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Post by notvballdad on Jul 25, 2024 11:04:26 GMT -5
okay I see the argument for walk ons who dream of going to Texas and playing volleyball potentially not having a place. But honestly that’s what college club is for 🤷🏾♂️. Right. Kenna Miller is hardly the only volleyball player at UT Austin that dreams of going to Texas (for whatever reason) but that the D1 inter-collegiate team doesn't want to play with. That is exactly what college club volleyball is for, and I suspect that UT-Austin probably has a pretty good one. There's another aspect to being an athlete that is being overlooked and its access to resources. Being on the team at a large school with money affords many academic support systems to be in place that could not be accessed as a club player. Things like healthcare, medicine, tutors, mentors, learning specialists all factor into the player experience. With the number of athletes that eventually become professionals being so small, there is a population, even at an elite program like Texas that are able to leverage their talent in volleyball for other aspects of their lives and being willing to walk on and be part of the team provides you with access to many of these services in a highly organized, integrated and professional way. Those services can pay huge dividends in students lives well beyond their volleyball playing careers. Yes, smaller schools provide some of these as well but they are not nearly as comprehensively staffed or supported. So a player that is marginal at a school like texas that could have a scholarship at a smaller school may forego them in favor of the championship experience and the extensive support available as they are looking at their professional adult lives. That's the part in all of this that bums me out is that it is so squarely focused on purely the athletic side of the students and not the total picture of opportunities that sports can provide. I'm really glad there is more money available for more students and applaud that in terms of offering more opportunity up and down the line should a school be able to afford funding more but I don't like the opportunities it erases in the process.
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Post by moondog4444 on Jul 25, 2024 14:50:42 GMT -5
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Post by katn on Jul 25, 2024 16:52:56 GMT -5
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Post by dodger on Jul 25, 2024 17:12:06 GMT -5
I don't see how that agreement to limit roster size to scholarship limits will hold up in court. There's going to be the inevitable lawsuit from someone that says that being denied a walkon spot on a NCAA team will limit their potential NIL opportunities and/or conversion to full time scholarship. i.e. If you're not on the team, you won't have a chance to show your worth and be granted an eventual scholarship.
Jhenna Gabriel is a real world example of that.
Also, various football and basketball IG/Twitter clips showing walk-ons receiving a scholarship to the whooping and hollering of their teammates.
Also, being denied a spot on a team where you have skills and are willing to be a practice player and pay your own way seems unfair.
I know this is to limit transfers, which is another supporting fact in the eventual lawsuit.
[br Hand ringing: the “good old days”: the Texas Roster for 2024 is 18 and without a roster size limit: but for 2024 there is a scholarship limit, therefore in 2025 if all the same women were in team all could receive a “scholarship”! Plus as another poster said: also the NCAA limits on roster size for the championships changes? Many other schools with lesser budgets may not scholarship all 18 for lack of resources and they will then still have “walk-ons” in there roster. Size of 18. Of course tomorrow will be the day the court rules on all this. I expect a postponement tomorrow so judge can gather more informarion: lots to read here! So a ruling tomorrow fingers crossed!
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Post by hopefuldawg on Jul 25, 2024 17:26:53 GMT -5
I don't see how that agreement to limit roster size to scholarship limits will hold up in court. There's going to be the inevitable lawsuit from someone that says that being denied a walkon spot on a NCAA team will limit their potential NIL opportunities and/or conversion to full time scholarship. i.e. If you're not on the team, you won't have a chance to show your worth and be granted an eventual scholarship.
Jhenna Gabriel is a real world example of that.
Also, various football and basketball IG/Twitter clips showing walk-ons receiving a scholarship to the whooping and hollering of their teammates.
Also, being denied a spot on a team where you have skills and are willing to be a practice player and pay your own way seems unfair.
I know this is to limit transfers, which is another supporting fact in the eventual lawsuit.
[br Hand ringing: the “good old days”: the Texas Roster for 2024 is 18 and without a roster size limit: but for 2024 there is a scholarship limit, therefore in 2025 if all the same women were in team all could receive a “scholarship”! Plus as another poster said: also the NCAA limits on roster size for the championships changes? Many other schools with lesser budgets may not scholarship all 18 for lack of resources and they will then still have “walk-ons” in there roster. Size of 18. Of course tomorrow will be the day the court rules on all this. I expect a postponement tomorrow so judge can gather more informarion: lots to read here! So a ruling tomorrow fingers crossed! There's 2 players that will be on the roster but aren't on the website yet (Ramirez and Binney), so the roster is at 20. 5 graduate after this season and 5 new players are currently slated to come in, so 2025 is projected to still be 20. That could present a problem for Jerritt if the NCAA doesn't give a transition period to respect verbal commitments.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 25, 2024 17:45:35 GMT -5
I don't see how that agreement to limit roster size to scholarship limits will hold up in court. There's going to be the inevitable lawsuit from someone that says that being denied a walkon spot on a NCAA team will limit their potential NIL opportunities and/or conversion to full time scholarship. i.e. If you're not on the team, you won't have a chance to show your worth and be granted an eventual scholarship. Jhenna Gabriel is a real world example of that. Also, various football and basketball IG/Twitter clips showing walk-ons receiving a scholarship to the whooping and hollering of their teammates. Also, being denied a spot on a team where you have skills and are willing to be a practice player and pay your own way seems unfair.
I know this is to limit transfers, which is another supporting fact in the eventual lawsuit.
Not saying they won't try, but the claim/injury that a court could remedy as it relates to walk-ons seems dubious to me. Currently - (1) athletes aren't entitled to a scholarship, it's at the discretion of the team; (2) athletes aren't entitled to walk on to a program, it's at the discretion of the team; and (3) there already are (or least have been) roster limits for teams. Limiting the roster size to the scholarship limit would essentially be saying that IF a member institution wants to participate in the sport at the NCAA level (they aren't required to, it's discretionary), it can only do so with players receiving an athletic scholarship. While that may be "unfair" to players who aren't on scholarship, it doesn't make it illegal. Also, the NCAA could only enforce which players play an NCAA sanctioned event (as they do now). Anyone can go practice with the team.
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Post by dodger on Jul 25, 2024 17:52:41 GMT -5
[br Hand ringing: the “good old days”: the Texas Roster for 2024 is 18 and without a roster size limit: but for 2024 there is a scholarship limit, therefore in 2025 if all the same women were in team all could receive a “scholarship”! Plus as another poster said: also the NCAA limits on roster size for the championships changes? Many other schools with lesser budgets may not scholarship all 18 for lack of resources and they will then still have “walk-ons” in there roster. Size of 18. Of course tomorrow will be the day the court rules on all this. I expect a postponement tomorrow so judge can gather more informarion: lots to read here! So a ruling tomorrow fingers crossed! There's 2 players that will be on the roster but aren't on the website yet (Ramirez and Binney), so the roster is at 20. 5 graduate after this season and 5 new players are currently slated to come in, so 2025 is projected to still be 20. That could present a problem for Jerritt if the NCAA doesn't give a transition period to respect verbal commitments. So predicting the 2025 roster based on all from 2024 returning who may, and who they have committed would pit them over 18. But you need to calculate into tour roster for 2025 how many leave for portal from 2024 team, what stars become available that texas will choose to bring on; but based in your numbers he will have to “choose” only 18. But i wouldnt be surprised if it takes the judge and economist and possible appeals putting this past the 2025 season!?
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Post by horns1 on Jul 25, 2024 17:59:36 GMT -5
[br Hand ringing: the “good old days”: the Texas Roster for 2024 is 18 and without a roster size limit: but for 2024 there is a scholarship limit, therefore in 2025 if all the same women were in team all could receive a “scholarship”! Plus as another poster said: also the NCAA limits on roster size for the championships changes? Many other schools with lesser budgets may not scholarship all 18 for lack of resources and they will then still have “walk-ons” in there roster. Size of 18. Of course tomorrow will be the day the court rules on all this. I expect a postponement tomorrow so judge can gather more informarion: lots to read here! So a ruling tomorrow fingers crossed! There's 2 players that will be on the roster but aren't on the website yet (Ramirez and Binney), so the roster is at 20. 5 graduate after this season and 5 new players are currently slated to come in, so 2025 is projected to still be 20. That could present a problem for Jerritt if the NCAA doesn't give a transition period to respect verbal commitments.What problem? He simply has to tell two walk-ons at the conclusion of the 2024-25 academic year that he has no choice but to adhere to the new roster limit of 18 players set by the NCAA, and they won't be allowed to remain with the program. And, he won't even have to do that if 2 players (regardess of their scholarship status) voluntarily decide to transfer. I think this is likely to occur come winter break.
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Post by slxpress on Jul 25, 2024 18:09:46 GMT -5
I hope the program doesn't fall apart because the scholarship limit has been increased. Good luck, Jerritt! If you need any help with roster management, we're here for you!
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Post by slxpress on Jul 25, 2024 18:25:13 GMT -5
I know there was talk on the thread earlier about NiJaree Canady. It was just announced yesterday she's going to Texas Tech for $1 million per year in NIL money. She has two years of eligibility.
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Post by hookem1 on Jul 25, 2024 18:30:05 GMT -5
Binney committed to play both indoor and beach volleyball, theoretically she could go solely beach (without knowing those specific scholarship/roster allotments) if she was so inclined rather than leave if it came down to a situation like that.
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Post by dodger on Jul 25, 2024 18:34:15 GMT -5
I know there was talk on the thread earlier about NiJaree Canady. “ It was just announced yesterday she's going to Texas Tech for $1 million per year in NIL money. She has two years of eligibility. [Canady signed a one-year, $1,050,024 deal with Texas Tech’s collective Matador Club for signing with the Red Raiders, according to a person familiar with the deal.”
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Post by horns1 on Jul 25, 2024 18:52:33 GMT -5
Just for fun, if I were to breakdown my roster of 18 scholarship players, I'd have:
Setters - 3 Outside Hitters - 4 Middle Blockers - 4 Opposite (lefty) - 1 Opposite - 2 L/DS - 4 (I'd really like to see this as passing struggles happen among different players each match/set)
Serving Specialist - 1 (but that would have to come at the expense of one position number above)
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 25, 2024 19:41:21 GMT -5
I don't see how that agreement to limit roster size to scholarship limits will hold up in court. There's going to be the inevitable lawsuit from someone that says that being denied a walkon spot on a NCAA team will limit their potential NIL opportunities and/or conversion to full time scholarship. i.e. If you're not on the team, you won't have a chance to show your worth and be granted an eventual scholarship.
Jhenna Gabriel is a real world example of that.
Also, various football and basketball IG/Twitter clips showing walk-ons receiving a scholarship to the whooping and hollering of their teammates.
Also, being denied a spot on a team where you have skills and are willing to be a practice player and pay your own way seems unfair.
I know this is to limit transfers, which is another supporting fact in the eventual lawsuit.
[br Hand ringing: the “good old days”: the Texas Roster for 2024 is 18 and without a roster size limit: but for 2024 there is a scholarship limit, therefore in 2025 if all the same women were in team all could receive a “scholarship”! Plus as another poster said: also the NCAA limits on roster size for the championships changes? Many other schools with lesser budgets may not scholarship all 18 for lack of resources and they will then still have “walk-ons” in there roster. Size of 18. Of course tomorrow will be the day the court rules on all this. I expect a postponement tomorrow so judge can gather more informarion: lots to read here! So a ruling tomorrow fingers crossed! Tomorrow is when the NCAA is filing its plan with the court. IIRC judge is not expected to rule on the case until sometime in the fall.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 25, 2024 19:54:51 GMT -5
I know there was talk on the thread earlier about NiJaree Canady. It was just announced yesterday she's going to Texas Tech for $1 million per year in NIL money. She has two years of eligibility. lol... one million dollars for a college player in a sport that brings in no revenue, has no upside in a professional capacity, and for a team that has never even made the college world series? Tell me you are setting money on fire without telling me you are setting money on fire. Rich people in Texas need to find better things to do with their money. Republicans want to complain about the price of oil and gas and for whatever reason blame Biden, meanwhile all these private oil companies and people with interest in them have so much money that they are literally giving it away to 20 year olds to play college sports.
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