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Post by JT on Nov 26, 2023 15:39:09 GMT -5
Do teams have to bid to host the tourney? Do what most conferences do and open it up to $$$$. (But also make it so you can't host more than once every 3 years or something) Year 1 - large bids by HI and LBSU Year 2 - medium-small bid by whichever of HI/LBSU failed to win in year 1 Year 3 - BW pays money to get someone to volunteer Year 4 - tiny bid by year 1 host Year 5 - tiny bid by year 2 host Year 6 - BW pays someone again. …  |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 26, 2023 15:49:33 GMT -5
Do teams have to bid to host the tourney? Do what most conferences do and open it up to $$$$. (But also make it so you can't host more than once every 3 years or something) Year 1 - large bids by HI and LBSU Year 2 - medium-small bid by whichever of HI/LBSU failed to win in year 1 Year 3 - BW pays money to get someone to volunteer Year 4 - tiny bid by year 1 host Year 5 - tiny bid by year 2 host Year 6 - BW pays someone again. … lol, if it becomes a bidding war, then it'd go to Hawaii every year, and if that's the case, the conference should just not hold it. having a tournament where one school has a perpetual HCA is just dumb, well except for one school. lol if the goal of the Big West is to make money, the conference should just fold anyway the streaming #s would be interesting, I'm sure the conference gets those, for ad purposes. ESPN+ is affecting attendance, it's super low cost for the subscriber, and people complain if it goes up $2 a month, lol. literally the cost per event for watching 3 events per month is $3 dollow per event, that's nothing, less than a latte. The conference has to figure out streaming to get more ad and subscriber revenue, which is tough, they are almost giving away tickets right now with the streaming, If FloSports mark-up is probably 4-5x what the Big West gets right now. Granted, everybody hates FLo-sports. |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 26, 2023 15:54:22 GMT -5
The Final attendance ~2,200 (~2,100 according to Tyler) was a bit disappointing. So with a large contingent of Hawaii fans and interested other, maybe ~ 1,500 Beach fans? Two months earlier in the pyramid, tickets sold for the Beach-Hawaii match was ~ 3100. The week before in Hawaii, the matchup sold ~ 8,200 tickets. Maybe too much holiday travel, football, leftover turkey, and holiday shopping competition. Or an end of season fatigue in Beach fan interest. The way Beach lost in Hawaii the week before playing a part? Would the tournament draw be better elsewhere? Maybe attendance isn't a factor for gaging a successful host site. Are media deals more interested in the streaming audience? Perhaps. Anyone able to track the online audience for the BWCT and assess it? Probably had fair numbers with Hawaii's fandom dispersed far and wide. the holiday timing is a key/main issue, not good for students either. Wednesday and Friday @ Thanksgiving is a tough chore anywhere, except for Hawaii that has more of a captive fanbase anyway. Possible move up to Saturday, Sunday, and Tuesday for the tournament, and finish conference by Wednesday before might help, maybe not. Maybe just not marketed yest as well. I thought the atmosphere was better than MBB. hopefully the other teams send bands/cheer next year as well. Hard to argue that this year wasn't about as good as it could get for promoting the tournament in the future. I don't think on the mainland you could get better attendance than at the Pyramid, due to location near fan bases, which yes has Beach's. it would be really interesting to get the streaming numbers, I suspect they were actually pretty decent. matches had enthusiastic and loud crowds for all, granted Davis-Poly was small but still fun. The fact is the three biggest fan bases are Hawaii, Long Beach, and then Poly. But Poly is a gym, not convenient to fan bases and no Teraflex, and is visually a dump. I kind of would like to see it in SD, but that probably wouldn't be great for attendance either. San Diego is always a nice destination, not too difficult to access for any in the SoCal area. Direct flights available from most anywhere. The UCSD venue reminds me a bit of the Bren w/o the Taraflex. But unlikely many will spend what it would take to attend there for a three day tournament stretched out over four days. Vastly cheaper to stay home and stream. Another reason I thought a four team tournament was right-sized. Two days is easier to schedule and more affordable to attend, less expense hosting, and still captures most of the available in-person attendance and media dollars. |
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Post by jttaberu on Nov 26, 2023 15:57:39 GMT -5
the holiday timing is a key/main issue, not good for students either. Wednesday and Friday @ Thanksgiving is a tough chore anywhere, except for Hawaii that has more of a captive fanbase anyway. Possible move up to Saturday, Sunday, and Tuesday for the tournament, and finish conference by Wednesday before might help, maybe not. Maybe just not marketed yest as well. I thought the atmosphere was better than MBB. hopefully the other teams send bands/cheer next year as well. Hard to argue that this year wasn't about as good as it could get for promoting the tournament in the future. I don't think on the mainland you could get better attendance than at the Pyramid, due to location near fan bases, which yes has Beach's. it would be really interesting to get the streaming numbers, I suspect they were actually pretty decent. matches had enthusiastic and loud crowds for all, granted Davis-Poly was small but still fun. The fact is the three biggest fan bases are Hawaii, Long Beach, and then Poly. But Poly is a gym, not convenient to fan bases and no Teraflex, and is visually a dump. I kind of would like to see it in SD, but that probably wouldn't be great for attendance either. San Diego is always a nice destination, not too difficult to access for any in the SoCal area. Direct flights available from most anywhere. The UCSD venue reminds me a bit of the Bren w/o the Taraflex. But unlikely many will spend what it would take to attend there for a three day tournament stretched out over four days. Vastly cheaper to stay home and stream. Another reason I thought a four team tournament was right-sized. Two days is easier to schedule and more affordable to attend, less expense hosting, and still captures most of the available in-person attendance and media dollars. I vote for SD, only cause I live here lol. I agree about the Triton's venue, very similar to Bren. |
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Post by abacaxi on Nov 26, 2023 16:14:10 GMT -5
Year 1 - large bids by HI and LBSU Year 2 - medium-small bid by whichever of HI/LBSU failed to win in year 1 Year 3 - BW pays money to get someone to volunteer Year 4 - tiny bid by year 1 host Year 5 - tiny bid by year 2 host Year 6 - BW pays someone again. … lol, if it becomes a bidding war, then it'd go to Hawaii every year, and if that's the case, the conference should just not hold it. having a tournament where one school has a perpetual HCA is just dumb, well except for one school. lol if the goal of the Big West is to make money, the conference should just fold anyway the streaming #s would be interesting, I'm sure the conference gets those, for ad purposes. ESPN+ is affecting attendance, it's super low cost for the subscriber, and people complain if it goes up $2 a month, lol. literally the cost per event for watching 3 events per month is $3 dollow per event, that's nothing, less than a latte. The conference has to figure out streaming to get more ad and subscriber revenue, which is tough, they are almost giving away tickets right now with the streaming, If FloSports mark-up is probably 4-5x what the Big West gets right now. Granted, everybody hates FLo-sports. If I recall correctly, The Big west has already announced that Irvine will host the Championships in 2024, Long Beach will host in 2025 and Hawaii will host in 2026. Let's wait till December 2026 to see how things turn out in terms of fans in the stands and everything else. |
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Post by 2left on Nov 26, 2023 16:45:44 GMT -5
The Long Beach vs Hawaii game was a marquee matchup with a resurgent Beach team that had upset Texas and was playing its long time nemesis that has loads of fans in SoCal. That game was the biggest draw possible yet only brought in about 2,000 fans. So realistically we might be looking at a ceiling for the Tournament outside of Hawaii. Yet at the Stan of the final was UCSB vs Poly, the turnstile would probably only be in the dozens, which would be a horrible look and a real money loser. Tournament in Hawaii has huge upside, but just as huge downside.
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Post by staticb on Nov 26, 2023 17:10:38 GMT -5
The Long Beach vs Hawaii game was a marquee matchup with a resurgent Beach team that had upset Texas and was playing its long time nemesis that has loads of fans in SoCal. That game was the biggest draw possible yet only brought in about 2,000 fans. So realistically we might be looking at a ceiling for the Tournament outside of Hawaii. Yet at the Stan of the final was UCSB vs Poly, the turnstile would probably only be in the dozens, which would be a horrible look and a real money loser. Tournament in Hawaii has huge upside, but just as huge downside. Hawaii would still get like 5-7k attendance when hosting the Men's MPSF volleyball tourney even after they were out. Guarantee we could beat 2k. |
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 26, 2023 17:25:48 GMT -5
Reality: a BWCT in SoCal provides the most even level playing field and excitement across the board vs. a one sided HCA, even if it will be lower overall attendance - the back and forth of fan support and excitement between fans simply can't be matched at what happens at the Pyramid or Bren. it simply can't and now for all the swarmy responses to the above! Cry more but if you take out the Beach’s student section i don’t even know how much of that crowd even remains knowledgeable fans of the sport compared to Hawaii fans who love the sport and travel well because of it. It’ll rotate as it should and the most successful venue and event overall will be in the Stan. That’s just a given. |
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Post by raian13 on Nov 26, 2023 17:27:00 GMT -5
Just give the hosting privileges to the number 1 seed as an incentive.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 26, 2023 17:31:53 GMT -5
Just give the hosting privileges to the number 1 seed as an incentive. I don't think Big West can afford to book last-minute airfare to Hawaii for 5 full teams. |
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Post by raian13 on Nov 26, 2023 17:35:37 GMT -5
Just give the hosting privileges to the number 1 seed as an incentive. I don't think Big West can afford to book last-minute airfare to Hawaii for 5 full teams. You have a point. |
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Post by 2left on Nov 26, 2023 17:38:22 GMT -5
The Long Beach vs Hawaii game was a marquee matchup with a resurgent Beach team that had upset Texas and was playing its long time nemesis that has loads of fans in SoCal. That game was the biggest draw possible yet only brought in about 2,000 fans. So realistically we might be looking at a ceiling for the Tournament outside of Hawaii. Yet at the Stan of the final was UCSB vs Poly, the turnstile would probably only be in the dozens, which would be a horrible look and a real money loser. Tournament in Hawaii has huge upside, but just as huge downside. Hawaii would still get like 5-7k attendance when hosting the Men's MPSF volleyball tourney even after they were out. Guarantee we could beat 2k. Yes, “dozens” was an off the cuff comment - LOL. But I was thinking only in the hundreds. I didn’t know that non-UH matchups drew so well at the Stan. Even 1-2k for a final like Poly-UCSB would probably be more than at a SoCal site. |
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Post by dd2000 on Nov 26, 2023 17:58:40 GMT -5
I'm sure Hawaii fans remember having the tournament in Vegas during the WAC days. Made sense as that was may be "somewhat" central to a sprawling WAC conference. Of course that was far from Hawaii but so is everywhere. And Hawaii folks like Vegas! I don't see the advantage of having it in a central location in California, like Long Beach, when even there the draw is like 2000 people. That is sad actually, whatever the reason is. I say have it in Vegas at one of the nice venues. The WAC did it and it worked. Maybe it wouldn't work for the Big West. I don't know......
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 26, 2023 18:47:08 GMT -5
Idk what had me hoping LBSU would get in by a hair but now that it’s all set, congrats to the Beach on an incredible season, excited to see the Big West continue to get stronger each year.
But tbh, we should drop a couple teams
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Post by kaipono on Nov 26, 2023 19:18:35 GMT -5
Idk what had me hoping LBSU would get in by a hair but now that it’s all set, congrats to the Beach on an incredible season, excited to see the Big West continue to get stronger each year. But tbh, we should drop a couple teams Surprised that UCSB was also among the last four teams in the NCAA Tournament. Though considering Texas A&M was also among the last four and SFA got in, the committees choices were interesting... lol |
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