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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Sept 8, 2024 15:16:13 GMT -5
Great...and I wonder what happened to their attack from those outsides lol? Maybe the inability to terminate from the left (still a problem to this day) had something to do with that. Not to mention...that Nebraska team's strengths were not their outsides, it was their triple liberos + Hames providing impenetrable floor D + tenacious serving. For us, if our block is a mess and our middles are off, we won't make the final four, no matter how talented Sarah Franklin is. Like our block has literally been the identity of this program. As for Texas, I mean...I said into the conference season. With these 2 losses, I'm expecting JE to probably choose a setter soon (or go 6-2) heading into the conference season. Last year, he stuck with Wenaas and Phillips despite loud calls for Kahahawai. Mentioning Hames also works against your claim. 2021 was the year Kennedi Orr was "given the keys to the car". Then they played with a 6-2 with Orr, Hames and Anni Evans, before finally going back to Hames. Nebraska didn't play a 6-2 in 2021.....Kennedi Orr was out for 99% of the season with a really bad injury, so I don't know what car keys she was given. Anni Evans has a total of...24 assists in 2021. She was a serving sub and that's basically it.
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Post by Burly Ives on Sept 8, 2024 15:20:34 GMT -5
Booth was playing worse, where’s the benching until last night? And she is fully healthy too unlike Anna. Like going into the Baylor’s game Booth was hitting .210 or so with .65 blocks/set, as a middle. Those are terrible names and yet there were barely whispers about benching her, and yet there are so many posts about benching Anna after two games while injured with a brand new setter lol. Also, for all the “Anna was playing so badly” so Sheff was “correct in benching her” crowd, we’d be at minimum 1-4 right now without her and probably 0-5. For all the changes Sheff was “right” to make subbing out Anna according to y’all, without Anna these changes are at 0% effectiveness. You know who else has had awesome depth but don’t do musical chair into the conference season? Texas and Nebraska, whose B-team is prob nearly as good as their A team. Depth is a good thing, but depth where you’re playing platoon with your front row players is not. That makes it a) extremely hard to build chemistry and connection, stuff that matters against the elite teams (and prob one of reasons why our block has been so gapping early in the season. Literally blocking in different positions next to different people so often.). It’s literally the same reason why our back row looked so bad the first few game until he finally put in a single libero. B) it creates some doubt in the back of the players’ heads where they know they can get subbed out if they’re playing badly instead of being allowed to work through it, easily leading them to being more pressed or playing more timidly. And even Sheff has to admit Devyn was not pleased when she was pulled yesterday and this time they won so all is good, but what happened the next time this happen and they lose? Resentment? Some anger? Those little things can easily build and destroy a team. As John Madden says, if you have two QBs, you actually have none. Pick your starters and stick with it. Let's get an opinion from a Badger player. Maybe she can shed some light on this matter:
Senior middle blocker Caroline Crawford, who played throughout the match [TCU], said that versatility is one of the Badgers’ prime assets.
“Anyone on our team can be thrown in at any position at any time,” said Crawford, who finished with a season-high 12 kills. “We run our offense and defense very similar to the women’s national team, where people can rotate in and out. You saw Carter rotate in to block and you saw a 6-2 mixed in. Being able to have any have any player on the bench come off and join the game and automatically contributing I think is a huge part of our game.
This is not going to change, even if the Coaching Essentials For Volleyball Fans Handbook doesn't approve.
Go Badgers
I think the issue too often is that when a fan stans a little too hard for a player, the fact to whether that player is providing the impact that said fan expects of them and how big a part of the team that the player gets to deliver for the team detracts from enjoyment of the teams success in general. I have made a few comments of frustration recently regarding Sheffield's coaching particularly the two libero thought experiment and now it looks like I won't have to whine about that after Schumacher's performance these last two games. But as long as the team builds good habits and the output continues to improve there really isn't basis for being highly critical of Coach. My only real concern now is building our block up to the level that we are capable of. I think getting Carter Booth on track would tremendously aid in that process.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 8, 2024 15:20:56 GMT -5
Mentioning Hames also works against your claim. 2021 was the year Kennedi Orr was "given the keys to the car". Then they played with a 6-2 with Orr, Hames and Anni Evans, before finally going back to Hames. Nebraska didn't play a 6-2 in 2021.....Kennedi Orr was out for 99% of the season with a really bad injury, so I don't know what car keys she was given. Anni Evans has a total of...24 assists in 2021. She was a serving sub and that's basically it. My mistake. 2022, not 2021.
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Sept 8, 2024 15:59:46 GMT -5
Booth was playing worse, where’s the benching until last night? And she is fully healthy too unlike Anna. Like going into the Baylor’s game Booth was hitting .210 or so with .65 blocks/set, as a middle. Those are terrible names and yet there were barely whispers about benching her, and yet there are so many posts about benching Anna after two games while injured with a brand new setter lol. Also, for all the “Anna was playing so badly” so Sheff was “correct in benching her” crowd, we’d be at minimum 1-4 right now without her and probably 0-5. For all the changes Sheff was “right” to make subbing out Anna according to y’all, without Anna these changes are at 0% effectiveness. You know who else has had awesome depth but don’t do musical chair into the conference season? Texas and Nebraska, whose B-team is prob nearly as good as their A team. Depth is a good thing, but depth where you’re playing platoon with your front row players is not. That makes it a) extremely hard to build chemistry and connection, stuff that matters against the elite teams (and prob one of reasons why our block has been so gapping early in the season. Literally blocking in different positions next to different people so often.). It’s literally the same reason why our back row looked so bad the first few game until he finally put in a single libero. B) it creates some doubt in the back of the players’ heads where they know they can get subbed out if they’re playing badly instead of being allowed to work through it, easily leading them to being more pressed or playing more timidly. And even Sheff has to admit Devyn was not pleased when she was pulled yesterday and this time they won so all is good, but what happened the next time this happen and they lose? Resentment? Some anger? Those little things can easily build and destroy a team. As John Madden says, if you have two QBs, you actually have none. Pick your starters and stick with it. Let's get an opinion from a Badger player. Maybe she can shed some light on this matter:
Senior middle blocker Caroline Crawford, who played throughout the match [TCU], said that versatility is one of the Badgers’ prime assets.
“Anyone on our team can be thrown in at any position at any time,” said Crawford, who finished with a season-high 12 kills. “We run our offense and defense very similar to the women’s national team, where people can rotate in and out. You saw Carter rotate in to block and you saw a 6-2 mixed in. Being able to have any have any player on the bench come off and join the game and automatically contributing I think is a huge part of our game.
This is not going to change, even if the Coaching Essentials For Volleyball Fans Handbook doesn't approve.
Go Badgers
The women's national team....doesn't rotate people in and out, I don't know what CC was watching. The international game has strict subs limitation, so they can't even do it if they want to. Unless she's talking about events like VNL where Karch literally use it to experiment for the big tourneys. Hell, one of the biggest criticism against Karch was not making any changes even when his starters are floundering during some tourneys. During the Olympics, the most they did was situational double sub. Wisconsin doesn't even use the double subs unless Charlie is reaaally struggling, and only then for a couple of plays, not consistently. Otherwise, team USA had a serving sub here, or a backrow defensive sub there lol. Rettke was the 3rd MB and she got to play for like 1 serve. So sure, if Wisconsin is like the women's national team, that means someone needs to sit to make room for regular starters. Thanks CC for the insight.
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Post by b1gvb23 on Sept 8, 2024 16:03:49 GMT -5
Let's get an opinion from a Badger player. Maybe she can shed some light on this matter:
Senior middle blocker Caroline Crawford, who played throughout the match [TCU], said that versatility is one of the Badgers’ prime assets.
“Anyone on our team can be thrown in at any position at any time,” said Crawford, who finished with a season-high 12 kills. “We run our offense and defense very similar to the women’s national team, where people can rotate in and out. You saw Carter rotate in to block and you saw a 6-2 mixed in. Being able to have any have any player on the bench come off and join the game and automatically contributing I think is a huge part of our game.
This is not going to change, even if the Coaching Essentials For Volleyball Fans Handbook doesn't approve.
Go Badgers
The women's national team....doesn't rotate people in and out, I don't know what CC was watching. The international game has strict subs limitation, so they can't even do it if they want to. Unless she's talking about events like VNL where Karch literally use it to experiment for the big tourneys. Hell, one of the biggest criticism against Karch was not making any changes even when his starters are floundering during some tourneys. During the Olympics, the most they did was situational double sub. Wisconsin doesn't even use the double subs unless Charlie is reaaally struggling, and only then for a couple of plays, not consistently. Otherwise, team USA had a serving sub here, or a backrow defensive sub there lol. Rettke was the 3rd MB and she got to play for like 1 serve. So sure, if Wisconsin is like the women's national team, that means someone needs to sit to make room for regular starters. Thanks CC for the insight. To be fair we did see a lot more rotation through the outsides than was expected
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Post by netninja on Sept 8, 2024 16:07:07 GMT -5
Regarding all these posts about Smrek/CC/Booth/Devyn. Sheff talked about it yesterday in the post game interview, and it's in Punzel's article. This is what Sheff said about it:
“Nobody was hotter the first part of the match than Devyn,” Sheffield said. “They switched to a 6-2 and got a better blocker on her and she had a tough time scoring from there. Anna stays ready. Anna hasn’t played in 2½ hours and comes in there and gets two really big kills.”
“I’ve said it before and I’m going to continue to say it: That can be our strength if we allow it, if we don’t get down on ourselves, we’re not judging it, we’re just staying ready. Nobody was happier in that locker room than Devyn. She gets subbed out in the fifth set and she wasn’t overly pleased with that, but it’s a huge team win.”
Having depth is a good thing people, and I trust Sheff to use it. Wish we had more (healthy) depth at OH position. It's a long season, players get injured and sick, and it's a lot easier to plug-n-play than switch systems. I think it cost us B1G title last year (share of it) when key players had injuries at key times in the season and thus the losses on the road to PSU and Purdue.
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Sept 8, 2024 16:11:20 GMT -5
The women's national team....doesn't rotate people in and out, I don't know what CC was watching. The international game has strict subs limitation, so they can't even do it if they want to. Unless she's talking about events like VNL where Karch literally use it to experiment for the big tourneys. Hell, one of the biggest criticism against Karch was not making any changes even when his starters are floundering during some tourneys. During the Olympics, the most they did was situational double sub. Wisconsin doesn't even use the double subs unless Charlie is reaaally struggling, and only then for a couple of plays, not consistently. Otherwise, team USA had a serving sub here, or a backrow defensive sub there lol. Rettke was the 3rd MB and she got to play for like 1 serve. So sure, if Wisconsin is like the women's national team, that means someone needs to sit to make room for regular starters. Thanks CC for the insight. To be fair we did see a lot more rotation through the outsides than was expected I mean in all the knockout matches in the OG it was Skinner and Plummer at the OHs with Cook and Larson as backrow/serving subs. In the big win against Serbia in the knockout stage it was the same thing. Karch only rotated a little bit with France...but like...it's France. The only real "rotation" I guess was Karch willing to switch from his previous starters to a brand new combination after the terrible start against China. Wisconsin can rotate against the likes of Milwaukee too for all I care, I'm mainly talking about the tougher matches against top opponents.
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Post by 25or624 on Sept 8, 2024 16:13:01 GMT -5
Let's get an opinion from a Badger player. Maybe she can shed some light on this matter:
Senior middle blocker Caroline Crawford, who played throughout the match [TCU], said that versatility is one of the Badgers’ prime assets.
“Anyone on our team can be thrown in at any position at any time,” said Crawford, who finished with a season-high 12 kills. “We run our offense and defense very similar to the women’s national team, where people can rotate in and out. You saw Carter rotate in to block and you saw a 6-2 mixed in. Being able to have any have any player on the bench come off and join the game and automatically contributing I think is a huge part of our game.
This is not going to change, even if the Coaching Essentials For Volleyball Fans Handbook doesn't approve.
Go Badgers
The women's national team....doesn't rotate people in and out, I don't know what CC was watching. The international game has strict subs limitation, so they can't even do it if they want to. Unless she's talking about events like VNL where Karch literally use it to experiment for the big tourneys. Hell, one of the biggest criticism against Karch was not making any changes even when his starters are floundering during some tourneys. During the Olympics, the most they did was situational double sub. Wisconsin doesn't even use the double subs unless Charlie is reaaally struggling, and only then for a couple of plays, not consistently. Otherwise, team USA had a serving sub here, or a backrow defensive sub there lol. Rettke was the 3rd MB and she got to play for like 1 serve. So sure, if Wisconsin is like the women's national team, that means someone needs to sit to make room for regular starters. Thanks CC for the insight. In (this) space, no one can hear you scream ...
Rage, rage against the dying of the light ...
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Sept 8, 2024 16:16:48 GMT -5
The women's national team....doesn't rotate people in and out, I don't know what CC was watching. The international game has strict subs limitation, so they can't even do it if they want to. Unless she's talking about events like VNL where Karch literally use it to experiment for the big tourneys. Hell, one of the biggest criticism against Karch was not making any changes even when his starters are floundering during some tourneys. During the Olympics, the most they did was situational double sub. Wisconsin doesn't even use the double subs unless Charlie is reaaally struggling, and only then for a couple of plays, not consistently. Otherwise, team USA had a serving sub here, or a backrow defensive sub there lol. Rettke was the 3rd MB and she got to play for like 1 serve. So sure, if Wisconsin is like the women's national team, that means someone needs to sit to make room for regular starters. Thanks CC for the insight. In (this) space, no one can hear you scream ...
Rage, rage against the dying of the light ...
You do know what that poem and specifically that line means right lmao? You're telling me to keep fighting the good fight? Thanks!
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Post by chibadgerfan on Sept 8, 2024 16:36:57 GMT -5
In (this) space, no one can hear you scream ...
Rage, rage against the dying of the light ...
You do know what that poem and specifically that line means right lmao? You're telling me to keep fighting the good fight? Thanks! I don’t think that’s what he’s saying
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Post by 25or624 on Sept 8, 2024 16:41:47 GMT -5
In (this) space, no one can hear you scream ...
Rage, rage against the dying of the light ...
You do know what that poem and specifically that line means right lmao? You're telling me to keep fighting the good fight? Thanks! I am familiar with it. What I am tacitly suggesting is that in spite of the rage, the light will be extinguished and similarly, even you will eventually get tired of arguing for whatever it is you hope to achieve. If not, Kelly is still the coach and you are left with your frustrations.
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Post by swaggyp on Sept 8, 2024 16:42:59 GMT -5
I doubt that that is true for Texas, who swapped setters during the match vs UW, and have been swapping them ever since. But I'll let somebody more familiar with their lineups last year respond more definitively. But Nebraska in 2021, when they played UW for the championship, played 'musical chairs' between four outsides all year long. They ended the regular season at the Field House with different outsides playing than those who played during the NCAAs. Landfair started in place of Krause this week in the loss to SMU. That’s also part of Nebraska’s problem though the last few years has been their offense and efficiency in pins. Separately, I find it interesting how for the past like 5 years they get the top recruits and pin hitters every year and every year they’re always underwhelming in their offensive production and efficiency as the supposed best players coming into college. They’re still great don’t get me wrong and much improved the past year with beasons % but it makes me wonder why Nebraska always has this problem After 1999 their head coach really started to stink.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 8, 2024 16:53:04 GMT -5
In (this) space, no one can hear you scream ...
Rage, rage against the dying of the light ...
You do know what that poem and specifically that line means right lmao? You're telling me to keep fighting the good fight? Thanks! Of course selectively quoting one and not the other is kind of missing his point. Raging is all fine and good if it makes you feel better, but also futile if you are in a vacuum. This is what I think. 1. Now is the time to figure out best lineups and those lineups we put out should be based on performance. 2. For whatever reason, Smrek still has only a 0.206 HP and is erroring at 20%. When she starts, the badgers lose. 3. As long as those stats are true I'm taking Dev over her at RS. We need an effective attack there to balance the LS attack. 4. Once you put Dev out there, you are left with Booth and CC in the middle, neither of which is a RS. That's a team that maybe could solidify the badgers ball handling and cohesion in transition with two freshmen (Schumacher and Charlie) on the court. 5. Smrek is a great impact sub that gives a completely different look at RS when she comes in. Teams have a hard time adjusting. 6. I expect that eventually Smrek will come back in at RS and Dev will move to the middle, but they have to resolve some issues first. 7. I actually like the idea of a flexible lineup to meet the challenges other side present. Baylor nearly beat us with a similar approach.
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Post by Burly Ives on Sept 8, 2024 17:18:46 GMT -5
Full video of the Baylor/UW match is up.
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Post by swaggyp on Sept 8, 2024 17:29:47 GMT -5
Full video of the Baylor/UW match is up. Lola can't control a dig to make it 11-14 Baylor at 1:55:35 in case you're thinking of reliving those last few points.
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