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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Apr 21, 2024 12:12:22 GMT -5
It is very largely the same players as last year. So if they do indeed have a step change better attitude this spring, that makes me wildly speculate that perhaps some outgoing players had poor attitudes last season. I have no inside info, but it’s hard for me to believe Murr had a bad attitude. So at this point, I think we can come to our own conclusions. Yeah, you go with that…let’s blame the best player on your team . . . after, she portals out . . . let’s blame the player who was the best high school player in the country, when she came in . . . let’s blame your 2022 first team AA and B1G PotY, . . . Let’s NOT blame the old coach who seemingly woke up one day in the middle of the 2022 conference season and couldn’t resist telling everyone, “I quit.” Let’s NOT blame the new coach and the woofully mediocre staff he forced upon a team that was accustomed to elite level coaching and behavior. Let's NOT blame the players who portaled out after the old coach left-including one of the best YOUNG MB in the country. You are correct, everyone should come to their own conclusions. The truth is, the best player on the 2022 Minnesota vb team stayed in 2023, when she could have left, and gone to any team in the country. And now you want to issue blanket blame on her, because of course she just didn’t try (she chose to stay, so she could not try). Does that sound like the player you cheered in 20, 21 and 22? . . After one year of this new coach, massive damage has been done to the program, and now the “blame” card is being played. Sorta believe it will have a boomerang effect and relegate Minnesota to a third tier program. Sort of amusing…. sorry🏐 Good lawd, cranky pants. While I agree that it's unfair to blame last year's woeful results solely on Taylor Landfair, it is totally fair to question whether or not her behavior negatively affected the team's chemistry. Anyone with eyes could witness the change in her effort from 2022 to 2023. I cannot provide a clear "why" for the change. The fact remains that she did change, and it's possible that through her own actions she played a part in the quality of the team's performance. I've been quite vocal on this forum of my confusion and sometimes major irritation at Cook's choices last year. Again, this speaks to the "why" that we may not be able to explain regarding Landfair, for example. But it is disingenuous to suggest that Landfair cannot be discussed as part of the problem. May just have realized it wasn't a good fit after giving it a season's "try."
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Post by jeepers on Apr 21, 2024 12:18:24 GMT -5
It is very largely the same players as last year. So if they do indeed have a step change better attitude this spring, that makes me wildly speculate that perhaps some outgoing players had poor attitudes last season. I have no inside info, but it’s hard for me to believe Murr had a bad attitude. So at this point, I think we can come to our own conclusions. Yeah, you go with that…let’s blame the best player on your team . . . after, she portals out . . . let’s blame the player who was the best high school player in the country, when she came in . . . let’s blame your 2022 first team AA and B1G PotY, . . . Let’s NOT blame the old coach who seemingly woke up one day in the middle of the 2022 conference season and couldn’t resist telling everyone, “I quit.” Let’s NOT blame the new coach and the woofully mediocre staff he forced upon a team that was accustomed to elite level coaching and behavior. Let's NOT blame the players who portaled out after the old coach left-including one of the best YOUNG MB in the country. You are correct, everyone should come to their own conclusions. The truth is, the best player on the 2022 Minnesota vb team stayed in 2023, when she could have left, and gone to any team in the country. And now you want to issue blanket blame on her, because of course she just didn’t try (she chose to stay, so she could not try). Does that sound like the player you cheered in 20, 21 and 22? . . After one year of this new coach, massive damage has been done to the program, and now the “blame” card is being played. Sorta believe it will have a boomerang effect and relegate Minnesota to a third tier program. Sort of amusing…. sorry🏐 Minnesota fans can happily portal on to the next season just as players can happily portal out to other programs. The team seems more cohesive this spring, we are allowed to talk about in the Minnesota thread. Moving on...
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Apr 21, 2024 12:24:33 GMT -5
I knew that once that poster (and I won’t name them) posted that comment, it will open up this conversation again! We already have our judgements and lengthy conversations on this and we don’t need to keep bringing it up again and again. We as fans of this program should just be happy with the progress and what we see from the players we have this year. Just like Keegan said “I am happy where we are at right now”.
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Post by mcmike on Apr 21, 2024 12:35:25 GMT -5
It is very largely the same players as last year. So if they do indeed have a step change better attitude this spring, that makes me wildly speculate that perhaps some outgoing players had poor attitudes last season. I have no inside info, but it’s hard for me to believe Murr had a bad attitude. So at this point, I think we can come to our own conclusions. You are correct, everyone should come to their own conclusions. photos1 YOUR CONCLUSION HAS LITTLE TO NO BASIS IN FACTThe truth is, the best player on the 2022 Minnesota vb team stayed in 2023, when she could have left, and gone to any team in the country. And now you want to issue blanket blame on her [CARTER BOOTH], because of course she just didn’t try (she chose to stay, so she could not try) . Does that sound like the player you cheered in 20, 21 and 22? . . After one year of this new coach, massive damage [HUH? WHAT?] has been done to the program, and now the “blame” card is being played. Sorta believe it will have a boomerang effect and relegate Minnesota to a third tier program. Sort of amusing…. I DON'T SORTA BELIEVE... I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE 2024 SQUAD WILL BE MORE COHESIVE AND HAPPIER.sorry🏐 IS CROCODILE TEARS
YOU GET 15 YARDS FOR ILLEGAL PROCEDURE, 5 ISN'T ENOUGH: MAKING PRONOUNCEMENTS ON 'FACTS' NOT IN EVIDENCE. How many spring matches did you attend in the last month? How many folks who are really close to the program do you know? How many on last year's team have you spoken with? for me: 3, few, none.
I can aver, with absolute certainty, based on my education in family systems theory, and close observation of the program for years, that the MN VB program is much healthier this year. Gopher fans can routinely, I believe, wish TayLa success with John Cook. I don't know what the 'chemical imbalance' was last year. For sure, the 2022 star shined less brightly. My opinion: you cannot be a star on offense only and you have to work to raise your court IQ playing 6 rotations.
One thing is for certain. You might have respect in other areas you frequent. Based on your thoughtless ness you have none here. Please go back to wherever...
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Post by Norah Sus on Apr 21, 2024 12:44:14 GMT -5
It is very largely the same players as last year. So if they do indeed have a step change better attitude this spring, that makes me wildly speculate that perhaps some outgoing players had poor attitudes last season. I have no inside info, but it’s hard for me to believe Murr had a bad attitude. So at this point, I think we can come to our own conclusions. Yeah, you go with that…let’s blame the best player on your team . . . after, she portals out . . . let’s blame the player who was the best high school player in the country, when she came in . . . let’s blame your 2022 first team AA and B1G PotY, . . . Let’s NOT blame the old coach who seemingly woke up one day in the middle of the 2022 conference season and couldn’t resist telling everyone, “I quit.” Let’s NOT blame the new coach and the woofully mediocre staff he forced upon a team that was accustomed to elite level coaching and behavior. Let's NOT blame the players who portaled out after the old coach left-including one of the best YOUNG MB in the country. You are correct, everyone should come to their own conclusions. The truth is, the best player on the 2022 Minnesota vb team stayed in 2023, when she could have left, and gone to any team in the country. And now you want to issue blanket blame on her, because of course she just didn’t try (she chose to stay, so she could not try). Does that sound like the player you cheered in 20, 21 and 22? . . After one year of this new coach, massive damage has been done to the program, and now the “blame” card is being played. Sorta believe it will have a boomerang effect and relegate Minnesota to a third tier program. Sort of amusing…. sorry🏐 It’s shocking how poorly you communicate your thoughts.
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Post by mcmike on Apr 21, 2024 12:49:22 GMT -5
causal relationship! Was there a correlation (inside information?) that Carter Booth portaled out because her middles coach, Pedro Mendes, was moving out of the program? Pedro is back this year and one of the brightest aspects of this spring's performances is the resurgence of a viable middle attack and slide.
Massive damage??? only to the sensibilities of those who know better What a swift reaction to that flame job!!
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Post by rrvbfan on Apr 21, 2024 12:54:13 GMT -5
I knew that once that poster (and I won’t name them) posted that comment, it will open up this conversation again! We already have our judgements and lengthy conversations on this and we don’t need to keep bringing it up again and again. We as fans of this program should just be happy with the progress and what we see from the players we have this year. Just like Keegan said “I am happy where we are at right now”. just came from another post where the poster that shall not be named makes a mean and difficult read on a situation that involves young people trying to make the best decisions for their own lives and things that really don’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Constantly and chronically mean and usually wrong as well. Sigh. It will never change. Maybe if I block them I don’t have to read the degradation. Cue the response to me below. And it’s going to be the same tired insults everyone else has received. I guess as long as that is the way they achieve joy…..
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Apr 21, 2024 12:59:09 GMT -5
I knew that once that poster (and I won’t name them) posted that comment, it will open up this conversation again! We already have our judgements and lengthy conversations on this and we don’t need to keep bringing it up again and again. We as fans of this program should just be happy with the progress and what we see from the players we have this year. Just like Keegan said “I am happy where we are at right now”. just came from another post where the poster that shall not be named makes a mean and difficult read on a situation that involves young people trying to make the best decisions for their own lives and things that really don’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Constantly and chronically mean and usually wrong as well. Sigh. It will never change. Maybe if I block them I don’t have to read the degradation. Cue the response to me below. And it’s going to be the same tired insults everyone else has received. I guess as long as that is the way they achieve joy….. Yeah I already gave up and plan not to give them any more oxygen here in whatever they say or post. I was just thinking the same thing- is that how you have joy? It must be such a miserable life one has.
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Apr 21, 2024 13:00:24 GMT -5
One thing is for certain. You might have respect in other areas you frequent.
I don't think they have much respect anywhere on VT.
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Post by JT on Apr 21, 2024 13:01:29 GMT -5
Was there a correlation (inside information?) that Carter Booth portaled out because her middles coach, Pedro Mendes, was moving out of the program? Pedro is back this year and one of the brightest aspects of this spring's performances is the resurgence of a viable middle attack and slide. Massive damage??? only to the sensibilities of those who know better What a swift reaction to that flame job!! Pedantic nitpicking... you're actually asking whether people think there was a causal basis, not whether there was a correlation. There was a correlation between Pedro moving out of the program, and Carter entering the portal. He left. She entered the portal. 100% positive correlation. There is also a correlation between my catching Covid, and Pedro leaving!
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Post by volleysota on Apr 21, 2024 13:05:43 GMT -5
Oh dear, looks like someone went far out of their way to be fake outraged again.
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Post by mcmike on Apr 21, 2024 13:45:26 GMT -5
Agreed. Some of our best servers in the past were our middles. Pittman, K Meyers.. I'll add Molly Lohman and Tori Dixon to that list. And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming Physics: Superimpose Wookie & Grote's point of contact (above the court) and serve trajectory Angle of attack (+ is above the horizon, = at horizon, - angles down Serve velocity beyond the math of a parabola you have point of contact relative to the back line, ball spin rate, inflation pressure, temperature, etc. all of these factors determines whether a serve clears the net, goes long, or travels a distance that lands in the court if it doesn't go wide. Brooke Mosher might have the most wicked serve in the B1G, but her margin of error is VERY narrow regarding attack angle. TayLa had a good serve last year that ended long too often. What if she released from 3' behind the base line? Wookie experimented with a jump topspin serve early last year, but couldn't reliably find the court. If she could get a few inches higher she could maintain the good velocity and have more 'degrees of freedom' to hit the court. IIRC I made a similar comment last year after watching Kendall Kipp for Stanford. MB height and serve angle down into the opponent's court is potent.
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Post by minnley on Apr 21, 2024 16:49:00 GMT -5
I'll add Molly Lohman and Tori Dixon to that list. And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming Physics: Superimpose Wookie & Grote's point of contact (above the court) and serve trajectory Angle of attack (+ is above the horizon, = at horizon, - angles down Serve velocity beyond the math of a parabola you have point of contact relative to the back line, ball spin rate, inflation pressure, temperature, etc. all of these factors determines whether a serve clears the net, goes long, or travels a distance that lands in the court if it doesn't go wide. Brooke Mosher might have the most wicked serve in the B1G, but her margin of error is VERY narrow regarding attack angle. TayLa had a good serve last year that ended long too often. What if she released from 3' behind the base line? Wookie experimented with a jump topspin serve early last year, but couldn't reliably find the court. If she could get a few inches higher she could maintain the good velocity and have more 'degrees of freedom' to hit the court. IIRC I made a similar comment last year after watching Kendall Kipp for Stanford. MB height and serve angle down into the opponent's court is potent. I think I agree with you, but now my head hurts.
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Post by mcmike on Apr 21, 2024 17:09:34 GMT -5
Have you been around long enough to remember Micah Hancock from PSU. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha_HancockHer serving prowess, you could say, is legendary, but what impressed me was its consistency So many moving bits & pieces coming together. She had scary sidespin that accompanied the topspin that drove the ball down into the court. Last year I believe the MN serve took positive steps in serve effectiveness. I expect, based on what I've seen so far this spring, that serving tough continues to be a goal for the team.
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Post by skolgophers on Apr 21, 2024 18:16:33 GMT -5
Looks like KK is out recruiting this weekend. Heard she wasn’t at the illinois match, so that makes sense.
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