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Post by hanmertime on Aug 22, 2024 7:08:29 GMT -5
Many teams are 1 injury away from being very mediocre. Point taken though on experienced back ups. Looking forward to seeing the team play.
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Post by HawaiiMongoose on Aug 22, 2024 11:09:40 GMT -5
Losing your star player to injury is a big blow regardless of whether you've got 13 on the roster or 16 on the roster. It's still going to make a big difference unless you're one of those elite teams with great players sitting on the bench just waiting for their chance to shine.
Nonetheless, having quality depth matters. A lot. It provides options for responding to random injuries that can occur to anyone other than the team's star player, giving the coaches the ability to reshuffle the lineup to sustain the quality of play. It also ensures that the team will have enough players to continue full-on practices and that the level of competition for playing time will remain high, even if one or two players are unexpectedly lost for the season.
In short it's a wise insurance policy even if requires using your final one or two scholarships on players that don't exactly fit the profile you were recruiting to.
The only downside I can think of is that a larger roster does increase competition for playing time and that might create challenges with respect to managing the egos of some of the players. In the past that wasn't a big deal because there were disincentives to transferring out. However those disincentives no longer exist, and it makes me wonder whether Robyn has fallen into the trap of deciding she's content with the group she has and not wanting to deal with the hassles of keeping everyone happy when there are more contenders for starting roles. I hope not because going lean on the roster is a darn risky strategy over a 28-match schedule.
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 22, 2024 13:45:19 GMT -5
Losing your star player to injury is a big blow regardless of whether you've got 13 on the roster or 16 on the roster. It's still going to make a big difference unless you're one of those elite teams with great players sitting on the bench just waiting for their chance to shine. Nonetheless, having quality depth matters. A lot. It provides options for responding to random injuries that can occur to anyone other than the team's star player, giving the coaches the ability to reshuffle the lineup to sustain the quality of play. It also ensures that the team will have enough players to continue full-on practices and that the level of competition for playing time will remain high, even if one or two players are unexpectedly lost for the season. In short it's a wise insurance policy even if requires using your final one or two scholarships on players that don't exactly fit the profile you were recruiting to. The only downside I can think of is that a larger roster does increase competition for playing time and that might create challenges with respect to managing the egos of some of the players. In the past that wasn't a big deal because there were disincentives to transferring out. However those disincentives no longer exist, and it makes me wonder whether Robyn has fallen into the trap of deciding she's content with the group she has and not wanting to deal with the hassles of keeping everyone happy when there are more contenders for starting roles. I hope not because going lean on the roster is a darn risky strategy over a 28-match schedule. My hope with this last season of the current format of scholarship allotment, Robyn decided to give everyone currently on the roster a scholarship besides I’m guessing Kate? I think it’s important to have players in there that respond well to your culture so hoping that’s the case here. Yes, not great that the depth is shallow but this truly isn’t different than your average club team, and the staff does have a track record of keeping the positions where they are the lightest, healthy(Amber & Kennedi at middle) so let’s hope that has been a major focus. Just wish there was more pin depth. Goddamnit Paula, lol honestly ruined everything.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 22, 2024 15:39:19 GMT -5
With MP-T and PG they'd have been at roster size fifteen and about right. Room for one or two more and could afford to be a bit choosy. But those two departed a bit late in the transfer recruiting game. I'd expect that most choosy transfers know where they want to go, with the welcome mat out for them, well before they enter the portal. So, some bad luck and timing for Hawai'i.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 22, 2024 15:57:47 GMT -5
So, what is the optimum roster size for NCAA D1 WVB?
Twelve would be the obvious minimum. D1 WVB rosters of 14 - 18 are common. North of eighteen you'll find many, but it starts to get a bit unwieldly, doesn't it? North of twenty, I just don't get it.
2024 BW WVB roster size: Hawai'i-13; Beach-23; Cal Poly-20; UCSD-20; UCSB-21; UCI-19; UCD-19; CSUF-15; CSUN-18; CSUB-18; UCR-19.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 22, 2024 16:18:36 GMT -5
With MP-T and PG they'd have been at roster size fifteen and about right. Room for one or two more and could afford to be a bit choosy. But those two departed a bit late in the transfer recruiting game. I'd expect that most choosy transfers know where they want to go, with the welcome mat out for them, well before they enter the portal. So, some bad luck and timing for Hawai'i. agree ... and adding to the 'timing' issue is purcell de-committing (or probably more accurately, opting not to continue volleyball) ... which happened even later in the game than these 2 players departing. (not a knock on purcell at all. hope she's doing well and is able to focus on whatever it is that she needed to give priority to.)
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Post by noblesol on Aug 22, 2024 16:31:21 GMT -5
With MP-T and PG they'd have been at roster size fifteen and about right. Room for one or two more and could afford to be a bit choosy. But those two departed a bit late in the transfer recruiting game. I'd expect that most choosy transfers know where they want to go, with the welcome mat out for them, well before they enter the portal. So, some bad luck and timing for Hawai'i. agree ... and adding to the 'timing' issue is purcell de-committing (or probably more accurately, opting not to continue volleyball) ... which happened even later in the game than these 2 players departing. (not a knock on purcell at all. hope she's doing well and is able to focus on whatever it is that she needed to give priority to.) MP-T is Purcell-Telefoni. Sorry for cryptic abbreviation.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 22, 2024 17:01:51 GMT -5
agree ... and adding to the 'timing' issue is purcell de-committing (or probably more accurately, opting not to continue volleyball) ... which happened even later in the game than these 2 players departing. (not a knock on purcell at all. hope she's doing well and is able to focus on whatever it is that she needed to give priority to.) MP-T is Purcell-Telefoni. Sorry for cryptic abbreviation. lol ... i shoulda just been able to figure it out.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 22, 2024 17:36:29 GMT -5
Maybe Tali can bring one of her college age teammate from the Israeli NT when she returns to Hawaii. We have slots open for at least one more. I think there are a couple who are of college age but not many.
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Post by justaUHfan on Aug 22, 2024 17:45:11 GMT -5
Maybe Tali can bring one of her college age teammate from the Israeli NT when she returns to Hawaii. We have slots open for at least one more. I think there are a couple who are of college age but not many. I was thinking the same thing. We can only hope lol
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Post by noblesol on Aug 22, 2024 17:52:14 GMT -5
I was thinking they might stage a 'press gang' raid on the beach volleyball team.
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 22, 2024 17:57:36 GMT -5
I was thinking they might stage a 'press gang' raid on the beach volleyball team. I forget, is it that you can be rostered and play indoor but just not scholarshipped because that would need to be a beach scholarship of vice versa? I know there was a hierarchy of schollies
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Post by noblesol on Aug 22, 2024 18:01:14 GMT -5
I was thinking they might stage a 'press gang' raid on the beach volleyball team. I forget, is it that you can be rostered and play indoor but just not scholarshipped because that would need to be a beach scholarship of vice versa? I know there was a hierarchy of schollies They'd have to give the beach player a scholarship. Which could free up some money for the beach roster depending on the player.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 22, 2024 19:02:17 GMT -5
I forget, is it that you can be rostered and play indoor but just not scholarshipped because that would need to be a beach scholarship of vice versa? I know there was a hierarchy of schollies They'd have to give the beach player a scholarship. Which could free up some money for the beach roster depending on the player. if not a current beach player ... i was wondering if glagau still had some eligibility ... or maybe just not interested in playing indoors (even with the speculation she might have played indoor too a few seasons back). that's of course if she's even still in hawaii ...
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Post by HawaiiMongoose on Aug 22, 2024 20:20:54 GMT -5
So, what is the optimum roster size for NCAA D1 WVB? Twelve would be the obvious minimum. D1 WVB rosters of 14 - 18 are common. North of eighteen you'll find many, but it starts to get a bit unwieldly, doesn't it? North of twenty, I just don't get it. 2024 BW WVB roster size: Hawai'i-13; Beach-23; Cal Poly-20; UCSD-20; UCSB-21; UCI-19; UCD-19; CSUF-15; CSUN-18; CSUB-18; UCR-19. Thanks for compiling those numbers. Pretty eye-opening.
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