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Post by comet on Sept 13, 2024 10:50:11 GMT -5
Yep, already have it in our first post. I don't remember when I added it. yeah I finally found the Future of MN thread and saw it there. Thanks and sorry for the redundancy! Hard to keep up with it all. 😂
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Sept 13, 2024 10:50:26 GMT -5
All the talk about the MB, Minatee is currently sitting at #5 in hitting percentage in B1G at 0.430.
And Shaffmaster's dig per set number is better than some actual L in B1G is kinda funny but also insane!
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Sept 13, 2024 11:28:36 GMT -5
Yep, already have it in our first post. I don't remember when I added it. yeah I finally found the Future of MN thread and saw it there. Thanks and sorry for the redundancy! Hard to keep up with it all. 😂 No such thing as too much good news and Kraft committing was definitely good news. Repeat it all you want.
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Post by biohazard on Sept 13, 2024 11:30:45 GMT -5
Also, while they only have 15% of attempts, the middles (including Engeman's 3 kills) account for 21% of total kills...
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Post by gogophers on Sept 13, 2024 11:42:10 GMT -5
It's an old refrain, but so far this season the Gophers seem to be continuing their "what middles?" offense. Calissa, Phoebe, and Kelli have 145 attacks out of a team total of 945, or 15%. That's similar to last year. By comparison, in SSS's last year, Morgan and Regan had about 27% of the team's attacks. I was hoping that with better passing and a more mobile Mel, Minn would be able to set the middles more and make life easier for our outsides (for whom company is misery). I don’t disagree with you re: the stats. But SSS had a much better back row and Morgan and Pittman cannot be compared to Minatee and Phoebe offensively. I do think that Minatee can get there for sure, but not quite there yet. In her defense though, she’s brought some fire to the offense this year that we have missed for a few seasons now. I would love to see her get more opportunity, but you cant set the middle with a 1.0 pass. Just observing; not trying to explain or justify. Some of us, myself included, thought that, with Mel more mobile, the percentage of sets to the middle should go up and was in fact going up. The numbers, at least those generated in the first fifth of a season, say otherwise. Of course, middle setting is a function in part of passing, but, if the passing is the explanation, that just begs the question: is the passing, whether or not as good as it was in 2018, better, worse, or the same, as recently? I don't know. I would have thought that relying less on the outsides to pass, compared with 2023, would improve the passing numbers a lot.
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Post by gogophers on Sept 13, 2024 11:44:34 GMT -5
Also, while they only have 15% of attempts, the middles (including Engeman's 3 kills) account for 21% of total kills... Isn't that to be expected, that middles will average much higher hitting percentages than the pin hitters?
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Sept 13, 2024 11:50:41 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with you re: the stats. But SSS had a much better back row and Morgan and Pittman cannot be compared to Minatee and Phoebe offensively. I do think that Minatee can get there for sure, but not quite there yet. In her defense though, she’s brought some fire to the offense this year that we have missed for a few seasons now. I would love to see her get more opportunity, but you cant set the middle with a 1.0 pass. Just observing; not trying to explain or justify. Some of us, myself included, thought that, with Mel more mobile, the percentage of sets to the middle should go up and was in fact going up. The numbers, at least those generated in the first fifth of a season, say otherwise. Of course, middle setting is a function in part of passing, but, if the passing is the explanation, that just begs the question: is the passing, whether or not as good as it was in 2018, better, worse, or the same, as recently? I don't know. I would have thought that relying less on the outsides to pass, compared with 2023, would improve the passing numbers a lot. Well, it seems that the opposition is not serving to our new DS with the good hands. So unless our pin hitters improve their passing, our passing will remain the same as past years. Is Acevedo's passing better than our other pins or is that me just wishing it so?
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Sept 13, 2024 11:57:37 GMT -5
So, trying to answer my own question, from Gopher stats I find Rec%: Ace .943 Wuk .898 Han .907
So it does seem like 1) our passing is not soooo bad and 2) I could see a game plan that had Acevedo in the backrow for one of the other two. But there is more to backrow play than receiving and I don't know how to compare digs when they don't play complete sets. Any one want to educate us on how they calculate Rec%?
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Post by vbruh on Sept 13, 2024 12:21:51 GMT -5
Just observing; not trying to explain or justify. Some of us, myself included, thought that, with Mel more mobile, the percentage of sets to the middle should go up and was in fact going up. The numbers, at least those generated in the first fifth of a season, say otherwise. Of course, middle setting is a function in part of passing, but, if the passing is the explanation, that just begs the question: is the passing, whether or not as good as it was in 2018, better, worse, or the same, as recently? I don't know. I would have thought that relying less on the outsides to pass, compared with 2023, would improve the passing numbers a lot. Well, it seems that the opposition is not serving to our new DS with the good hands. So unless our pin hitters improve their passing, our passing will remain the same as past years. Is Acevedo's passing better than our other pins or is that me just wishing it so? There's no easy way to answer these questions, because there are so many factors, passing and digging to target obviously a massive one. I'll assume your 2018 stats are accurate, but I'd invite you to see how efficient the middles are on offense as well. I looked at 2015 and 2017, also SSS years and here's what it shows our middle offense is attempting and killing: Year Attempt % Kill % 2024 15.5 21.5 2023 12.8 14.0 2017 15.1 17.2 2015 31.9 36.4 Significant improvement from last season, my guess is Minatee's slide is big contributor, and also Pedro's influence on the middle attack. I'm new to Gopher VB, can someone tell me how good the Tapp's were to get that much attention from SSS? Were they pure MBs or hybrid RS? The 2015 numbers are obscene.
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Post by gogophers on Sept 13, 2024 12:21:56 GMT -5
rec % = total attempts - receiving errors, aka getting aced/total attempts. In Wucherer's case, for instance, she's given up 13 aces in 128 attempts. 115/128 = .898. This doesn't tell you how good she passed in the 115 times she wasn't aced.
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Post by gogophers on Sept 13, 2024 12:29:08 GMT -5
vbruh, your 2017 percentage figure is clearly off. Molly and Regan, together, had over 1100 attempts. Morgan and Kayla added close to 100 more. We're talking over 25% of total attempts.
If your middles average, say, 300 - 350% (hitting percent) and your outsides average 200-250, you can expect the % of kills from middles to be much higher than the % of attacks.
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Sept 13, 2024 12:38:22 GMT -5
Well, it seems that the opposition is not serving to our new DS with the good hands. So unless our pin hitters improve their passing, our passing will remain the same as past years. Is Acevedo's passing better than our other pins or is that me just wishing it so? There's no easy way to answer these questions, because there are so many factors, passing and digging to target obviously a massive one. I'll assume your 2018 stats are accurate, but I'd invite you to see how efficient the middles are on offense as well. I looked at 2015 and 2017, also SSS years and here's what it shows our middle offense is attempting and killing: Year Attempt % Kill % 2024 15.5 21.5 2023 12.8 14.0 2017 15.1 17.2 2015 31.9 36.4 Significant improvement from last season, my guess is Minatee's slide is big contributor, and also Pedro's influence on the middle attack. I'm new to Gopher VB, can someone tell me how good the Tapp's were to get that much attention from SSS? Were they pure MBs or hybrid RS? The 2015 numbers are obscene. Is that the year we ran a three middle offense? They were awesome players, BTW. Together with Moly Lohman the Tapps covered both the middle and the rightside. SSS had played club ball with all three so there was a very good connection. We can't expect to ever see that again, but we can hope.
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Post by vbruh on Sept 13, 2024 12:41:42 GMT -5
There's no easy way to answer these questions, because there are so many factors, passing and digging to target obviously a massive one. I'll assume your 2018 stats are accurate, but I'd invite you to see how efficient the middles are on offense as well. I looked at 2015 and 2017, also SSS years and here's what it shows our middle offense is attempting and killing: Year Attempt % Kill % 2024 15.5 21.5 2023 12.8 14.0 2017 15.1 17.2 2015 31.9 36.4 Significant improvement from last season, my guess is Minatee's slide is big contributor, and also Pedro's influence on the middle attack. I'm new to Gopher VB, can someone tell me how good the Tapp's were to get that much attention from SSS? Were they pure MBs or hybrid RS? The 2015 numbers are obscene. Is that the year we ran a three middle offense? They were awesome players, BTW. Together with Moly Lohman the Tapps covered both the middle and the rightside. SSS had played club ball with all three so there was a very good connection. We can't expect to ever see that again, but we can hope. That explains the % outlier. So it looks as if 2024 middle attack is normal but more terminal. 🤷♂️
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Sept 13, 2024 12:51:47 GMT -5
There's no easy way to answer these questions, because there are so many factors, passing and digging to target obviously a massive one. I'll assume your 2018 stats are accurate, but I'd invite you to see how efficient the middles are on offense as well. I looked at 2015 and 2017, also SSS years and here's what it shows our middle offense is attempting and killing: Year Attempt % Kill % 2024 15.5 21.5 2023 12.8 14.0 2017 15.1 17.2 2015 31.9 36.4 Significant improvement from last season, my guess is Minatee's slide is big contributor, and also Pedro's influence on the middle attack. I'm new to Gopher VB, can someone tell me how good the Tapp's were to get that much attention from SSS? Were they pure MBs or hybrid RS? The 2015 numbers are obscene. Is that the year we ran a three middle offense? They were awesome players, BTW. Together with Moly Lohman the Tapps covered both the middle and the rightside. SSS had played club ball with all three so there was a very good connection. We can't expect to ever see that again, but we can hope. Oh we love that 3 MB offense system. So fun to watch!
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Post by gogophers on Sept 13, 2024 12:57:22 GMT -5
Is that the year we ran a three middle offense? They were awesome players, BTW. Together with Moly Lohman the Tapps covered both the middle and the rightside. SSS had played club ball with all three so there was a very good connection. We can't expect to ever see that again, but we can hope. That explains the % outlier. So it looks as if 2024 middle attack is normal but more terminal. 🤷♂️ yes, last year was a double whammy,though I didn't realize just how much until I saw the percentages that you posted. Phoebe hit 250 and Arica 262. Those just aren't good hitting percentages for middles. But if you're having trouble setting them in the first place, I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that what happens when you do set them isn't optimal.
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