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Post by stevehorn on Dec 21, 2023 21:08:28 GMT -5
She was shocked that she didn't play in the fourth match, but wasn't shocked that she didn't play in the first three? That doesn't make sense. Also there is the statement of an assistant coach saying that redshirting had been discussed with her. I could easily believe that redshirting had been discussed with her, but she didn't believe it would really happen. Maybe the fourth game was the point where she realized that they were serious about the possibility. Calling the record-breaking stadium sold out celebration of Nebraska volleyball the “4th match” is a choice As if it were no different than the others Also the article said that Cook was planning to put her in and Jayden literally stopped him as he was getting up to sub her in. You’re really saying Juvericious should have known she was redshirting when Cook didn’t?? I wrote 4th match because the point was about where they were in the season. No shade intended. I realize the historic nature of the match and that players wanted to play in it. Unfortunately with regards to redshirting, playing in that match was no different than any other. I don't know the specifics of what occurred in your last paragraph. My experience is more with football than volleyball, but she wouldn't have been the first player to have their shirt burned because the coach forgot about redshirting and sent them in. Or the first redshirt that talked their way into the game because the coach forgot. This happens a little less now in football because they can play four games and still redshirt, but late in the season coaches wouldn't let redshirts suit out fully so they wouldn't accidently put them in a game and burn their shirt. So I could see the possibility that Reyes was reminding Cook about the redshirt or perhaps asking him if they really wanted to burn the redshirt? Typically assistants or staffers do have the responsibility to "remind" a coach about certain details or to track them for a HC.
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 21, 2023 21:10:20 GMT -5
Maybe so if that's what she wanted. However my comment wasn't really concerned whether it was fair or not for her. Your post seemed to imply that it was only beneficial for her and seemed to ignore that it had benefits for Nebraska also. Of course four years from now Cook might have the opportunity to imply that playing a fifth year Jurevicius is unfair similar to his comments about O'Neal. O’Neal 6th year. Which she had because she also redshirted as a freshman.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 21, 2023 21:10:57 GMT -5
now if their coaching search is a disaster ... it's like Syracuse all over again! waiting to see which Big 10 team schedules them for next year... and then complains about RPI Unfortunately, might be Washington and Oregon.
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Post by seceason on Dec 21, 2023 21:29:24 GMT -5
She is too short for 5-1 and was a liability on defense and especially blocking. She is pretty aggressive but not enough to offset blocking deficiencies. A good setter but I wouldn’t say elite enough to play 5-1 There are plenty of 5’10” setters who run a 5-1 just fine. The problem is that she’s not good enough to run a 5-1. I get that she can’t get a block touch to save her life but that’s not because she’s only 5’10”. Hannah Hogue, who did a nice job in a competitive Elite 8 match against Nebraska is maybe 5’8. Same thing with Kerr over at Tennessee who had Texas on the ropes, Emma grome isn’t big either. It’s been proven, you can win two tournament matches with a highly skilled small setter that sides you out at a high rate and defends her position in the backcourt. I don’t think this setter in question does either of those things. But size at the setting position, meh.
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Post by widdledumpling on Dec 21, 2023 21:36:15 GMT -5
Calling the record-breaking stadium sold out celebration of Nebraska volleyball the “4th match” is a choice As if it were no different than the others Also the article said that Cook was planning to put her in and Jayden literally stopped him as he was getting up to sub her in. You’re really saying Juvericious should have known she was redshirting when Cook didn’t?? It was an article and you are acting like it was testimony. You have no idea how accurate it was. Jaylen was reminding him that the redshirt would be burned if she played. Jaylen does not make the final decision on who plays and when. For those Jaylen haters looking for something to blame on him, JC makes the final decision. ? I don’t blame Jaylen, I agree Cook has the final say. In this case based on the available data it looks like the coaching staff as a whole dropped the ball on informing Juvericious about her status at the match, which made her feel bad. This doesn’t make either JR or JC bad people, but it seems like an oversight by them that may have played into her decision to transfer. Or maybe it didn’t play in at all, Jurevicious got over it, and then independently decided to transfer I’m just irritated at the “she should have known she was redshirting and any hurt she felt is therefore her fault” narrative that’s getting advanced
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Post by widdledumpling on Dec 21, 2023 21:42:45 GMT -5
Calling the record-breaking stadium sold out celebration of Nebraska volleyball the “4th match” is a choice As if it were no different than the others Also the article said that Cook was planning to put her in and Jayden literally stopped him as he was getting up to sub her in. You’re really saying Juvericious should have known she was redshirting when Cook didn’t?? I wrote 4th match because the point was about where they were in the season. No shade intended. I realize the historic nature of the match and that players wanted to play in it. Unfortunately with regards to redshirting, playing in that match was no different than any other. I don't know the specifics of what occurred in your last paragraph. My experience is more with football than volleyball, but she wouldn't have been the first player to have their shirt burned because the coach forgot about redshirting and sent them in. Or the first redshirt that talked their way into the game because the coach forgot. This happens a little less now in football because they can play four games and still redshirt, but late in the season coaches wouldn't let redshirts suit out fully so they wouldn't accidently put them in a game and burn their shirt. So I could see the possibility that Reyes was reminding Cook about the redshirt or perhaps asking him if they really wanted to burn the redshirt? Typically assistants or staffers do have the responsibility to "remind" a coach about certain details or to track them for a HC. I find it less likely that a coach would forget about a rs on a volleyball roster simply because the number of players they have to keep track of is, what, about 10 times fewer? To be clear, I’m not on the “John Cook and Reyes are terrible coaches/people train.” Cook is a legend and many students have had great experiences with the program. But in this case the available facts suggest he dropped the ball (in a career as long as his he must have done that at least a few times). I find “Juvericious should have known she was redshirting” argument irritating because it requires explaining away the facts we know, and says that her hurt was her fault and unjustified Same thing was said about Akana and Caffey (who John Cook said demonstrably false things about and was forced to issue a retraction.) But many Nebraska fans put the blame on Caffey. Now, again, fans are putting the blame on Jurevicious. I get why, people are loyal to the program first instead of individual players. But blaming the player isn’t the way to go
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Post by vbshrink on Dec 21, 2023 22:04:27 GMT -5
It was an article and you are acting like it was testimony. You have no idea how accurate it was. Jaylen was reminding him that the redshirt would be burned if she played. Jaylen does not make the final decision on who plays and when. For those Jaylen haters looking for something to blame on him, JC makes the final decision. ? I don’t blame Jaylen, I agree Cook has the final say. In this case based on the available data it looks like the coaching staff as a whole dropped the ball on informing Juvericious about her status at the match, which made her feel bad. This doesn’t make either JR or JC bad people, but it seems like an oversight by them that may have played into her decision to transfer. Or maybe it didn’t play in at all, Jurevicious got over it, and then independently decided to transfer I’m just irritated at the “she should have known she was redshirting and any hurt she felt is therefore her fault” narrative that’s getting advanced Kerr is a bit taller than Hogue and Grome, but all three are really, really athletic. Grome's location is excellent - Hogue and Kerr are just very good. All of those attributes differentiate them from LSU's former setter.
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 21, 2023 22:23:58 GMT -5
I wrote 4th match because the point was about where they were in the season. No shade intended. I realize the historic nature of the match and that players wanted to play in it. Unfortunately with regards to redshirting, playing in that match was no different than any other. I don't know the specifics of what occurred in your last paragraph. My experience is more with football than volleyball, but she wouldn't have been the first player to have their shirt burned because the coach forgot about redshirting and sent them in. Or the first redshirt that talked their way into the game because the coach forgot. This happens a little less now in football because they can play four games and still redshirt, but late in the season coaches wouldn't let redshirts suit out fully so they wouldn't accidently put them in a game and burn their shirt. So I could see the possibility that Reyes was reminding Cook about the redshirt or perhaps asking him if they really wanted to burn the redshirt? Typically assistants or staffers do have the responsibility to "remind" a coach about certain details or to track them for a HC. I find it less likely that a coach would forget about a rs on a volleyball roster simply because the number of players they have to keep track of is, what, about 10 times fewer? To be clear, I’m not on the “John Cook and Reyes are terrible coaches/people train.” Cook is a legend and many students have had great experiences with the program. But in this case the available facts suggest he dropped the ball (in a career as long as his he must have done that at least a few times). I find “Juvericious should have known she was redshirting” argument irritating because it requires explaining away the facts we know, and says that her hurt was her fault and unjustified Same thing was said about Akana and Caffey (who John Cook said demonstrably false things about and was forced to issue a retraction.) But many Nebraska fans put the blame on Caffey. Now, again, fans are putting the blame on Jurevicious. I get why, people are loyal to the program first instead of individual players. But blaming the player isn’t the way to go Less on a volleyball roster, but also a lot fewer scholarship redshirts in volleyball. The point is more that it can happen and has happened. With the circumstances of that match and I'm sure a lot of feel good on the Nebraska side, I could see Cook momentarily forgetting. Or perhaps Jurevicius asked him to go in and in the euphoria of the moment, relented and decided to burn the shirt. But only a handful know what exactly happened in that moment and leading up to the match and I don't think any of them are posting here. I think my point is that it is very difficult to believe the narrative some are pushing that Cook had not discussed redshirting with her prior to that match. Now at that point likely no firm decision had been made because it was just too early in the season to likely make a definitive decision. So it would also be understandable if Jurevicius still thought that she might not redshirt. And it would be natural to be disappointed at not playing in that match even if she knew there was a good chance that she would redshirt this year. Players want to play and that's natural. Situations like this are also one of the reasons that the football coaches pushed to change their redshirt rule. Particularly at this level, the players all come in as a star or at least a very good player in high school that didn't sit on the bench. Not playing much is a difficult adjustment for most. Not playing at all can be an even greater adjustment. During the discussion on changing their rule, football coaches mentioned that one of their greatest challenges was keeping redshirts from "checking out" mentally at some part of the season and keeping them fully engaged. I've really been surprised that coaches in no other sport have pushed for a change in their redshirt rule to allow redshirts to play some without burning their shirt. I suspect Cook would have loved to had some flexibility in the rule at that stadium match.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Dec 21, 2023 22:41:35 GMT -5
I find it less likely that a coach would forget about a rs on a volleyball roster simply because the number of players they have to keep track of is, what, about 10 times fewer? To be clear, I’m not on the “John Cook and Reyes are terrible coaches/people train.” Cook is a legend and many students have had great experiences with the program. But in this case the available facts suggest he dropped the ball (in a career as long as his he must have done that at least a few times). I find “Juvericious should have known she was redshirting” argument irritating because it requires explaining away the facts we know, and says that her hurt was her fault and unjustified Same thing was said about Akana and Caffey (who John Cook said demonstrably false things about and was forced to issue a retraction.) But many Nebraska fans put the blame on Caffey. Now, again, fans are putting the blame on Jurevicious. I get why, people are loyal to the program first instead of individual players. But blaming the player isn’t the way to go Less on a volleyball roster, but also a lot fewer scholarship redshirts in volleyball. The point is more that it can happen and has happened. With the circumstances of that match and I'm sure a lot of feel good on the Nebraska side, I could see Cook momentarily forgetting. Or perhaps Jurevicius asked him to go in and in the euphoria of the moment, relented and decided to burn the shirt. But only a handful know what exactly happened in that moment and leading up to the match and I don't think any of them are posting here. I think my point is that it is very difficult to believe the narrative some are pushing that Cook had not discussed redshirting with her prior to that match. Now at that point likely no firm decision had been made because it was just too early in the season to likely make a definitive decision. So it would also be understandable if Jurevicius still thought that she might not redshirt. And it would be natural to be disappointed at not playing in that match even if she knew there was a good chance that she would redshirt this year. Players want to play and that's natural. Situations like this are also one of the reasons that the football coaches pushed to change their redshirt rule. Particularly at this level, the players all come in as a star or at least a very good player in high school that didn't sit on the bench. Not playing much is a difficult adjustment for most. Not playing at all can be an even greater adjustment. During the discussion on changing their rule, football coaches mentioned that one of their greatest challenges was keeping redshirts from "checking out" mentally at some part of the season and keeping them fully engaged. I've really been surprised that coaches in no other sport have pushed for a change in their redshirt rule to allow redshirts to play some without burning their shirt. I suspect Cook would have loved to had some flexibility in the rule at that stadium match. I don’t think it’s the narrative ‘some are pushing’. I think it’s the narrative CJ and her family are pushing. It comes down to the version of the story that you believe. The truth probably lies in the middle: she was told redshirt was a possibility but never confirmed. When she saw everyone else play the historic fourth match, it clicked that the redshirt had then been confirmed for her. That’s the theory I’m going with, and while I can both sides this thing, I think the responsibility to communicate effectively lies with the adults. That’s why the ‘she should have known’ comment was a little bit odd.
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Post by asdf27 on Dec 21, 2023 22:54:58 GMT -5
Parra followed Avery Carlson and as some fans know she just doesn’t follow anyone. I’m not saying that it is confirmed she’s going to TCU as some people have mentioned Auburn is a possibility, but I think a high quality setter than has big game experience will be huge for them & nicholson to learn from
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 21, 2023 23:00:25 GMT -5
Less on a volleyball roster, but also a lot fewer scholarship redshirts in volleyball. The point is more that it can happen and has happened. With the circumstances of that match and I'm sure a lot of feel good on the Nebraska side, I could see Cook momentarily forgetting. Or perhaps Jurevicius asked him to go in and in the euphoria of the moment, relented and decided to burn the shirt. But only a handful know what exactly happened in that moment and leading up to the match and I don't think any of them are posting here. I think my point is that it is very difficult to believe the narrative some are pushing that Cook had not discussed redshirting with her prior to that match. Now at that point likely no firm decision had been made because it was just too early in the season to likely make a definitive decision. So it would also be understandable if Jurevicius still thought that she might not redshirt. And it would be natural to be disappointed at not playing in that match even if she knew there was a good chance that she would redshirt this year. Players want to play and that's natural. Situations like this are also one of the reasons that the football coaches pushed to change their redshirt rule. Particularly at this level, the players all come in as a star or at least a very good player in high school that didn't sit on the bench. Not playing much is a difficult adjustment for most. Not playing at all can be an even greater adjustment. During the discussion on changing their rule, football coaches mentioned that one of their greatest challenges was keeping redshirts from "checking out" mentally at some part of the season and keeping them fully engaged. I've really been surprised that coaches in no other sport have pushed for a change in their redshirt rule to allow redshirts to play some without burning their shirt. I suspect Cook would have loved to had some flexibility in the rule at that stadium match. I don’t think it’s the narrative ‘some are pushing’. I think it’s the narrative CJ and her family are pushing. It comes down to the version of the story that you believe. The truth probably lies in the middle: she was told redshirt was a possibility but never confirmed. When she saw everyone else play the historic fourth match, it clicked that the redshirt had then been confirmed for her. That’s the theory I’m going with, and while I can both sides this thing, I think the responsibility to communicate effectively lies with the adults. That’s why the ‘she should have known’ comment was a little bit odd. I definitely agree that the truth probably lies in the middle. Typically does. As far as your last sentence, I have to believe that she was told there was a good possibility that she would redshirt, but also can believe that she still thought that likely wouldn't happen. As far as that match being a significant reason for the transfer, I have a hard time buying that. Reasons for transfers typically aren't that simple.
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Post by thxandgigem16 on Dec 21, 2023 23:15:13 GMT -5
There are plenty of 5’10” setters who run a 5-1 just fine. The problem is that she’s not good enough to run a 5-1. I get that she can’t get a block touch to save her life but that’s not because she’s only 5’10”. no matter what, if Lednicky isn’t playing 6, someway somehow, I will be coming for Jamie Morrison’s THROAT! PREACH
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Post by practicesafesets on Dec 21, 2023 23:45:07 GMT -5
I hope it's not the one I'm thinking about, she wouldn't look good on a losing Big 10 team It’s Danyle Courtley from Rice that’s going to MSU Whew! Ok, maybe Hawaii still has a chance with the other girl.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 0:17:49 GMT -5
Parra followed Avery Carlson and as some fans know she just doesn’t follow anyone. I’m not saying that it is confirmed she’s going to TCU as some people have mentioned Auburn is a possibility, but I think a high quality setter than has big game experience will be huge for them & nicholson to learn from Her sister posted a tiktok on a TCU official today. So she's been to both Auburn & TCU on visits. I mean TCU does have Carlson’s hs teammate Bramschreider, she’s familiar with the head coach and it’s closer to home. I have my money on the hornfrogs Edit: part of me wonders if the Carlson sisters are a package deal in a sense. Not in the sense of you have to take us both but in the sense that Kalin plans on walking on wherever Averi goes.
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Post by topspin on Dec 22, 2023 0:38:30 GMT -5
So Devin K is staying at Texas? Seems like most the big decisions have been made.
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