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Post by Disc808 on Dec 19, 2023 12:17:22 GMT -5
Doesn't she know that's not very kumbaya? Is Kumbaya ingrained in USAV now, even when Karch retires? Lol
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Post by lance09 on Dec 19, 2023 12:18:45 GMT -5
Finals was on ABC with a lot more potential households then ESPN had having the final last year. However many 1. million something people watch is not what they are looking at the most. It is share of demographics like females 12-23 or whatever age they specifically are targeting. An overall increase is fine but if too much of that number were geezers then not as good. I am aware of what networks look for. I work, and have worked for many of them. Viewership and ratings are on the decline in the television industry, including the area of live sports. The NFL, which was the Championships main competitor, is included in that declining cycle. This year's volleyball championship did not have the budget or campaign dollars to even compare to the NFL games they were competing against. So to have ratings and viewership increases that much over last year, with mere fractions of the competition's budget (whose ratings declined on Sunday), ABC sees this as a win.
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Post by vbfanantic on Dec 19, 2023 12:43:12 GMT -5
Set 3 - loved that dig and save by Lexi/Harper. If they win that point, I think this match gets extended. - these rules need to be gone. Let them play and if you call it, call it consistently. All this and felt like home cooking. - was this 11-1 (or 12-1?) and a 6-0 to end the match? Wow. So wild. - no reason for JC to wait so long to use timeouts. Texas really outcoached Nebraska. You waited until you were down by 9?!? Sure the media timeout at 5 down, but this is the third set sir. Don’t give up on your team. - of all the things they explain as far as rules, they don’t really explain hitting percentage. Just an observation. - the crowd was out of this long before Texas had it in the bag. What’s the point of that many fans if you are giving up?
My daughter and son-in-law went to the match. they are not fans of either team. His comment that night was "the Nebraska fans have to realize they have a responsibility to fire up the team. The crowd just gave up."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2023 12:45:22 GMT -5
Finals was on ABC with a lot more potential households then ESPN had having the final last year. However many 1. million something people watch is not what they are looking at the most. It is share of demographics like females 12-23 or whatever age they specifically are targeting. An overall increase is fine but if too much of that number were geezers then not as good. I am aware of what networks look for. I work, and have worked for many of them. Viewership and ratings are on the decline in the television industry, including the area of live sports. The NFL, which was the Championships main competitor, is included in that declining cycle. This year's volleyball championship did not have the budget or campaign dollars to even compare to the NFL games they were competing against. So to have ratings and viewership increases that much over last year, with mere fractions of the competition's budget (whose ratings declined on Sunday), ABC sees this as a win. Once again you can't compare it even up with last year. ABC has about 25 million more households in reach compared to ESPN.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 19, 2023 13:17:27 GMT -5
I am aware of what networks look for. I work, and have worked for many of them. Viewership and ratings are on the decline in the television industry, including the area of live sports. The NFL, which was the Championships main competitor, is included in that declining cycle. This year's volleyball championship did not have the budget or campaign dollars to even compare to the NFL games they were competing against. So to have ratings and viewership increases that much over last year, with mere fractions of the competition's budget (whose ratings declined on Sunday), ABC sees this as a win. Once again you can't compare it even up with last year. ABC has about 25 million more households in reach compared to ESPN. The guy works in the industry. You post on volleytalk. I appreciate your perspective, and certainly understand its merit, but he’s trying to give you a glimpse in how the industry views it and you’re sitting here arguing with him, “No no no. That’s not how to look at it. THIS is how to look at it!”
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Post by lance09 on Dec 19, 2023 13:20:15 GMT -5
I am aware of what networks look for. I work, and have worked for many of them. Viewership and ratings are on the decline in the television industry, including the area of live sports. The NFL, which was the Championships main competitor, is included in that declining cycle. This year's volleyball championship did not have the budget or campaign dollars to even compare to the NFL games they were competing against. So to have ratings and viewership increases that much over last year, with mere fractions of the competition's budget (whose ratings declined on Sunday), ABC sees this as a win. Once again you can't compare it even up with last year. ABC has about 25 million more households in reach compared to ESPN. Once, again, that is exactly what they are comparing. Last year's number is the only barometer by which to measure growth from last year now. And yes ABC does have more households available, and its much more that 25 million. But you also have to understand what the market is doing. That is how networks determine what is successful and what isn't. We are in a very different space than we were 5,10 or even 15 years ago. Networks across the board are NOT pulling the big viewer numbers that they did back then. Markets have splintered. Viewer habits have changed. And viewers have been spread thin with streaming platforms and other entertainment options. The highest viewership among all NFL broadcasts on Sunday was around 7.5/7.8 million.. And those numbers today are considered really good. They did that with huge budgets to promote, built in audiences in place, and an already set pattern established. Compared to years past, those numbers would have been considered average. When you have some prime time tv series hitting 2 to 3 million viewers today, and networks consider those numbers successful in this splintering market. So for our national championship, to air during daytime, in a non prime time spot, with a small budget and campaign to boot, and pull a 1.6, and you have major production struggling to get 1 million viewers in this market, again, ABC sees this as a win. And I am willing to bet they expand their budgets for next year. I could pull the articles to prove what I am saying,but that isn't what this platform is for. But volleyball is on the up swing, and the television industry's eyes are open to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2023 13:26:22 GMT -5
Once again you can't compare it even up with last year. ABC has about 25 million more households in reach compared to ESPN. Once, again, that is exactly what they are comparing. Last year's number is the only barometer by which to measure growth from last year now. And yes ABC does have more households available, and its much more that 25 million. But you also have to understand what the market is doing. That is how networks determine what is successful and what isn't. We are in a very different space than we were 5,10 or even 15 years ago. Networks across the board are NOT pulling the big viewer numbers that they did back then. Markets have splintered. Viewer habits have changed. And viewers have been spread thin with streaming platforms and other entertainment options. The highest viewership among all NFL broadcasts on Sunday was around 7.5/7.8 million.. And those numbers today are considered really good. They did that with huge budgets to promote, built in audiences in place, and an already set pattern established. Compared to years past, those numbers would have been considered average. When you have some prime time tv series hitting 2 to 3 million viewers today, and networks consider those numbers successful in this splintering market. So for our national championship, to air during daytime, in a non prime time spot, with a small budget and campaign to boot, and pull a 1.6, and you have major production struggling to get 1 million viewers in this market, again, ABC sees this as a win. And I am willing to bet they expand their budgets for next year. I could pull the articles to prove what I am saying,but that isn't what this platform is for. But volleyball is on the up swing, and the television industry's eyes are open to it. Alls I said it isn't an even comparison in total reach of households which is indeed a fact as ABC has a considerable advantage in total households to reach over ESPN. Don't get your feathers in a dander about the rest of it. Where did I say ratings were even a disappointment. 🙄
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Post by lance09 on Dec 19, 2023 13:40:42 GMT -5
Once again you can't compare it even up with last year. ABC has about 25 million more households in reach compared to ESPN. The guy works in the industry. You post on volleytalk. I appreciate your perspective, and certainly understand its merit, but he’s trying to give you a glimpse in how the industry views it and you’re sitting here arguing with him, “No no no. That’s not how to look at it. THIS is how to look at it!” Thanks you for this! You just saved me from myself. I was going to respond again...and you brought reason into the picture. I can now move on. Seriously. Thank you.
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Post by nellynel on Dec 19, 2023 13:43:38 GMT -5
Question for those that know more than me, which is everyone.
When Texas was on its run in the second set and third set, is there an opportunity to sub out Murray at least until she’s in the front row?
I know she’s the 6 rotation outside but she was being targeted in SR and defense like I haven’t seen in a while. I know there are substitution considerations but that was the least of Nebraska’s concerns during those runs.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 19, 2023 13:44:08 GMT -5
Once, again, that is exactly what they are comparing. Last year's number is the only barometer by which to measure growth from last year now. And yes ABC does have more households available, and its much more that 25 million. But you also have to understand what the market is doing. That is how networks determine what is successful and what isn't. We are in a very different space than we were 5,10 or even 15 years ago. Networks across the board are NOT pulling the big viewer numbers that they did back then. Markets have splintered. Viewer habits have changed. And viewers have been spread thin with streaming platforms and other entertainment options. The highest viewership among all NFL broadcasts on Sunday was around 7.5/7.8 million.. And those numbers today are considered really good. They did that with huge budgets to promote, built in audiences in place, and an already set pattern established. Compared to years past, those numbers would have been considered average. When you have some prime time tv series hitting 2 to 3 million viewers today, and networks consider those numbers successful in this splintering market. So for our national championship, to air during daytime, in a non prime time spot, with a small budget and campaign to boot, and pull a 1.6, and you have major production struggling to get 1 million viewers in this market, again, ABC sees this as a win. And I am willing to bet they expand their budgets for next year. I could pull the articles to prove what I am saying,but that isn't what this platform is for. But volleyball is on the up swing, and the television industry's eyes are open to it. Alls I said it isn't an even comparison in total reach of households which is indeed a fact as ABC has a considerable advantage in total households to reach over ESPN. Don't get your feathers in a dander about the rest of it. Where did I say ratings were even a disappointment. 🙄 You’re bizarre. His feathers aren’t in a dander. He’s simply trying to explain the perspective of someone who is in the industry to someone who isn’t who is trying to tell him how to think about the numbers. If anything he’s being quite patient. He’s also failing to make paragraphs, so as the paragraph nazi I’m going to have to cry foul there for ease of reading, but otherwise I thought it was a really good reply.
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Post by lance09 on Dec 19, 2023 13:48:06 GMT -5
Alls I said it isn't an even comparison in total reach of households which is indeed a fact as ABC has a considerable advantage in total households to reach over ESPN. Don't get your feathers in a dander about the rest of it. Where did I say ratings were even a disappointment. 🙄 You’re bizarre. His feathers aren’t in a dander. He’s simply trying to explain the perspective of someone who is in the industry to someone who isn’t who is trying to tell him how to think about the numbers. If anything he’s being quite patient. He’s also failing to make paragraphs, so as the paragraph nazi I’m going to have to cry foul there for ease of reading, but otherwise I thought it was a really good reply. @ ElliottCantWinChampionships noted. I will do better.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 19, 2023 13:50:24 GMT -5
Question for those that know more than me, which is everyone. When Texas was on its run in the second set and third set, is there an opportunity to sub out Murray at least until she’s in the front row? I know she’s the 6 rotation outside but she was being targeted in SR and defense like I haven’t seen in a while. I know there are substitution considerations but that was the least of Nebraska’s concerns during those runs. They subbed out Batenhorst for Kubik. There’s no question they could have subbed out Murray. utrulez (not the right spelling) who says they’re a ref (I believe them) was criticizing Cook for not doing exactly that earlier in the thread. I’m on my phone so I don’t want to go back and find it, but I’ll try to link it when I get to a desktop. They made some really interesting comments while watching at the game. I would love to see your take on their posts since you were there also.
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Post by brybast on Dec 19, 2023 13:52:57 GMT -5
Question for those that know more than me, which is everyone. When Texas was on its run in the second set and third set, is there an opportunity to sub out Murray at least until she’s in the front row? I know she’s the 6 rotation outside but she was being targeted in SR and defense like I haven’t seen in a while. I know there are substitution considerations but that was the least of Nebraska’s concerns during those runs. Sure the rules would allow this, but this is Saint John you're questioning! Didn't you hear him? Unlike the Texas coach, his focus is on making players great, and the way he does that is he lets them get aced again and again including on match point.
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Post by staticb on Dec 19, 2023 14:00:18 GMT -5
They subbed out Batenhorst for Kubik. There’s no question they could have subbed out Murray. utrulez (not the right spelling) who says they’re a ref (I believe them) was criticizing Cook for not doing exactly that earlier in the thread. I’m on my phone so I don’t want to go back and find it, but I’ll try to link it when I get to a desktop. They made some really interesting comments while watching at the game. I would love to see your take on their posts since you were there also. Me before the game: "There's no way Cook is gonna be like Wisconsin and let the same player get Aced 4x in a row like Wisconsin did to GG" Whoops.
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Post by nellynel on Dec 19, 2023 14:00:28 GMT -5
Question for those that know more than me, which is everyone. When Texas was on its run in the second set and third set, is there an opportunity to sub out Murray at least until she’s in the front row? I know she’s the 6 rotation outside but she was being targeted in SR and defense like I haven’t seen in a while. I know there are substitution considerations but that was the least of Nebraska’s concerns during those runs. They subbed out Batenhorst for Kubik. There’s no question they could have subbed out Murray. utrulez (not the right spelling) who says they’re a ref (I believe them) was criticizing Cook for not doing exactly that earlier in the thread. I’m on my phone so I don’t want to go back and find it, but I’ll try to link it when I get to a desktop. They made some really interesting comments while watching at the game. I would love to see your take on their posts since you were there also. Being there Cook was right in that the train was going, and everyone was part of it but 27 had an absolute target on her when she was in the back row for what seemed like every serve or every hit. She wasn’t an attack option for the back row so what are you losing?
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