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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 8, 2023 11:11:42 GMT -5
Tough cookies! If Biden voters didn't want him to run for a second term they shouldn't have elected him to a first term. People are welcome to be vote for a guy in the primaries who will lose by 80 points. There's no reason for an incumbent to debate anyone.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 8, 2023 11:27:50 GMT -5
The interesting historical precedent here is that RFK decided to challenge a sitting president from his own party, and thus was in good position when that president suddenly decided to end his campaign for a second elected term.
That could *easily* be the situation in the Democratic 2024 campaign as well.
(I say this ignoring that I would maybe vote for Ted f*cking Cruz before voting for RFK Jr.)
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Post by n00b on Jul 8, 2023 11:32:06 GMT -5
Tough cookies! If Biden voters didn't want him to run for a second term they shouldn't have elected him to a first term. People are welcome to be vote for a guy in the primaries who will lose by 80 points. There's no reason for an incumbent to debate anyone. Independent of the current situation, I’d be all for rules/laws being passed that you must participate in debates to be eligible to be on the primary ballot. It can start 20 years from now so we don’t know which party it would benefit/hurt first, but debates are a good thing.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 8, 2023 11:34:24 GMT -5
I’d be all for rules/laws being passed that you must participate in debates to be eligible to be on the primary ballot. Freedom of association. The law has almost zero say in how parties choose to nominate their own candidates.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 8, 2023 11:39:15 GMT -5
Also, how many debates did Trump have against Republican challengers in 2020?
(And no, counting Biden as "Republican-adjacent" is funny, but not a valid answer to the question.)
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 8, 2023 11:46:37 GMT -5
Tough cookies! If Biden voters didn't want him to run for a second term they shouldn't have elected him to a first term. People are welcome to be vote for a guy in the primaries who will lose by 80 points. There's no reason for an incumbent to debate anyone. Independent of the current situation, I’d be all for rules/laws being passed that you must participate in debates to be eligible to be on the primary ballot. It can start 20 years from now so we don’t know which party it would benefit/hurt first, but debates are a good thing. Primaries don't have to exist. They're a relatively recent phenomenon in American history. Biden could probably ram through his renomination without a primary. And general election presidential debates are largely meaningless. It's likely we won't have one at all in the future. If it's Biden-Trump next year, there's no chance.
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Post by n00b on Jul 8, 2023 12:00:09 GMT -5
I’d be all for rules/laws being passed that you must participate in debates to be eligible to be on the primary ballot. Freedom of association. The law has almost zero say in how parties choose to nominate their own candidates. Each state can choose the requirements for candidates to show up on the ballot. Right?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jul 8, 2023 12:13:03 GMT -5
Also, how many debates did Trump have against Republican challengers in 2020? (And no, counting Biden as "Republican-adjacent" is funny, but not a valid answer to the question.) Have you noticed how desperate Democrats are to keep Joe Biden out of the spotlight because they know how far gone he is with dementia? What are you afraid of Mike? You big scaredy-cats.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 8, 2023 12:13:30 GMT -5
Freedom of association. The law has almost zero say in how parties choose to nominate their own candidates. Each state can choose the requirements for candidates to show up on the ballot. Right? They don't even have to have ballots for primaries. Some states have caucuses. And party primaries don't actually select the candidates anyway. They only select delegates to the party national convention. It's the national convention that selects the party candidates. And no, states can NOT determine the rules for a partisan primary. This was decided by the SCOTUS about 10-15 years ago. Washington used to have an "open primary" where anybody could vote in the primary for any candidate they wanted, regardless of party. California decided they liked that, so they copied it. The parties sued, and they won. They said if violated their freedom of association for people who were not party members to be able to vote in party primaries. No more open primaries. The "Top Two" primary is legal because it is non-partisan. States don't *have* to have partisan primaries (or even partisan elected offices).
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Post by bobinmd on Jul 8, 2023 12:16:20 GMT -5
Also, how many debates did Trump have against Republican challengers in 2020? (And no, counting Biden as "Republican-adjacent" is funny, but not a valid answer to the question.) Have you noticed how desperate Democrats are to keep Joe Biden out of the spotlight because they know how far gone he is with dementia? What are you afraid of Mike? You big scaredy-cats. I’m not a Dem but Joe is still the better candidate than his Orangeness. ✝️
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jul 8, 2023 12:21:58 GMT -5
Have you noticed how desperate Democrats are to keep Joe Biden out of the spotlight because they know how far gone he is with dementia? What are you afraid of Mike? You big scaredy-cats. I’m not a Dem but Joe is still the better candidate than his Orangeness. ✝️ Then you’re not very smart.
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Post by bobinmd on Jul 8, 2023 12:30:35 GMT -5
I’m not a Dem but Joe is still the better candidate than his Orangeness. ✝️ Then you’re not very smart. False still again. ✝️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 13:28:40 GMT -5
So you're not okay with the son of a president doing drugs, but you're okay with a candidate who was busted for possession of heroin? And he's an environmentalist who doesn't like wind power, nuclear power, or the use of dams on rivers. He doesn't like hydrogen as a fuel and disliked George Bush's creation of a maritime national park. He's no an old-school Democrat. He's not a new-school Democrat. He's just the child of a 'prestige' family who was spoiled growing up and lived that way as an adult (so he's like the really wealthy of both parties then) Pretty remarkable that Biden isn’t even confident he can win a debate against THAT guy. Sitting presidents don't debate candidates within their party.
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Post by bobinmd on Jul 8, 2023 13:44:10 GMT -5
I’m not a Dem but Joe is still the better candidate than his Orangeness. ✝️ Then you’re not very smart. Your Orange guy said in 2016, presidential candidates under indictment should not be able to run. Orange’s own words. Given that how is he a better candidate than ... anyone? ✝️
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 8, 2023 14:08:49 GMT -5
RFK Jr is a loon whose own family members wouldn't vote for him. He's getting donations from fellow loons and Republicans (but I repeat myself) hoping he can somehow challenge Biden. He's a sideshow.
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