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Post by vergyltantor on May 5, 2023 7:59:33 GMT -5
 Coast to coast travel a basic design parameter for most business jets. I give up. |
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Post by n00b on May 5, 2023 8:40:11 GMT -5
I've been on a charter that had to stop to re-fuel. Not a big deal compared to flying commercial.
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Post by redbeard2008 on May 5, 2023 9:26:55 GMT -5
Coast to coast travel a basic design parameter for most business jets. I give up. The Huskers aren't flying "coast to coast"... |
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Post by bbg95 on May 5, 2023 9:47:12 GMT -5
The one thing I think the Big Ten will do is have sports like women's volleyball play both LA schools on the same road trip. Other than that, I think USC and UCLA will be mostly on their own when it comes to dealing with the travel. That's just part of the deal for all the extra TV money. I think ease of travel will be a major consideration in scheduling. In fact during incoming B1G commissioner Tony Petitti's introductory news conference he mentioned that preparation of scheduling when UCLA & USC join the conference as one of his listed priorities. For example last season Nebraska's east coast road trip was a Friday-Sunday trip to Maryland and Rutgers. In '21 they had a Penn St. and Rutgers trip. While I didn't do an extensive search, looking at Maryland and Rutgers they had some Iowa-Nebraska trips and I noticed an Indiana-Nebraska trip as well. If the L. A. schools follow suit they will charter flights which should make direct flights even to smaller airports possible. It will also help with transition time on the ground in most locations as well. I agree that they'll try to reduce travel. Having say, Wisconsin, play both LA schools on the same road trip is in line with that. I don't think they'll go out of their way to make special accommodations for USC and UCLA, though I'm not an expert on the logistics of traveling for college athletics. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 5, 2023 10:54:08 GMT -5
Longer-Range Business Jet Models Gulfstream G550 – 12.501 km. Bombardier Global Express – 11.112 km. Bombardier Challenger 604 – 7.452 km. Embraer Legacy 650 – 7.223 km. Bombardier Challenger 605 – 7.101 km. Embraer Legacy 600 – 5.955 km. Bombardier Challenger 300 – 5.800 km. Cessna Citation Sovereign – 5.800 km. You know how many of those can take more than 19 pax? None of them. That's why I asked how many people in a volleyball team travel party. Now "ultimate air shuttle" there looks to be a regional jet. Maybe an ERJ-135. Or something similar. That's got plenty of range to be flying around the midwest, but not so much to be flying from LA to New Jersey. Unless, as I say, they stop for fuel along the way. |
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Post by tomclen on May 5, 2023 12:26:17 GMT -5
I'm loving how for years we've had NCAA travel restrictions during the tournament. Now, it's like, "F--k it, you guys get on your charter jets and fly wherever the hell you want."  (Football money's a hell of a drug.) |
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Post by bbg95 on May 5, 2023 13:38:40 GMT -5
I'm loving how for years we've had NCAA travel restrictions during the tournament. Now, it's like, "F--k it, you guys get on your charter jets and fly wherever the hell you want." (Football money's a hell of a drug.) True, and there still is regionalization going on for many of the tournaments. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 7, 2023 22:41:35 GMT -5
I guess we now know the real reason why the Big 10 went after USC and UCLA. They wanted to grab the only two schools to ever win the NCAA Beach Volleyball title!
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Post by oldnewbie on May 8, 2023 10:46:49 GMT -5
I guess we now know the real reason why the Big 10 went after USC and UCLA. They wanted to grab the only two schools to ever win the NCAA Beach Volleyball title! Don't forget to give a shout out for their 24 men's titles. |
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on May 8, 2023 12:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on May 8, 2023 14:08:59 GMT -5
I guess we now know the real reason why the Big 10 went after USC and UCLA. They wanted to grab the only two schools to ever win the NCAA Beach Volleyball title! Don't forget to give a shout out for their 24 men's titles. I didn't realize that UCLA hadn't won the men's title since 2006 prior to the one they just won. USC's last men's title was all the way back in 1990. |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 8, 2023 19:05:50 GMT -5
Don't forget to give a shout out for their 24 men's titles. I didn't realize that UCLA hadn't won the men's title since 2006 prior to the one they just one. USC's last men's title was all the way back in 1990. Almost stranger is that Speraw was tied for the most championships since UCLA last won with 3, and would have had 4 if he had come to UCLA one year later. I believe he is now tied with Marv Dunphy for the second most Men's titles (4), after Scates with 19. Only 15 more to go! |
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Post by bluepenquin on May 9, 2023 7:45:05 GMT -5
I have seen mentioned from several sources that the B1G will not add Oregon and Washington unless/until other schools leave the PAC. What does this mean - and is it true?
The theory floated is that the B1G doesn't want to responsible for the destruction of the PAC, but would be willing to add more if the conference was already in trouble. Besides the fact that the B1G has already jeopardized the future of the PAC by adding USC and UCLA - is this for legal reasons? Are they afraid of legal issues from the remaining PAC schools if they took OR/WA or is this some kind of morale line they do not want to cross (or impact their image)?
The B1G saying they will not take OR/WA unless other schools leave - isn't the same as saying that they would take them once/if other schools leave. But why single those two schools out if that wasn't true. What has OR/WA been told and what do they think would happen.
Because - if the B1G plans to take OR/WA after (if) some or all of the corner schools go to the Big 12 - then it would seem that OR/WA would be doing everything they could for the PAC to implode. Are they interested in a new PAC deal, and what kind of guarantees would they be willing to agree that would bind them to the PAC in the future?
I have heard from the Arizona schools and now Washington State (and I think Utah) about the pending PAC TV deal, but have we heard anything coming out of Oregon or Washington? Just curious.
The PAC current deal is almost at the 12 months to expiring. This is cutting it rather close - I have to think this is hard on the athletic departments in terms of financial certainty for budgets. Certainly not ideal.
Finally - we have now two fairly recent reports that has either said that ESPN is actively talking about PAC deal or very much implied that they are. I have a hard time buying that they are delaying due to the optics of the timing at a time of large layoffs from the parent company. It is also possible that ESPN is only in discussions with the PAC in providing streaming services and not tier 1. And it is possible that ESPN has made an acceptable offer in principle on a tier 1 contract - and are just waiting for a better time to announce (distance from the layoffs). Who knows.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 9, 2023 7:51:40 GMT -5
Adding more to this. ESPN may not want OR/WA to join the B1G (and FOX) and would rather have them stay in the PAC and make a deal with the PAC. This could either put OR/WA with a lot of leverage with ESPN - 'how bad do you want to keep us from going to FOX and the B1G'. Or, OR/WA needs to lay very low on this and hope (let) the conference implodes and provides a clear path to the B1G.
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Post by bbg95 on May 9, 2023 8:24:49 GMT -5
I have seen mentioned from several sources that the B1G will not add Oregon and Washington unless/until other schools leave the PAC. What does this mean - and is it true? The theory floated is that the B1G doesn't want to responsible for the destruction of the PAC, but would be willing to add more if the conference was already in trouble. Besides the fact that the B1G has already jeopardized the future of the PAC by adding USC and UCLA - is this for legal reasons? Are they afraid of legal issues from the remaining PAC schools if they took OR/WA or is this some kind of morale line they do not want to cross (or impact their image)? The B1G saying they will not take OR/WA unless other schools leave - isn't the same as saying that they would take them once/if other schools leave. But why single those two schools out if that wasn't true. What has OR/WA been told and what do they think would happen. Because - if the B1G plans to take OR/WA after (if) some or all of the corner schools go to the Big 12 - then it would seem that OR/WA would be doing everything they could for the PAC to implode. Are they interested in a new PAC deal, and what kind of guarantees would they be willing to agree that would bind them to the PAC in the future? I have heard from the Arizona schools and now Washington State (and I think Utah) about the pending PAC TV deal, but have we heard anything coming out of Oregon or Washington? Just curious. The PAC current deal is almost at the 12 months to expiring. This is cutting it rather close - I have to think this is hard on the athletic departments in terms of financial certainty for budgets. Certainly not ideal. Finally - we have now two fairly recent reports that has either said that ESPN is actively talking about PAC deal or very much implied that they are. I have a hard time buying that they are delaying due to the optics of the timing at a time of large layoffs from the parent company. It is also possible that ESPN is only in discussions with the PAC in providing streaming services and not tier 1. And it is possible that ESPN has made an acceptable offer in principle on a tier 1 contract - and are just waiting for a better time to announce (distance from the layoffs). Who knows. ... Adding more to this. ESPN may not want OR/WA to join the B1G (and FOX) and would rather have them stay in the PAC and make a deal with the PAC. This could either put OR/WA with a lot of leverage with ESPN - 'how bad do you want to keep us from going to FOX and the B1G'. Or, OR/WA needs to lay very low on this and hope (let) the conference implodes and provides a clear path to the B1G. I remain skeptical that the Big Ten is truly interested in Oregon and Washington, and they're only holding back because they want the Pac-12 to survive. If the Big Ten was willing to poach USC (and their little brother, UCLA), which they had to know would jeopardize the Pac-12, I don't see why they would hold off on adding anyone else they really want. I also doubt that ESPN cares as much about OR/WA as they do about, say, Texas and Oklahoma. You make a good point that if Oregon and Washington have been assured safe passage to the Big Ten in the event of the Pac-12 imploding, they would be incentivized to kill the Pac-12. But again, I'm skeptical, and it's risky if they blow up the conference only to find out that the Big Ten isn't actually interested. I am also skeptical that ESPN is holding off on signing a deal because of optics. And that quote came from Wazzu, one of the schools with the most to lose if the Pac-12 collapses. |
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