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Post by slxpress on Aug 11, 2024 21:19:11 GMT -5
It’s more than just experience. Rutherford is a beast. I fully expect Rutherford to be the starter for the entire season if healthy. Wouldn't it be nice if Devin got the start for the Hawaii match tho... I’m all for Kahahawai starting the entire season. I’m just saying Rutherford isn’t just someone with NCAA experience. It’s unlikely Kahahawai will beat her out. I’d love to live in a world where Kahahawai starts the entire year and we win a 3rd national championship in a row. Count me in! I don’t know how I feel about her starting against Hawaii for sentimental reasons. I’d feel stronger about it if it was at the University of Hawaii. I don’t think it’s the same thing for her to start at Gregory Gym just because the opponent is from her home state. I think mostly I want the best players to start, whoever that is. But I think the sentiment is nice. |
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Post by horns1 on Aug 11, 2024 21:23:48 GMT -5
I recall you mentioning that. But, wonder if that's been the case the last 35 seasons or so where long sleeves were always the "choice" of the players, or if the coaches made the decisions. I wouldn't be surprised if long sleeves have always been the preference, even if the players didn't make the choice. I know when my granddaughter was playing in club and school, long sleeves were the overwhelming favorite. Maybe. I definitely recall schools like Florida and Stanford wearing short sleeve jerseys when they were first introduced by Nike. Penn State, USC, and UCLA might also have worn them. Think it was the early 2000's. |
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Post by biodogtexas on Aug 12, 2024 1:18:41 GMT -5
I'm two weeks behind in the thread and catching up and people are asking about new topics to be brought up so how about this: Where does Texas slot into the existing hierarchy of the SEC? Are they definitively at the top? and where do all the other teams fit? This is from a post I made on Inside Texas going through every sport at Texas to see where Texas fits in. I wonder if you agree or disagree?
This post looks back at the NCAA Tournament results and SEC Standings over just the last 4 years and puts each team in the SEC in a certain tier based on those performances. Class of the Conference: Texas. Texas is the back-to-back National Champions. They’ve been to the National Championship Match 3 times in 4 years. They are the preseason #1 team for the 3rd year in a row. Outside of Texas, only one SEC team has even made the Elite Eight in the last 3 years. Texas has only failed to make the Elite Eight once in 20 years. It’s Texas and it’s not close. Top-Tier: Kentucky, Florida. Kentucky beat Texas for the 2020 National Championship in the Spring of 2021 with Madi Skinner and Reagan Rutherford, both of whom are now on Texas’ roster. They haven’t been past the Sweet Sixteen in the 3 years since. Florida has an Elite Eight and 2 Sweet Sixteens in the last 4 years. They are the only other 2 SEC teams to have made the tournament in each of the last 4 years. Good: Tennessee, Arkansas. Tennessee has made the tournament the last 3 years and Arkansas the last two. Tennesee made a Sweet 16 last year and Arkansas the Elite Eight, but both were riding significant groups of Covid Seniors. League-Average: Mizzou, Auburn, Georgia. All 3 have made the tournament twice in the last 4 years. None of them have won more than one game in each trip. Irrelvants and Bottom-Feeders: LSU, Miss State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Alabama, Oklahoma. Vanderbilt doesn’t have a team. (on the left is their finish in the tournament and the corresponding number of director's cup points they earned. NC=NAtional CHamps, RU=runner up, F4=Final Four, E8=Elite Eight, S16=Sweet 16, 2R=2nd round, T=made tournament)  Outlook for Texas: Texas is the preseason #1 team in the country and has already been voted the preseason #1 team in the SEC as well. Texas shouldn’t really be seriously threatened as the top team in the conference unless something goes quite wrong. They lost a lot of really good players, but appear to have adequately reloaded through the portal. SEC Championship Hopes: Very heavy favorites |
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Aug 12, 2024 8:56:24 GMT -5
I'm two weeks behind in the thread and catching up and people are asking about new topics to be brought up so how about this: Where does Texas slot into the existing hierarchy of the SEC? Are they definitively at the top? and where do all the other teams fit? This is from a post I made on Inside Texas going through every sport at Texas to see where Texas fits in. I wonder if you agree or disagree?
This post looks back at the NCAA Tournament results and SEC Standings over just the last 4 years and puts each team in the SEC in a certain tier based on those performances. Class of the Conference: Texas. Texas is the back-to-back National Champions. They’ve been to the National Championship Match 3 times in 4 years. They are the preseason #1 team for the 3rd year in a row. Outside of Texas, only one SEC team has even made the Elite Eight in the last 3 years. Texas has only failed to make the Elite Eight once in 20 years. It’s Texas and it’s not close. Top-Tier: Kentucky, Florida. Kentucky beat Texas for the 2020 National Championship in the Spring of 2021 with Madi Skinner and Reagan Rutherford, both of whom are now on Texas’ roster. They haven’t been past the Sweet Sixteen in the 3 years since. Florida has an Elite Eight and 2 Sweet Sixteens in the last 4 years. They are the only other 2 SEC teams to have made the tournament in each of the last 4 years. Good: Tennessee, Arkansas. Tennessee has made the tournament the last 3 years and Arkansas the last two. Tennesee made a Sweet 16 last year and Arkansas the Elite Eight, but both were riding significant groups of Covid Seniors. League-Average: Mizzou, Auburn, Georgia. All 3 have made the tournament twice in the last 4 years. None of them have won more than one game in each trip. Irrelvants and Bottom-Feeders: LSU, Miss State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Alabama, Oklahoma. Vanderbilt doesn’t have a team. (on the left is their finish in the tournament and the corresponding number of director's cup points they earned. NC=NAtional CHamps, RU=runner up, F4=Final Four, E8=Elite Eight, S16=Sweet 16, 2R=2nd round, T=made tournament) Outlook for Texas: Texas is the preseason #1 team in the country and has already been voted the preseason #1 team in the SEC as well. Texas shouldn’t really be seriously threatened as the top team in the conference unless something goes quite wrong. They lost a lot of really good players, but appear to have adequately reloaded through the portal. SEC Championship Hopes: Very heavy favorites Agree. Aside from the conclusion, it's all facts |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 12, 2024 9:27:28 GMT -5
Some thoughts:
• I don’t like the 4 year time window, but I don’t think it changes much to expand it. And if you’re making a post about every sport, limiting it to the last 4 years make sense.
Comparing Kentucky and Florida, I consider Florida to be the more prestigious program simply because of their long history of success under Mary Wise. She is not liked all that much on volleytalk as a coach, but I find her pedigree impressive. Skinner at Kentucky has the national championship after building and coaching a superlative team, and they’ve been able to come out on top of the SEC for several years now. I still think of them as more of an upstart than Florida, but as you stated those two programs have been the class of the league
• Vanderbilt will compete in volleyball for the first time in 2025. It’s not a correction of your post, but I feel it deserves mentioning.
• I feel like volleyball has been neglected in the SEC historically, but to me it looks like that’s changing. I’m seeing more energy and resources being invested in the sport, from coaches’ salaries, to facilities, to an uptick in recruiting. I found Arkansas to be the most fun team to watch last year. They’re not in a position to rebuild, but I’d love to see them make some noise in the future with some undersized 6 rotation pins, if they can make that formula work again. I think Tennessee and Georgia are both building good foundations for future success. A&M has gone all in to lock up Houston Skyline players in the future, and they’re well positioned to recruit better players from instate. There’s not a good reason they don’t compete at a higher level as it is.
* That said, Texas is well positioned to be a dominant player in the SEC for the foreseeable future. Texas is ahead in terms of prestige, facilities, NIL, and the geographic location for recruiting purposes is practically ideal. Coaching changes always bring their own challenges, as we saw going from Haley to Moore - not to mention other sports - but as long as Elliott is the head coach and remains fully engaged it’s going to be difficult for other programs to dislodge Texas from the top rung, although anything can happen from year to year.
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Post by hookem1 on Aug 12, 2024 10:13:37 GMT -5
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Post by hornfanaustin on Aug 12, 2024 10:14:58 GMT -5
Some thoughts: Comparing Kentucky and Florida, I consider Florida to be the more prestigious program simply because of their long history of success under Mary Wise. She is not liked all that much on volleytalk as a coach, but I find her pedigree impressive. Skinner at Kentucky has the national championship after building and coaching a superlative team, and they’ve been able to come out on top of the SEC for several years now. I still think of them as more of an upstart than Florida, but as you stated those two programs have been the class of the league • I feel like volleyball has been neglected in the SEC historically, but to me it looks like that’s changing. I’m seeing more energy and resources being invested in the sport, from coaches’ salaries, to facilities, to an uptick in recruiting. I found Arkansas to be the most fun team to watch last year. They’re not in a position to rebuild, but I’d love to see them make some noise in the future with some undersized 6 rotation pins, if they can make that formula work again. I think Tennessee and Georgia are both building good foundations for future success. A&M has gone all in to lock up Houston Skyline players in the future, and they’re well positioned to recruit better players from instate. There’s not a good reason they don’t compete at a higher level as it is. * That said, Texas is well positioned to be a dominant player in the SEC for the foreseeable future. Texas is ahead in terms of prestige, facilities, NIL, and the geographic location for recruiting purposes is practically ideal. Coaching changes always bring their own challenges, as we saw going from Haley to Moore - not to mention other sports - but as long as Elliott is the head coach and remains fully engaged it’s going to be difficult for other programs to dislodge Texas from the top rung, although anything can happen from year to year. I appreciate the extensive effort biodogtexas put into the research and assembly of data for us to read. Most people wouldn't have the energy to do that, but they like correcting your results!!! ha-ha.
My correction (ha-ha) was that the data may not factor in coaching changes. i.e. a coach doing so poorly they got fired and the new coach coming in and trying to dig out of the hole. A 4-year window is the fault of first coach and not the second. Maybe.
The fact that A&M fired longtime coach Corbelli and then quickly fired her replacement showed they suddenly were paying more attention to Aggie VB. I'd have to map the firings/hirings to their ADs....but I never want to put much energy into Aggie stuff, so I'll pass.
I had hot takes on Kentucky and Florida based purely from a "Texas vs them" perspective. But then, I hate it when others talk out of their a$$ about Texas without knowing our program well, so I'll leave that part out.
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Post by mrworm on Aug 12, 2024 13:41:15 GMT -5
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Post by hookem1 on Aug 12, 2024 13:45:37 GMT -5
Wonder if we’ll get more than 4 majors listed. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Aug 12, 2024 13:52:08 GMT -5
in case yall didn’t know, avid 2.0 is switching sides this season and becoming a Texas fan  |
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Post by hookem1 on Aug 12, 2024 14:05:54 GMT -5
in case yall didn’t know, avid 2.0 is switching sides this season and becoming a Texas fan LMAO I’m here for it! |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Aug 12, 2024 14:07:37 GMT -5
in case yall didn’t know, avid 2.0 is switching sides this season and becoming a Texas fan LMAO I’m here for it! and jwvolley next |
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Post by horns1 on Aug 12, 2024 14:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by biodogtexas on Aug 12, 2024 15:28:39 GMT -5
Some thoughts: Comparing Kentucky and Florida, I consider Florida to be the more prestigious program simply because of their long history of success under Mary Wise. She is not liked all that much on volleytalk as a coach, but I find her pedigree impressive. Skinner at Kentucky has the national championship after building and coaching a superlative team, and they’ve been able to come out on top of the SEC for several years now. I still think of them as more of an upstart than Florida, but as you stated those two programs have been the class of the league • I feel like volleyball has been neglected in the SEC historically, but to me it looks like that’s changing. I’m seeing more energy and resources being invested in the sport, from coaches’ salaries, to facilities, to an uptick in recruiting. I found Arkansas to be the most fun team to watch last year. They’re not in a position to rebuild, but I’d love to see them make some noise in the future with some undersized 6 rotation pins, if they can make that formula work again. I think Tennessee and Georgia are both building good foundations for future success. A&M has gone all in to lock up Houston Skyline players in the future, and they’re well positioned to recruit better players from instate. There’s not a good reason they don’t compete at a higher level as it is. * That said, Texas is well positioned to be a dominant player in the SEC for the foreseeable future. Texas is ahead in terms of prestige, facilities, NIL, and the geographic location for recruiting purposes is practically ideal. Coaching changes always bring their own challenges, as we saw going from Haley to Moore - not to mention other sports - but as long as Elliott is the head coach and remains fully engaged it’s going to be difficult for other programs to dislodge Texas from the top rung, although anything can happen from year to year. I appreciate the extensive effort biodogtexas put into the research and assembly of data for us to read. Most people wouldn't have the energy to do that, but they like correcting your results!!! ha-ha.
My correction (ha-ha) was that the data may not factor in coaching changes. i.e. a coach doing so poorly they got fired and the new coach coming in and trying to dig out of the hole. A 4-year window is the fault of first coach and not the second. Maybe.
The fact that A&M fired longtime coach Corbelli and then quickly fired her replacement showed they suddenly were paying more attention to Aggie VB. I'd have to map the firings/hirings to their ADs....but I never want to put much energy into Aggie stuff, so I'll pass.
I had hot takes on Kentucky and Florida based purely from a "Texas vs them" perspective. But then, I hate it when others talk out of their a$$ about Texas without knowing our program well, so I'll leave that part out.
Thanks. And I agree. I didn't factor in coaching changes. These were backwards looking resume comparisons of the programs, not forward looking projections of where they will be. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 12, 2024 16:35:38 GMT -5
I appreciate the extensive effort biodogtexas put into the research and assembly of data for us to read. Most people wouldn't have the energy to do that, but they like correcting your results!!! ha-ha.
My correction (ha-ha) was that the data may not factor in coaching changes. i.e. a coach doing so poorly they got fired and the new coach coming in and trying to dig out of the hole. A 4-year window is the fault of first coach and not the second. Maybe.
The fact that A&M fired longtime coach Corbelli and then quickly fired her replacement showed they suddenly were paying more attention to Aggie VB. I'd have to map the firings/hirings to their ADs....but I never want to put much energy into Aggie stuff, so I'll pass.
I had hot takes on Kentucky and Florida based purely from a "Texas vs them" perspective. But then, I hate it when others talk out of their a$$ about Texas without knowing our program well, so I'll leave that part out.
Thanks. And I agree. I didn't factor in coaching changes. These were backwards looking resume comparisons of the programs, not forward looking projections of where they will be. I felt like it was a fun original post. You put a lot of work into it and it showed. I appreciated you sharing it with us very much. I enjoyed reading and replying to it. I can’t imagine the work required to do that for all the sports. I think that’s the most impressive part to me. |
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