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Post by staticb on May 4, 2023 14:02:05 GMT -5
Travel to USC/UCLA is an easier trip West than it will be for USC/UCLA going East.
- LA is easier to get to -- direct flights to there than from almost anywhere in the country. I'd argue that LA is going to be an easier (and possibly shorter) trip for several B1G schools, which lie in small college towns. One flights vs. two or a flight and a bus trip. (Speaking on non-revenue sports only, I know football teams will charter) Distance isn't a huge issue in terms of travel, it's how easy your school is to get to.
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Post by oldnewbie on May 4, 2023 14:24:34 GMT -5
Travel to USC/UCLA is an easier trip West than it will be for USC/UCLA going East. - LA is easier to get to -- direct flights to there than from almost anywhere in the country. I'd argue that LA is going to be an easier (and possibly shorter) trip for several B1G schools, which lie in small college towns. One flights vs. two or a flight and a bus trip. (Speaking on non-revenue sports only, I know football teams will charter) Distance isn't a huge issue in terms of travel, it's how easy your school is to get to. Volleyball will charter, most likely with another team. Volleyball/Soccer is likely. You literally have the same problem coming west. If your small town airport doesn't direct connect to LA one direction, then it won't the other either. If B1G teams aren't going to charter, then they will add a leg or bus each direction, too. |
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Post by n00b on May 4, 2023 15:29:15 GMT -5
Travel to USC/UCLA is an easier trip West than it will be for USC/UCLA going East. - LA is easier to get to -- direct flights to there than from almost anywhere in the country. I'd argue that LA is going to be an easier (and possibly shorter) trip for several B1G schools, which lie in small college towns. One flights vs. two or a flight and a bus trip. (Speaking on non-revenue sports only, I know football teams will charter) Distance isn't a huge issue in terms of travel, it's how easy your school is to get to. Volleyball will charter, most likely with another team. Volleyball/Soccer is likely. You literally have the same problem coming west. If your small town airport doesn't direct connect to LA one direction, then it won't the other either. If B1G teams aren't going to charter, then they will add a leg or bus each direction, too. Charter sharing seems tough. For starters, soccer plays Thursday-Sunday. And the volleyball schedule is fairly random to accommodate both football and tv schedules. You’d be forcing athletes to be on the road longer, potentially miss more class, to save some money. Not a great look. |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 4, 2023 15:46:23 GMT -5
Volleyball will charter, most likely with another team. Volleyball/Soccer is likely. You literally have the same problem coming west. If your small town airport doesn't direct connect to LA one direction, then it won't the other either. If B1G teams aren't going to charter, then they will add a leg or bus each direction, too. Charter sharing seems tough. For starters, soccer plays Thursday-Sunday. And the volleyball schedule is fairly random to accommodate both football and tv schedules. You’d be forcing athletes to be on the road longer, potentially miss more class, to save some money. Not a great look. You are assuming the schedules will not be coordinated. |
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Post by n00b on May 4, 2023 20:20:29 GMT -5
Charter sharing seems tough. For starters, soccer plays Thursday-Sunday. And the volleyball schedule is fairly random to accommodate both football and tv schedules. You’d be forcing athletes to be on the road longer, potentially miss more class, to save some money. Not a great look. You are assuming the schedules will not be coordinated. Soccer needs two days of rest between games. Volleyball doesnt. So yes, you can coordinate schedules but you’re probably building in extra days between matches for volleyball. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 4, 2023 20:54:01 GMT -5
There are lots of things the Big10 could do to help make travel to/from California easier. There is no guarantee the Big10 will bother to do any of them.
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Post by bbg95 on May 5, 2023 0:02:30 GMT -5
You are assuming the schedules will not be coordinated. Soccer needs two days of rest between games. Volleyball doesnt. So yes, you can coordinate schedules but you’re probably building in extra days between matches for volleyball. Volleyball also plays more matches than soccer does (twice as many in the Big Ten). I really doubt that schedules will be coordinated. I certainly don't think the current Big Ten schools will bother doing that. Maybe USC and UCLA would because they have the brunt of the extra travel, though I kind of doubt it. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 5, 2023 0:05:11 GMT -5
There are lots of things the Big10 could do to help make travel to/from California easier. There is no guarantee the Big10 will bother to do any of them. The one thing I think the Big Ten will do is have sports like women's volleyball play both LA schools on the same road trip. Other than that, I think USC and UCLA will be mostly on their own when it comes to dealing with the travel. That's just part of the deal for all the extra TV money. |
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Post by vergyltantor on May 5, 2023 5:02:30 GMT -5
There are lots of things the Big10 could do to help make travel to/from California easier. There is no guarantee the Big10 will bother to do any of them. The one thing I think the Big Ten will do is have sports like women's volleyball play both LA schools on the same road trip. Other than that, I think USC and UCLA will be mostly on their own when it comes to dealing with the travel. That's just part of the deal for all the extra TV money. I think ease of travel will be a major consideration in scheduling. In fact during incoming B1G commissioner Tony Petitti's introductory news conference he mentioned that preparation of scheduling when UCLA & USC join the conference as one of his listed priorities. For example last season Nebraska's east coast road trip was a Friday-Sunday trip to Maryland and Rutgers. In '21 they had a Penn St. and Rutgers trip. While I didn't do an extensive search, looking at Maryland and Rutgers they had some Iowa-Nebraska trips and I noticed an Indiana-Nebraska trip as well. If the L. A. schools follow suit they will charter flights which should make direct flights even to smaller airports possible. It will also help with transition time on the ground in most locations as well. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 5, 2023 5:16:49 GMT -5
Lots of talk about charter flights, which I know very little about. However, one thing I do know is that 19 passengers is a very important number, because that is the dividing line between bizjets and commercial airliners. Well, one of the dividing lines, anyway. But assuming a volleyball team travel party is more than 19 people (which seems likely), then they can't just charter even a large bizjet. And a lot of small RJs can't fly across the country non-stop.
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Post by vergyltantor on May 5, 2023 5:31:25 GMT -5
Lots of talk about charter flights, which I know very little about. However, one thing I do know is that 19 passengers is a very important number, because that is the dividing line between bizjets and commercial airliners. Well, one of the dividing lines, anyway. But assuming a volleyball team travel party is more than 19 people (which seems likely), then they can't just charter even a large bizjet. And a lot of small RJs can't fly across the country non-stop. Most of the IG or Twitter posts I have seen of Nebraska VB boarding and returning from road trips are on charter jets at Duncan Aviation on the general aviation side of the Lincoln airport. I have even seen shots of the Football team boarding large charters there. Duncan is very easy to get in and out of and 15 minutes from Hotels and sporting venues. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 5, 2023 5:39:26 GMT -5
Lots of talk about charter flights, which I know very little about. However, one thing I do know is that 19 passengers is a very important number, because that is the dividing line between bizjets and commercial airliners. Well, one of the dividing lines, anyway. But assuming a volleyball team travel party is more than 19 people (which seems likely), then they can't just charter even a large bizjet. And a lot of small RJs can't fly across the country non-stop. Most of the IG or Twitter posts I have seen of Nebraska VB boarding and returning from road trips are on charter jets at Duncan Aviation on the general aviation side of the Lincoln airport. I have even seen shots of the Football team boarding large charters there. Duncan is very easy to get in and out of and 15 minutes from Hotels and sporting venues. Um, OK? My point is that it is easier and significantly cheaper to charter a plane for either a small number of people or a short distance than if you have to charter one for a party too big for a bizjet and a flight too long for a regional jet. Think 737 or A320 or something like that. The problem is getting the range without having to fly too large of an airplane. Of course, they could just do tech stops (refueling). |
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Post by vergyltantor on May 5, 2023 5:50:25 GMT -5
Most of the IG or Twitter posts I have seen of Nebraska VB boarding and returning from road trips are on charter jets at Duncan Aviation on the general aviation side of the Lincoln airport. I have even seen shots of the Football team boarding large charters there. Duncan is very easy to get in and out of and 15 minutes from Hotels and sporting venues. Um, OK? My point is that it is easier and significantly cheaper to charter a plane for either a small number of people or a short distance than if you have to charter one for a party too big for a bizjet and a flight too long for a regional jet. Think 737 or A320 or something like that. The problem is getting the range without having to fly too large of an airplane. Of course, they could just do tech stops (refueling). Something like this? Longer-Range Business Jet Models Gulfstream G550 – 12.501 km. Bombardier Global Express – 11.112 km. Bombardier Challenger 604 – 7.452 km. Embraer Legacy 650 – 7.223 km. Bombardier Challenger 605 – 7.101 km. Embraer Legacy 600 – 5.955 km. Bombardier Challenger 300 – 5.800 km. Cessna Citation Sovereign – 5.800 km. Of course Trojans and Bruins wouldn't be caught dead boarding this one.   |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 5, 2023 7:39:00 GMT -5
Lots of talk about charter flights, which I know very little about. However, one thing I do know is that 19 passengers is a very important number, because that is the dividing line between bizjets and commercial airliners. Well, one of the dividing lines, anyway. But assuming a volleyball team travel party is more than 19 people (which seems likely), then they can't just charter even a large bizjet. And a lot of small RJs can't fly across the country non-stop. Correct. That is why one plan is for two sports to fly together on the same schedule. Travel with soccer and now you are talking 50+. |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 5, 2023 7:50:06 GMT -5
Most of the IG or Twitter posts I have seen of Nebraska VB boarding and returning from road trips are on charter jets at Duncan Aviation on the general aviation side of the Lincoln airport. I have even seen shots of the Football team boarding large charters there. Duncan is very easy to get in and out of and 15 minutes from Hotels and sporting venues. Um, OK? My point is that it is easier and significantly cheaper to charter a plane for either a small number of people or a short distance than if you have to charter one for a party too big for a bizjet and a flight too long for a regional jet. Think 737 or A320 or something like that. The problem is getting the range without having to fly too large of an airplane. Of course, they could just do tech stops (refueling). You would know better, but I've been told it's not just the distance but the large mountain ranges where smaller charters don't do as well. |
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