run to the Final Four and why a program like Kentucky can win a national title. The days of the so called Blue Bloods dominating the sport of women's volleyball are over. Sure Wisconsin and Nebraska will always be in the hunt, but it is going to get a lot harder than it was in the past. And honestly Parity is the best thing for the sport. I can’t say I agree with this. The increasing number of athletes playing volleyball, the amount of time, money, and energy being poured into development, will absolutely help increase parity. But the portal helps the big programs more than the small ones. Of that I’m convinced. While Kentucky is not a “blue blood” per se, Skinner has built an extremely solid program that vies annually with Florida for SEC dominance. They had an extremely well coached team that was a passing and defensive dynamo with an outstanding setter, and at least one future national team quality pin hotter. I do not consider them in the same category as USD, which will always be a bit of an underdog competing with the big dogs without the same access to resources. I do enjoy cheering Coach Petrie’s squad on, so I hope they’re able to duplicate last season’s success at some point, but from my perspective that’s not going to be an easy task. But programs like Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and now Penn State this past year show over and over again they have the advantage when it comes to acquiring the best players out of the portal. So while players might leave due to lack of perceived playing time, they’re often replaced by more proven players. I will say it was exciting to see three teams in the Final Four last year that haven’t won a championship yet, but UT’s dominant performance with what amounted to a collection of all stars was a clear demonstration of who benefits the most from the portal era. That said, barring a coaching change it does appear to me that Pitt and Louisville aren’t preparing to take a back seat to anyone. I bet one or both coaches are hoisting the trophy at the end of the tournament within the next ten years. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 22, 2023 15:28:49 GMT -5
Sure seems like there are a LOT of impact players still on the board - and as usual, many under the radar that will become impact players. There are over 1000+ 16U volleyball Club teams. There is so much talent out there that doesn't get talked about for a lot of different reasons. Then throw in the transfer portal. A lot of these so called "impact players" are going to transfer if they don't start as freshmen. That is the world we live in today. This is why teams like San Diego can make a run to the Final Four and why a program like Kentucky can win a national title. The days of the so called Blue Bloods dominating the sport of women's volleyball are over. Sure Wisconsin and Nebraska will always be in the hunt, but it is going to get a lot harder than it was in the past. And honestly Parity is the best thing for the sport. Let's see... The Blue Bloods are still dominating (don't forget who led the B1G TEN or who won a Natty this year). Top choices are going to the standout schools. Kentucky's natty comes with a special set of circumstances that greatly aided them. (sorry UK fans) I hope San Diego (Pitt and Louisville too) can sustain their momentum, I guess we'll see. There may be 1000+ 16U teams but there aren't 1000+ 1's teams. The talent pool is great, but I don't know if we've reached parity yet. The covid bottleneck of some schools holding onto their fifth year players meant that other schools got looks from some really good incoming talent. That bottleneck is just about done, so we'll see how things shake out. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 22, 2023 15:30:37 GMT -5
There are over 1000+ 16U volleyball Club teams. There is so much talent out there that doesn't get talked about for a lot of different reasons. Then throw in the transfer portal. A lot of these so called "impact players" are going to transfer if they don't start as freshmen. That is the world we live in today. This is why teams like San Diego can make a run to the Final Four and why a program like Kentucky can win a national title. The days of the so called Blue Bloods dominating the sport of women's volleyball are over. Sure Wisconsin and Nebraska will always be in the hunt, but it is going to get a lot harder than it was in the past. And honestly Parity is the best thing for the sport. I can’t say I agree with this. The increasing number of athletes playing volleyball, the amount of time, money, and energy being poured into development, will absolutely help increase parity. But the portal helps the big programs more than the small ones. Of that I’m convinced. While Kentucky is not a “blue blood” per se, Skinner has built an extremely solid program that vies annually with Florida for SEC dominance. They had an extremely well coached team that was a passing and defensive dynamo with an outstanding setter, and at least one future national team quality pin hotter. I do not consider them in the same category as USD, which will always be a bit of an underdog competing with the big dogs without the same access to resources. I do enjoy cheering Coach Petrie’s squad on, so I hope they’re able to duplicate last season’s success at some point, but from my perspective that’s not going to be an easy task. But programs like Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and now Penn State this past year show over and over again they have the advantage when it comes to acquiring the best players out of the portal. So while players might leave due to lack of perceived playing time, they’re often replaced by more proven players. I will say it was exciting to see three teams in the Final Four last year that haven’t won a championship yet, but UT’s dominant performance with what amounted to a collection of all stars was a clear demonstration of who benefits the most from the portal era. That said, barring a coaching change it does appear to me that Pitt and Louisville aren’t preparing to take a back seat to anyone. I bet one or both coaches are hoisting the trophy at the end of the tournament within the next ten years. Oh heck yeah! ALL of THAT (and a bag of chips  ) |
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Post by rjaege on Jun 22, 2023 15:42:22 GMT -5
There are over 1000+ 16U volleyball Club teams. There is so much talent out there that doesn't get talked about for a lot of different reasons. Then throw in the transfer portal. A lot of these so called "impact players" are going to transfer if they don't start as freshmen. That is the world we live in today. This is why teams like San Diego can make a run to the Final Four and why a program like Kentucky can win a national title. The days of the so called Blue Bloods dominating the sport of women's volleyball are over. Sure Wisconsin and Nebraska will always be in the hunt, but it is going to get a lot harder than it was in the past. And honestly Parity is the best thing for the sport. I can’t say I agree with this. The increasing number of athletes playing volleyball, the amount of time, money, and energy being poured into development, will absolutely help increase parity. But the portal helps the big programs more than the small ones. Of that I’m convinced. While Kentucky is not a “blue blood” per se, Skinner has built an extremely solid program that vies annually with Florida for SEC dominance. They had an extremely well coached team that was a passing and defensive dynamo with an outstanding setter, and at least one future national team quality pin hotter. I do not consider them in the same category as USD, which will always be a bit of an underdog competing with the big dogs without the same access to resources. I do enjoy cheering Coach Petrie’s squad on, so I hope they’re able to duplicate last season’s success at some point, but from my perspective that’s not going to be an easy task. But programs like Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and now Penn State this past year show over and over again they have the advantage when it comes to acquiring the best players out of the portal. So while players might leave due to lack of perceived playing time, they’re often replaced by more proven players. I will say it was exciting to see three teams in the Final Four last year that haven’t won a championship yet, but UT’s dominant performance with what amounted to a collection of all stars was a clear demonstration of who benefits the most from the portal era. That said, barring a coaching change it does appear to me that Pitt and Louisville aren’t preparing to take a back seat to anyone. I bet one or both coaches are hoisting the trophy at the end of the tournament within the next ten years. What's new was the number of transfers that went to one team, TX, last year, with what appears to be a common goal, win a national championship. TX was a top 5 team that got hit hard by transfers leaving, which left room for incoming transfers. It also appears that TX used NIL to add 1 or 2 more. Result a dominant National Championship team. Congrats to TX. They turned transfer loses into a winning situation. Not sure that will be repeated because many of the transfers were graduates playing their 5th yr as a result of covid. But there will always be transfers leaving one team for a stronger team. Also players seeking playing time leaving for teams where they can achieve that, which opens scholarships on the team they left. Both these favor the stronger teams |
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Post by Friday on Jun 22, 2023 15:45:03 GMT -5
How does the domino thing work in this instance. Are programs holding back on offers to other prospects until they know the answers from the tippy top ones? Do the coaches tell those held back prospects that they might get an offer in the unlikely chance that their offer to the tippy toppers don't pan out? Do programs make contingent offers - like "you get an offer if so and so says no"? (Imagine that wouldn't go over that well!) Do recruits who don't get offers to their target school wait around hoping for an offer? Why aren't other programs swopping in and making offers to those prospects in that case? If coaches are making more offers than they can support with scholarships, it might make sense for a non-tippy-top recruit to accept early to reserve a scholarship space (assuming the program stands by it's scholarship promise - I know, a big assumption). The only possible issue getting in the way of saying yes would be playing time if a tippy top recruit also says yes afterward, but how many of the top programs have space for more than one OH slot left? Again, presuming the school holds to its promises, that roster space constraint would tend to argue even stronger for earlier commitments. Trying to understand the decision landscape that a recruit besides a Mullen or a Spears faces. It could be we're not looking at a domino effect waiting to go off so much as a lot of students taking their time, maybe waiting for visits (of course that comes with risks too). Most volleyball coaches do not just offer scholarships to several people at same position the way they do in football. Volleyball coaches only make offers to those they truly want. Occasionally it may come down to we offered you and another person and whomever takes it first gets it, but I don't think that is the norm and not for the top level people who are in play now. Often the next level players are told they are in a teams Top 3 or Top 5. They are holding out for #1 so those very good players that are at the top of the list need the #1s to commit so the coaches can move down the line. And that same player is probably tops on several lists so once that domino falls the schools priority list shuffles accordingly. I think the top level recruits that are still out there are waiting to hit a couple of camps to make their decision. I don't think most will wait until August to take official or unofficial visits. A few will but most won't. We are a week in and the excitement is probably starting to wear off. The multiple calls a day, the video, the going to multiple camps starts to wear on them and they just want to make a decision and be done so they can go back to focusing on volleyball. The recruiting side can turn into a full time job for some of them. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 22, 2023 17:19:50 GMT -5
How does the domino thing work in this instance. Are programs holding back on offers to other prospects until they know the answers from the tippy top ones? Do the coaches tell those held back prospects that they might get an offer in the unlikely chance that their offer to the tippy toppers don't pan out? Do programs make contingent offers - like "you get an offer if so and so says no"? (Imagine that wouldn't go over that well!) Do recruits who don't get offers to their target school wait around hoping for an offer? Why aren't other programs swopping in and making offers to those prospects in that case? If coaches are making more offers than they can support with scholarships, it might make sense for a non-tippy-top recruit to accept early to reserve a scholarship space (assuming the program stands by it's scholarship promise - I know, a big assumption). The only possible issue getting in the way of saying yes would be playing time if a tippy top recruit also says yes afterward, but how many of the top programs have space for more than one OH slot left? Again, presuming the school holds to its promises, that roster space constraint would tend to argue even stronger for earlier commitments. Trying to understand the decision landscape that a recruit besides a Mullen or a Spears faces. It could be we're not looking at a domino effect waiting to go off so much as a lot of students taking their time, maybe waiting for visits (of course that comes with risks too). Most volleyball coaches do not just offer scholarships to several people at same position the way they do in football. Volleyball coaches only make offers to those they truly want. Occasionally it may come down to we offered you and another person and whomever takes it first gets it, but I don't think that is the norm and not for the top level people who are in play now. Often the next level players are told they are in a teams Top 3 or Top 5. They are holding out for #1 so those very good players that are at the top of the list need the #1s to commit so the coaches can move down the line. And that same player is probably tops on several lists so once that domino falls the schools priority list shuffles accordingly. I think the top level recruits that are still out there are waiting to hit a couple of camps to make their decision. I don't think most will wait until August to take official or unofficial visits. A few will but most won't. We are a week in and the excitement is probably starting to wear off. The multiple calls a day, the video, the going to multiple camps starts to wear on them and they just want to make a decision and be done so they can go back to focusing on volleyball. The recruiting side can turn into a full time job for some of them. Thanks! |
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Post by OHVBKING on Jun 22, 2023 17:21:11 GMT -5
The SEC is behind the curve a little bit with VB because there just aren't as many powerhouse Clubs in the Southeast. But is slowly starting to change and with Texas joining the SEC I think we are going to see more Texas kids opt to play in the SEC. Once some of the big money schools get volleyball figured out watch out. A school like Alabama or Tennessee could turn into a powerhouse over night with the money and resources.
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Post by charger0304 on Jun 22, 2023 18:41:18 GMT -5
The SEC is behind the curve a little bit with VB because there just aren't as many powerhouse Clubs in the Southeast. But is slowly starting to change and with Texas joining the SEC I think we are going to see more Texas kids opt to play in the SEC. Once some of the big money schools get volleyball figured out watch out. A school like Alabama or Tennessee could turn into a powerhouse over night with the money and resources. This is…an odd take. Genuinely asking, how long have you been following DI VB? |
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Post by dizzydean on Jun 22, 2023 18:53:16 GMT -5
How does the domino thing work in this instance. Are programs holding back on offers to other prospects until they know the answers from the tippy top ones? Do the coaches tell those held back prospects that they might get an offer in the unlikely chance that their offer to the tippy toppers don't pan out? Do programs make contingent offers - like "you get an offer if so and so says no"? (Imagine that wouldn't go over that well!) Do recruits who don't get offers to their target school wait around hoping for an offer? Why aren't other programs swopping in and making offers to those prospects in that case? If coaches are making more offers than they can support with scholarships, it might make sense for a non-tippy-top recruit to accept early to reserve a scholarship space (assuming the program stands by it's scholarship promise - I know, a big assumption). The only possible issue getting in the way of saying yes would be playing time if a tippy top recruit also says yes afterward, but how many of the top programs have space for more than one OH slot left? Again, presuming the school holds to its promises, that roster space constraint would tend to argue even stronger for earlier commitments. Trying to understand the decision landscape that a recruit besides a Mullen or a Spears faces. It could be we're not looking at a domino effect waiting to go off so much as a lot of students taking their time, maybe waiting for visits (of course that comes with risks too). Most volleyball coaches do not just offer scholarships to several people at same position the way they do in football. Volleyball coaches only make offers to those they truly want. Occasionally it may come down to we offered you and another person and whomever takes it first gets it, but I don't think that is the norm and not for the top level people who are in play now. Often the next level players are told they are in a teams Top 3 or Top 5. They are holding out for #1 so those very good players that are at the top of the list need the #1s to commit so the coaches can move down the line. And that same player is probably tops on several lists so once that domino falls the schools priority list shuffles accordingly. I think the top level recruits that are still out there are waiting to hit a couple of camps to make their decision. I don't think most will wait until August to take official or unofficial visits. A few will but most won't. We are a week in and the excitement is probably starting to wear off. The multiple calls a day, the video, the going to multiple camps starts to wear on them and they just want to make a decision and be done so they can go back to focusing on volleyball. The recruiting side can turn into a full time job for some of them. I don’t know if that’s true anymore. I heard a top-30 mid-major coach was offering a handful of ‘25s a scholarship and the first one to claim it, got it. |
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Post by VBallLife on Jun 22, 2023 19:11:03 GMT -5
Most volleyball coaches do not just offer scholarships to several people at same position the way they do in football. Volleyball coaches only make offers to those they truly want. Occasionally it may come down to we offered you and another person and whomever takes it first gets it, but I don't think that is the norm and not for the top level people who are in play now. Often the next level players are told they are in a teams Top 3 or Top 5. They are holding out for #1 so those very good players that are at the top of the list need the #1s to commit so the coaches can move down the line. And that same player is probably tops on several lists so once that domino falls the schools priority list shuffles accordingly. I think the top level recruits that are still out there are waiting to hit a couple of camps to make their decision. I don't think most will wait until August to take official or unofficial visits. A few will but most won't. We are a week in and the excitement is probably starting to wear off. The multiple calls a day, the video, the going to multiple camps starts to wear on them and they just want to make a decision and be done so they can go back to focusing on volleyball. The recruiting side can turn into a full time job for some of them. I don’t know if that’s true anymore. I heard a top-30 mid-major coach was offering a handful of ‘25s a scholarship and the first one to claim it, got it. Exactly!! Or they have have a few hours to decide. Different coaches use different tactics. |
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Post by definitelymaybe on Jun 22, 2023 19:40:28 GMT -5
LSU
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Post by Friday on Jun 22, 2023 19:46:30 GMT -5
I don’t know if that’s true anymore. I heard a top-30 mid-major coach was offering a handful of ‘25s a scholarship and the first one to claim it, got it. Exactly!! Or they have have a few hours to decide. Different coaches use different tactics. This does happen and sounds like it is happening more this year. However I was responding to the question about dominoes falling. |
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Post by OHVBKING on Jun 22, 2023 20:13:36 GMT -5
The SEC is behind the curve a little bit with VB because there just aren't as many powerhouse Clubs in the Southeast. But is slowly starting to change and with Texas joining the SEC I think we are going to see more Texas kids opt to play in the SEC. Once some of the big money schools get volleyball figured out watch out. A school like Alabama or Tennessee could turn into a powerhouse over night with the money and resources. This is…an odd take. Genuinely asking, how long have you been following DI VB? Very long time. Womens basketball and softball have been the major female sports for a lot of the SEC schools. Vandy doesn't even have a team yet. The sport is growing and the club scene is expanding across the Southeast. It is just a matter of time before you have more than Florida, Kentucky, and Texas as SEC powerhouse programs. Nothing odd about it at all or you might be in denial. |
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Post by VBallLife on Jun 22, 2023 20:29:23 GMT -5
Exactly!! Or they have have a few hours to decide. Different coaches use different tactics. This does happen and sounds like it is happening more this year. However I was responding to the question about dominoes falling. Gotcha. Both are true. Kids have benefited from being patient as well. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Jun 22, 2023 21:47:53 GMT -5
anyone know where Kelly Kinney is interested or who is interested in her? im sure just about everyone wants her but wondering if she's leaning towards anywhere
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