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Post by Disc808 on Nov 8, 2023 16:53:20 GMT -5
Monza wins, 3-1. Ran was MVP and Loeppky was clutch as a sub for Szawrc. Sani was quite good for the most part
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Post by bruinsgold on Nov 8, 2023 17:29:22 GMT -5
We've been discussing this in the Volleyball Source Discord channel during this Verona-Monza match and don't have an answer - when, if it all, did Francesco Sani switch his sporting nationality to Italian? The LegaVolley website lists his birth place as USA (obviously) but his sporting nationality as Italian. He's starting at outside hitter with only two other Italians in the starting 7, and this lineup wouldn't be compliant with the Italian foreigner limit except if Sani is considered Italian. Sure, he clearly has Italian heritage (his name is Francesco Sani, for goodness sake) but he played U19 and U21 for the US and I never heard anything about him switching I don't know if you're still looking for an answer Rob, but our resident Italian volleyball expert mberlanda posted this about it in late October: Related news about the US junior national team. dal15al25.gazzetta.it/2023/10/23/sani-giochera-da-italiano/_________________________________________________________________________ MACHINE TRANSLATION Sani will play as Italian By Gian Luca Pasini Verona Volleyball announces that the athlete Francesco Sani will not take the court in the first three matches of the Credem Banca SuperLega Championship because he was registered as an Italian player after the volleyball market closed. The player, in fact, had at the time made a request to determine his Federation of Origin, thus making it possible to wait for his registration. After the opinion of the FIVB, which recognized the athlete as belonging to the Italian Federation, Verona Volleyball therefore registered Francesco Sani as Italian player. |
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Post by momorabbit on Nov 8, 2023 21:49:40 GMT -5
Monza wins, 3-1. Ran was MVP and Loeppky was clutch as a sub for Szawrc. Sani was quite good for the most part I think Sani's performance is impressive given this is his pro career debut. Passing/Attacking are all decent. Why does he not willing to play for USA...he probably can be the third/fourth OH or back up oppo if given more chances in national team by Speraw, just probably. |
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Post by mberlanda on Nov 9, 2023 14:01:03 GMT -5
Monza wins, 3-1. Ran was MVP and Loeppky was clutch as a sub for Szawrc. Sani was quite good for the most part I think Sani's performance is impressive given this is his pro career debut. Passing/Attacking are all decent. Why does he not willing to play for USA...he probably can be the third/fourth OH or back up oppo if given more chances in national team by Speraw, just probably. I think he did it just to have more opportunities to have a contract with an Italian professional team. In Italy there are fixed quotas for the simultaneous presence of "foreign" players on the field and thus more competition. He probably also considered that his chances of being able to play for the U.S. senior national team were slim. Obviously these are just my assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 21:55:18 GMT -5
I think Sani's performance is impressive given this is his pro career debut. Passing/Attacking are all decent. Why does he not willing to play for USA...he probably can be the third/fourth OH or back up oppo if given more chances in national team by Speraw, just probably. I think he did it just to have more opportunities to have a contract with an Italian professional team. In Italy there are fixed quotas for the simultaneous presence of "foreign" players on the field and thus more competition. He probably also considered that his chances of being able to play for the U.S. senior national team were slim. Obviously these are just my assumptions.
But Sani has already made his senior national team debut; he played in 2022 Pan American Cup and PAC Final Six as opposite.  ![]() Attachments:
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Post by Disc808 on Nov 9, 2023 21:57:42 GMT -5
I think he did it just to have more opportunities to have a contract with an Italian professional team. In Italy there are fixed quotas for the simultaneous presence of "foreign" players on the field and thus more competition. He probably also considered that his chances of being able to play for the U.S. senior national team were slim. Obviously these are just my assumptions.
But Sani has already made his senior national team debut; he played in 2022 Pan American Cup and PAC Final Six as opposite. ![]() Maybe this affects national team eligibility , not pro league. Idk tho lol , it’s a bit confusing |
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Post by manyshaped on Nov 10, 2023 13:24:40 GMT -5
partizan beograd is playing hypo tirol innsbruck (tim mcintosh's team) right now in cev champions league streaming free on youtube
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Post by piotr on Nov 10, 2023 21:51:28 GMT -5
I posted this in another thead, but I found this discussion here, so maybe I'll write something about Sani, because this is how this whole legal situation looks like for my knowledge. Maybe you can enlighten me in this really odd (as you'll see) case: 1. The new rules regarding naturalization of the players were introduced on July and officially established on September. In general, these rules make naturalizations much more difficult as in the past since they prevent players that played for one National Team to represent another senior National Team. The new rulebook says that a player besides other restrictions can change his federation if: Sani played for USA B team in some Pan-American Cups in the past and was called-up for VNL as well. In other words, Gabi Garcia wouldn't have been able to change his NT within these regulations. 2. I guess Sani's case can apply to the former rules before such change (that allowed to change a federation even if player X had already played for another NT, like let's say Gabi Garcia or Wilfredo Leon). Maybe he started his process of naturalization within the old rules and they applied to him even the new rules were established during the whole process? But it stil says in the previous rulebook: This is so messy, these processes are completely non-transparent. I'm pretty sure he had no residence established in Italy while he was playing in the US. He has Italian citizenship though as he's Italian-American, so maybe they didn't give a damn about his residence status considering he lived in Italy during his childhood? 3. The alternative scenario is that these games with B-US team weren't considered as official and he didn't change his federation of origin but just went to the FIVB administration to investigate which federation was his first (a bit like Antropova case), and Italian was called as the first one since he played for Trentino youth program as a child  ? It would be nonsensical, but in Italian the articles were saying that he went to the FIVB to decide which federation is his. And maybe it was imprecise legal description (I guess), but PERHAPS it went much deeper? ?? 4. I'm pretty sure that changing a federation of origin makes him eligible to play for Italian NT sooner or later. There are plenty of players with Italian citizenship (Bruno, Podrascanin) that are unable to count in Italian league as local players because they represent another NT. Considering that Sani already played with Dzavoronok, Grozdanov, Amin and Jovovic last week as a local - it's 99% sure his federation is Italian now. 5. It's interesting because Sani didn't look like any top-tier prospect for me, but his friendly games and debut in Verona were pretty great actually, he was the best player of Verona in the last game against Monza after decent performances in preseason scrimmages. So there may be some NT-level stakes for both Italian and the US federation regarding him, but it looks like for club benefits he has already decided to attach his future to Italy. Understandable, but from legal perspective this is so odd to say the least. 6. Understandable, because he's valued twice as much as Italian than he would've been as an American (with all due respect). |
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Post by mberlanda on Nov 11, 2023 14:15:32 GMT -5
I posted this in another thead, but I found this discussion here, so maybe I'll write something about Sani, because this is how this whole legal situation looks like for my knowledge. Maybe you can enlighten me in this really odd (as you'll see) case: 1. The new rules regarding naturalization of the players were introduced on July and officially established on September. In general, these rules make naturalizations much more difficult as in the past since they prevent players that played for one National Team to represent another senior National Team. The new rulebook says that a player besides other restrictions can change his federation if: Sani played for USA B team in some Pan-American Cups in the past and was called-up for VNL as well. In other words, Gabi Garcia wouldn't have been able to change his NT within these regulations. [...] The rule you mentioned should be in effect from January 1, 2024. In the Italian national team he would still have competition from Lavia and Michieletto...I don't know how much chance he has to play (with the national team). |
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Post by piotr on Nov 11, 2023 15:27:12 GMT -5
The rule you mentioned should be in effect from January 1, 2024. In the Italian national team he would still have competition from Lavia and Michieletto...I don't know how much chance he has to play (with the national team). And yeah, Italy has bigger talent pool from long-term perspective than US in terms of depth (and I believe quality as well), but it's kind of obvious the change was related to his club career. And, well, guys like Lanza or Gardini get playing time this year due to being locals, so Sani may find his spot as well in a near future. |
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Post by basil on Nov 12, 2023 12:42:16 GMT -5
enjoying Modena-Perugia
Perugia serving Modena off the floor in set 2 after Modena took set 1
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Post by Disc808 on Nov 12, 2023 12:49:10 GMT -5
enjoying Modena-Perugia Perugia serving Modena off the floor in set 2 after Modena took set 1 Lube - Milano also pretty good so far |
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Post by Disc808 on Nov 12, 2023 13:37:31 GMT -5
Milano big sweep over Lube
Earlier today Monza demolished Taranto. Gabi was good in a win over Cisterna as well
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Post by panicvb on Nov 12, 2023 21:11:59 GMT -5
Gardini has been playing well for Padova as well.
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Post by bAnthony on Nov 15, 2023 18:17:12 GMT -5
It was a rough day for American opposites. Anderson hit .000, Gabi hit in the negative, and Russell hit .097. All three of their teams lost.
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