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Post by ancksunamun on Nov 26, 2023 12:41:14 GMT -5
please note, don't do whatever Hawaii fans suggest Hawaii fans: these players and coach suck Reality: they win Hawaii fans: a BWCT will screw us Reality: a BWCT bailed out Hawaii and boosted UCSB's resume, and had compelling matches. Hawaii fans: a BWCT should only be held in Hawaii because of blah blah blah blah Reality: a BWCT in SoCal provides the most even level playing field and excitement across the board vs. a one sided HCA, even if it will be lower overall attendance - the back and forth of fan support and excitement between fans simply can't be matched at what happens at the Pyramid or Bren. it simply can't and now for all the swarmy responses to the above! Unfortunately, Hawai'i has some fickle fans who are spoiled with the Wahine's winning tradition. Thankfully they are a minute group and are heavily outnumbered by the true, appreciative Wahine fans who appreciate what Robyn & crew have done (and continue to do) with our Rainbow Wahine. Not sure about other Hawai'i fans but I'm glad the BWC Tournament was away from the Stan for 2 reasons: it prepares the team for NCAA play (away from home) AND I got to watch the entire tournament without having to pay money-hungry Soectrum a cent to do so. 😁 Go Bows!! Go Gauchos!! |
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Post by hapaguy on Nov 26, 2023 13:49:41 GMT -5
I'd prefer the tourney be held in Las Vegas if it can't be held in Hawaii every year  |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 26, 2023 14:45:31 GMT -5
please note, don't do whatever Hawaii fans suggest Hawaii fans: these players and coach suck Reality: they win Hawaii fans: a BWCT will screw us Reality: a BWCT bailed out Hawaii and boosted UCSB's resume, and had compelling matches. Hawaii fans: a BWCT should only be held in Hawaii because of blah blah blah blah Reality: a BWCT in SoCal provides the most even level playing field and excitement across the board vs. a one sided HCA, even if it will be lower overall attendance - the back and forth of fan support and excitement between fans simply can't be matched at what happens at the Pyramid or Bren. it simply can't and now for all the swarmy responses to the above! Well, this is one way to summarize and commemorate a Beach hosted first ever BWCT. |
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Post by raian13 on Nov 26, 2023 14:48:05 GMT -5
please note, don't do whatever Hawaii fans suggest Hawaii fans: these players and coach suck Reality: they win Hawaii fans: a BWCT will screw us Reality: a BWCT bailed out Hawaii and boosted UCSB's resume, and had compelling matches. Hawaii fans: a BWCT should only be held in Hawaii because of blah blah blah blah Reality: a BWCT in SoCal provides the most even level playing field and excitement across the board vs. a one sided HCA, even if it will be lower overall attendance - the back and forth of fan support and excitement between fans simply can't be matched at what happens at the Pyramid or Bren. it simply can't and now for all the swarmy responses to the above! Only if it was a sold out arena |
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Post by raian13 on Nov 26, 2023 14:49:15 GMT -5
I think having the final match in a separate thread would be optimal. The back to back matches in the same thread worked fine, but it seemed easier to get a little lost when it came to the final match. Thanks for all the hard work. Only if the final involves Hawaii |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 26, 2023 14:56:33 GMT -5
I'd prefer the tourney be held in Las Vegas if it can't be held in Hawaii every year that is nice in theory, I'd like that choice from a desitination standpoint. the MBB tournament is only drawing actually about 800 at best for any one game right now as it is, which is great for buying a ticket and sitting anywhere one wants. I can't imagine the Big West stays in Las Vegas long term though. It may end up rotating like VB. I'm sure the Big West can find a jr high gym in Las Vegas to hold the 400 that might attend in Las Vegas though, lol while Hawaii has obvious plusses, it's horrible in terms of the type of HCA it gives for one team, so should be a once in every 3 or 4 year host. I can't imagine coaches in the real running for AQ would be ok with perpetually having a disadvantage that way. Maybe that was one reason Walters opposed, it puts Poly at a perpetual disadvantage, knowing they'll never get to host. |
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Post by VT Karen on Nov 26, 2023 14:58:28 GMT -5
I'd prefer the tourney be held in Las Vegas if it can't be held in Hawaii every year that is nice in theory, I'd like that choice from a desitination standpoint. the MBB tournament is only drawing actually about 800 at best for any one game right now as it is, which is great for buying a ticket and sitting anywhere one wants. I can't imagine the Big West stays in Las Vegas long term though. It may end up rotating like VB. I'm sure the Big West can find a jr high gym in Las Vegas to hold the 400 that might attend in Las Vegas though, lol while Hawaii has obvious plusses, it's horrible in terms of the type of HCA it gives for one team, so should be a once in every 3 or 4 year host. I can't imagine coaches in the real running for AQ would be ok with perpetually having a disadvantage that way. Maybe that was one reason Walters opposed, it puts Poly at a perpetual disadvantage, knowing they'll never get to host. LOL @ finding a high school gym in Vegas! The Big West Basketball Tourney always looks so sad. The players try to post their dramatic shots of them looking up at the scoreboard from the bench with empty seats behind them. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 26, 2023 15:01:14 GMT -5
that is nice in theory, I'd like that choice from a desitination standpoint. the MBB tournament is only drawing actually about 800 at best for any one game right now as it is, which is great for buying a ticket and sitting anywhere one wants. I can't imagine the Big West stays in Las Vegas long term though. It may end up rotating like VB. I'm sure the Big West can find a jr high gym in Las Vegas to hold the 400 that might attend in Las Vegas though, lol while Hawaii has obvious plusses, it's horrible in terms of the type of HCA it gives for one team, so should be a once in every 3 or 4 year host. I can't imagine coaches in the real running for AQ would be ok with perpetually having a disadvantage that way. Maybe that was one reason Walters opposed, it puts Poly at a perpetual disadvantage, knowing they'll never get to host. LOL @ finding a high school gym in Vegas! The Big West Basketball Tourney always looks so sad. it really is a great right sized professional venue, should actually be perfect......well if people came |
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Post by dd2000 on Nov 26, 2023 15:15:31 GMT -5
A big west tournament in anyones house, including Long Beach, is not an "even level playing field". Nor would it be in Hawaii, but that's why you rotate it. This time it had no effect on the Wahine but home court normally is a huge advantage.
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Post by noblesol on Nov 26, 2023 15:17:01 GMT -5
The Final attendance ~2,200 (~2,100 according to Tyler) was a bit disappointing. So with a large contingent of Hawaii fans and interested other, maybe ~ 1,500 Beach fans?
Two months earlier in the pyramid, tickets sold for the Beach-Hawaii match was ~ 3100. The week before in Hawaii, the matchup sold ~ 8,200 tickets.
Maybe too much holiday travel, football, leftover turkey, and holiday shopping competition.
Or an end of season fatigue in Beach fan interest. The way Beach lost in Hawaii the week before playing a part?
Would the tournament draw be better elsewhere? Maybe attendance isn't a factor for gaging a successful host site. Are media deals more interested in the streaming audience? Perhaps. Anyone able to track the online audience for the BWCT and assess it? Probably had fair numbers with Hawaii's fandom dispersed far and wide.
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Post by JT on Nov 26, 2023 15:21:53 GMT -5
I think having the final match in a separate thread would be optimal. The back to back matches in the same thread worked fine, but it seemed easier to get a little lost when it came to the final match. Thanks for all the hard work. Only if the final involves Hawaii Yeah… that’s the kicker, in my mind. I guess it just means that Hawaii needs to win every first round or semi-final match they play in, moving forward! |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 26, 2023 15:23:47 GMT -5
A big west tournament in anyones house, including Long Beach, is not an "even level playing field". Nor would it be in Hawaii, but that's why you rotate it. This time it had no effect on the Wahine but home court normally is a huge advantage. that is somewhat true. the reality is the Pyramid or Bren is significantly less so of a HCA than Hawaii. lmiting visitor team support to 50 fans is the reality of it in Hawaii. not saying good or bad, it's reality anyone there in the Pyramid would recognize it's more 'even' because SoCal has a sizeable alumni/fan base or close for every school except perhaps Davis. agree it should be rotated ideally, once every 3 years for MVB, once every 4 years for WVB would be about ideal. Bren/Pyamid/Hawaii rotation makes sense for MVB. a Bren/Pyramid/Hawaii/? rotation i'd like to see for WVB. but doubt it shakes out that way |
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Post by VT Karen on Nov 26, 2023 15:29:37 GMT -5
A big west tournament in anyones house, including Long Beach, is not an "even level playing field". Nor would it be in Hawaii, but that's why you rotate it. This time it had no effect on the Wahine but home court normally is a huge advantage. that is somewhat true. the reality is the Pyramid or Bren is significantly less so of a HCA than Hawaii. lmiting visitor team support to 50 fans is the reality of it in Hawaii. not saying good or bad, it's reality anyone there in the Pyramid would recognize it's more 'even' because SoCal has a sizeable alumni/fan base or close for every school except perhaps Davis. agree it should be rotated ideally, once every 3 years for MVB, once every 4 years for WVB would be about ideal. Bren/Pyamid/Hawaii rotation makes sense for MVB. a Bren/Pyramid/Hawaii/? rotation i'd like to see for WVB. but doubt it shakes out that way I think it'll bounce back and forth between Hawaii and Long Beach. It isn't fair, but the optics are practically non-existent at any other Big West venue. I'm not even sure the Bren would be a good venue for WVB since Irvine hasn't been good in nearly 20 years. |
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Post by staticb on Nov 26, 2023 15:30:10 GMT -5
Do teams have to bid to host the tourney? Do what most conferences do and open it up to $$$$. (But also make it so you can't host more than once every 3 years or something)
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 26, 2023 15:37:50 GMT -5
The Final attendance ~2,200 (~2,100 according to Tyler) was a bit disappointing. So with a large contingent of Hawaii fans and interested other, maybe ~ 1,500 Beach fans? Two months earlier in the pyramid, tickets sold for the Beach-Hawaii match was ~ 3100. The week before in Hawaii, the matchup sold ~ 8,200 tickets. Maybe too much holiday travel, football, leftover turkey, and holiday shopping competition. Or an end of season fatigue in Beach fan interest. The way Beach lost in Hawaii the week before playing a part? Would the tournament draw be better elsewhere? Maybe attendance isn't a factor for gaging a successful host site. Are media deals more interested in the streaming audience? Perhaps. Anyone able to track the online audience for the BWCT and assess it? Probably had fair numbers with Hawaii's fandom dispersed far and wide. the holiday timing is a key/main issue, not good for students either. Wednesday and Friday @ Thanksgiving is a tough chore anywhere, except for Hawaii that has more of a captive fanbase anyway. Possible move up to Saturday, Sunday, and Tuesday for the tournament, and finish conference by Wednesday before might help, maybe not. Maybe just not marketed yest as well. I thought the atmosphere was better than MBB. hopefully the other teams send bands/cheer next year as well. Hard to argue that this year wasn't about as good as it could get for promoting the tournament in the future. I don't think on the mainland you could get better attendance than at the Pyramid, due to location near fan bases, which yes has Beach's. it would be really interesting to get the streaming numbers, I suspect they were actually pretty decent. matches had enthusiastic and loud crowds for all, granted Davis-Poly was small but still fun. The fact is the three biggest fan bases are Hawaii, Long Beach, and then Poly. But Poly is a gym, not convenient to fan bases and no Teraflex, and is visually a dump. I kind of would like to see it in SD, but that probably wouldn't be great for attendance either. |
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