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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 8, 2023 19:12:10 GMT -5
I was assured the electric car companies are going broke.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 8, 2023 19:12:52 GMT -5
đł rough afternoon for holiday Let me see I have proved that people are using their credit cards to pay their regular bills. I have proved that electric car manufacturers are struggling mightily to survive. I proved that Americans are struggling to survive. And I think itâs pretty par for the course of Democrats pretend to be in a world that doesnât exist. But you keep supporting Joe Biden. He is great at the economy. Electric car manufacturers are not âstruggling mightily to survive.â
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Post by HOLIDAY on Aug 8, 2023 19:15:00 GMT -5
Let me see I have proved that people are using their credit cards to pay their regular bills. I have proved that electric car manufacturers are struggling mightily to survive. I proved that Americans are struggling to survive. And I think itâs pretty par for the course of Democrats pretend to be in a world that doesnât exist. But you keep supporting Joe Biden. He is great at the economy. Electric car manufacturers are not âstruggling mightily to survive.â No theyâre just losing money like crazy.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 8, 2023 19:18:08 GMT -5
Electric car manufacturers are not âstruggling mightily to survive.â No theyâre just losing money like crazy. Also false!
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Aug 8, 2023 19:18:40 GMT -5
So youâre saying that EV sales slowdowns are due to pricing and current interest rates instead ofâŚwell, whatever it was you were trying to claim? Iâm not sure thatâs completely true, but it is plausible. what is the average price of a electric vehicle? How many people can afford that right now? Do they work in adverse weather? Are they consistent? Can you find chargers throughout all of America? Do the batteries last? Perhaps before we went all in we shouldâve done a little more investigating. Repeat: "Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 38% in June 2023 compared to June 2022, rising to 1,260,000 units. In the end, plugins represented 19% share of the world's overall auto market " You keep funding Russia's war, the Saudi's opulence, high co2 emissions and oil company profits, you conscientious soul you. Thank you Biden incentives.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Aug 8, 2023 19:22:48 GMT -5
So youâre saying that EV sales slowdowns are due to pricing and current interest rates instead ofâŚwell, whatever it was you were trying to claim? Iâm not sure thatâs completely true, but it is plausible. what is the average price of a electric vehicle? How many people can afford that right now? Do they work in adverse weather? Are they consistent? Can you find chargers throughout all of America? Do the batteries last? Perhaps before we went all in we shouldâve done a little more investigating. 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EV LTâ $19,995 after Biden tax credit.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 8, 2023 19:28:58 GMT -5
So youâre saying that EV sales slowdowns are due to pricing and current interest rates instead ofâŚwell, whatever it was you were trying to claim? Iâm not sure thatâs completely true, but it is plausible. what is the average price of a electric vehicle? How many people can afford that right now? Do they work in adverse weather? Are they consistent? Can you find chargers throughout all of America? Do the batteries last? Perhaps before we went all in we shouldâve done a little more investigating. So now you're saying EV sales are not the result of price points and current interest rates after seemingly saying that was exactly the reason for slowdowns in auto sales in an earlier post? You are very confused to the point you don't really know what you're arguing. EV's are exactly the same as ICE autos - you can pay a lot for a premium model, you can pay much less for an economy model. EV's work in all weather, batteries are very reliable (I've never had to change them out or had a problem in 11 years of owning an EV), there are chargers all over America with thousands more being added each year. Oh, and here are the most recent financial results of a couple of those big "almost bankrupt" EV manufacturers. Nice! media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/07/27/second-quarter-2023-financial-results.htmlwww.cnbc.com/2023/07/25/general-motors-gm-earnings-q2-2023.html
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Post by hammer on Aug 8, 2023 19:40:35 GMT -5
Did management and the board sell their stock before it plunged? I just looked up the share price and it's now at 17 cents.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2023 19:51:16 GMT -5
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2023 19:54:34 GMT -5
what is the average price of a electric vehicle? How many people can afford that right now? Do they work in adverse weather? Are they consistent? Can you find chargers throughout all of America? Do the batteries last? Perhaps before we went all in we shouldâve done a little more investigating. 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EV LTâ $19,995 after Biden tax credit. If you income qualify, you can get between $2000 and $7000 more in California.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2023 19:58:16 GMT -5
Electric car manufacturers are not âstruggling mightily to survive.â No theyâre just losing money like crazy. 07/25/2023 GM Lifts Guidance After 68% Earnings Leap. Cheaper EVs, Cybertruck Rival Coming 'Soon.'
On the GM earnings call, questions swirled around its current pace of rolling out new electric vehicles, while management sought to highlight a big expansion into the mainstream EV market.
In the current third quarter and Q4, GM plans to start producing a total of five-six new EV models, the presentation showed. Those will include two all-electric SUVs from the mass-market Chevrolet brand, with prices starting around $30,000. The No. 1 U.S. automaker had planned to phase out its older-generation, relatively affordable Bolt EV by end of year, but said Tuesday the model will live on.
By 2025, GM is targeting $50 billion in EV revenue.
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Post by hammer on Aug 8, 2023 20:36:54 GMT -5
So youâre saying that EV sales slowdowns are due to pricing and current interest rates instead ofâŚwell, whatever it was you were trying to claim? Iâm not sure thatâs completely true, but it is plausible. what is the average price of a electric vehicle? How many people can afford that right now? Do they work in adverse weather? Are they consistent? Can you find chargers throughout all of America? Do the batteries last? Perhaps before we went all in we shouldâve done a little more investigating. According Cox Automotive the average transaction price for electric cars was $53,438 in June 2023, vs. gas-powered vehicles at $48,808. Tesla contributed to a substantial drop in EV prices since late last year as it cut prices. Ultimately it comes down to TCO or total cost of ownership including things like insurance, maintenance, trade-in value or depreciation, electricity or gas costs, government tax credits, etc. Regarding adverse weather there are some issues. As you turn up or down the temperature, the loss of range is apparent. At 5F, EVs drop to 54% of their rated range, meaning a car that is rated for 250 miles will only get on average 135 miles. High heat is also culpable, but it's only on the order of 15%. Here in Northern Minnesota you hardly ever see an EV, even in the middle of summer when it makes the most sense to operate one. Tesla installed charging stations next to a local grocery store, but they are always empty. OTOH, where I live in California, Los Altos, the number of Tesla EVs per capita is the highest in the nation. Gas prices are extremely high in CA and free charging electricity can be found at school and company parking lots. EV batteries are usually good for about 300,000 to 500,000 miles if you maintain the battery pack at peak performance. That means you should keep your EV charged between 60 percent and 80 percent most of the time, minimize fast charging, and avoid extreme temperatures over long periods of time.âŻ
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Post by HOLIDAY on Aug 8, 2023 20:51:40 GMT -5
what is the average price of a electric vehicle? How many people can afford that right now? Do they work in adverse weather? Are they consistent? Can you find chargers throughout all of America? Do the batteries last? Perhaps before we went all in we shouldâve done a little more investigating. According Cox Automotive the average transaction price for electric cars was $53,438 in June 2023, vs. gas-powered vehicles at $48,808. Tesla contributed to a substantial drop in EV prices since late last year as it cut prices. Ultimately it comes down to TCO or total cost of ownership including things like insurance, maintenance, trade-in value or depreciation, electricity or gas costs, government tax credits, etc. Regarding adverse weather there are some issues. As you turn up or down the temperature, the loss of range is apparent. At 5F, EVs drop to 54% of their rated range, meaning a car that is rated for 250 miles will only get on average 135 miles. High heat is also culpable, but it's only on the order of 15%. Here in Northern Minnesota you hardly ever see an EV, even in the middle of summer when it makes the most sense to operate one. Tesla installed charging stations next to a local grocery store, but they are always empty. OTOH, where I live in California, Los Altos, the number of Tesla EVs per capita is the highest in the nation. Gas prices are extremely high in CA and free charging electricity can be found at school and company parking lots. EV batteries are usually good for about 300,000 to 500,000 miles if you maintain the battery pack at peak performance. That means you should keep your EV charged between 60 percent and 80 percent most of the time, minimize fast charging, and avoid extreme temperatures over long periods of time.⯠Thanks hammer, comprehensive as usual. I appreciate the information.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 8, 2023 21:52:22 GMT -5
what is the average price of a electric vehicle? How many people can afford that right now? Do they work in adverse weather? Are they consistent? Can you find chargers throughout all of America? Do the batteries last? Perhaps before we went all in we shouldâve done a little more investigating. So now you're saying EV sales are not the result of price points and current interest rates after seemingly saying that was exactly the reason for slowdowns in auto sales in an earlier post? You are very confused to the point you don't really know what you're arguing. EV's are exactly the same as ICE autos - you can pay a lot for a premium model, you can pay much less for an economy model. EV's work in all weather, batteries are very reliable (I've never had to change them out or had a problem in 11 years of owning an EV), there are chargers all over America with thousands more being added each year. Oh, and here are the most recent financial results of a couple of those big "almost bankrupt" EV manufacturers. Nice! media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/07/27/second-quarter-2023-financial-results.htmlwww.cnbc.com/2023/07/25/general-motors-gm-earnings-q2-2023.htmlI borrowed a friendâs Tesla for a weekend. Beyond getting over the ick factor of Musk, itâs been great. Iâm trying to figure out where the nightmare is about failures . I borrowed a Model 3 with more than 50k miles made in 2018. Itâs got about 97% of its original published range.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 9, 2023 9:39:52 GMT -5
So now you're saying EV sales are not the result of price points and current interest rates after seemingly saying that was exactly the reason for slowdowns in auto sales in an earlier post? You are very confused to the point you don't really know what you're arguing. EV's are exactly the same as ICE autos - you can pay a lot for a premium model, you can pay much less for an economy model. EV's work in all weather, batteries are very reliable (I've never had to change them out or had a problem in 11 years of owning an EV), there are chargers all over America with thousands more being added each year. Oh, and here are the most recent financial results of a couple of those big "almost bankrupt" EV manufacturers. Nice! media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/07/27/second-quarter-2023-financial-results.htmlwww.cnbc.com/2023/07/25/general-motors-gm-earnings-q2-2023.htmlI borrowed a friendâs Tesla for a weekend. Beyond getting over the ick factor of Musk, itâs been great. Iâm trying to figure out where the nightmare is about failures . I borrowed a Model 3 with more than 50k miles made in 2018. Itâs got about 97% of its original published range. I think the nightmare is when it catches fire and locks you inside because the doors stop working when the power is off.
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