|
Post by maigrey on Sept 12, 2024 16:01:16 GMT -5
Although this article said: "Carlini will join the bench, Tuesday, September 17 against Marquette at the Kohl Center." Maybe one of the other coaches is recruiting? I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen Jordan Larson join the huddle at Nebraska. I don't think I have. She sits on the bench, but doesn't get up and join the huddle. Maybe that's the limitation. Jordan is actually one of the 3 official assistant coaches, though. I guess we'll see Tuesday!
|
|
|
Post by dodger on Sept 12, 2024 16:08:21 GMT -5
I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen Jordan Larson join the huddle at Nebraska. I don't think I have. She sits on the bench, but doesn't get up and join the huddle. Maybe that's the limitation. Jordan is actually one of the 3 official assistant coaches, though. I guess we'll see Tuesday! Yes this seems illegal by NCAA standards; but things are changing radically and quickly and maybe there is a loop whole Madison has figure how to exploit. In theory only coaches can coach even the DOVO can not coach or a manager or the Tech guy who does there coding! we will see what will become of this. If its a loop whole watch for more "loop whole" fillers at other programs!
|
|
|
Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 12, 2024 16:08:26 GMT -5
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
LC IS BACK, BABY!
|
|
|
Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 12, 2024 16:12:23 GMT -5
Her new title feels like utter nonsense, but who cares. haha I concur. Call her Assistant Vice Deputy Evaluation Manager of Orb Delivery Angles in Game Situations, for all I care. This is her title now, I don't care what anyone else says.
|
|
|
Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 12, 2024 16:14:02 GMT -5
Yes this seems illegal by NCAA standards; but things are changing radically and quickly and maybe there is a loop whole Madison has figure how to exploit. In theory only coaches can coach even the DOVO can not coach or a manager or the Tech guy who does there coding! we will see what will become of this. If its a loop whole watch for more "loop whole" fillers at other programs! When Annemarie was the tech coordinator before she was elevated to assistant coach, she sat on the bench and coded matches and gave high fives and everything, and then during play and between points and at the start of TOs she shared data and input with the coaches, and they coached the players. I imagine LC's role will be similar to that.
|
|
|
Post by dodger on Sept 12, 2024 16:28:33 GMT -5
Yes this seems illegal by NCAA standards; but things are changing radically and quickly and maybe there is a loop whole Madison has figure how to exploit. In theory only coaches can coach even the DOVO can not coach or a manager or the Tech guy who does there coding! we will see what will become of this. If its a loop whole watch for more "loop whole" fillers at other programs! When Annemarie was the tech coordinator before she was elevated to assistant coach, she sat on the bench and coded matches and gave high fives and everything, and then during play and between points and at the start of TOs she shared data and input with the coaches, and they coached the players. I imagine LC's role will be similar to that. Yes Tech coordinator does do that: and managers and DOVO's do stats and relay info to coaching staff: but as of June 2024 volleyball still had restrictions on who can "coach" athletes on a team. football got rules modified so an person on staff at institution can work with athlete on skills and tactics; but volleyball still has this rule: that any person, staff, or consultant that works directly with students counts as a "coach" one of the 4 "legal" coaches used for coaching. In sports other than football, countable coach is an institutional staff member or any other individual outside the institution (e.g., consultant, professional instructor) with whom the institution has made arrangements who engages in off-campus recruiting activities or provides technical or tactical instruction related to a sport to a student-athlete at any time. this sounds like Caroline's new title> and if she sits bench and coaches she would have to count as one of 4. So maybe someone from media will ask KS how they got this done legally. he does have rep. as someone who walks the grey area pretty consistently.
|
|
|
Post by 25or624 on Sept 12, 2024 16:38:30 GMT -5
Punzel, 37 minutes ago, WSJ Online:
Carlini, the first four-time AVCA All-American in University of Wisconsin volleyball history, is returning to the Badgers program as offensive analyst and strategy consultant, coach Kelly Sheffield announced Thursday...
Carlini will make her debut on the Wisconsin bench Tuesday against Marquette at the Kohl Center.
|
|
|
Post by badgerbyproxy on Sept 12, 2024 16:44:26 GMT -5
When Annemarie was the tech coordinator before she was elevated to assistant coach, she sat on the bench and coded matches and gave high fives and everything, and then during play and between points and at the start of TOs she shared data and input with the coaches, and they coached the players. I imagine LC's role will be similar to that. Yes Tech coordinator does do that: and managers and DOVO's do stats and relay info to coaching staff: but as of June 2024 volleyball still had restrictions on who can "coach" athletes on a team. football got rules modified so an person on staff at institution can work with athlete on skills and tactics; but volleyball still has this rule: that any person, staff, or consultant that works directly with students counts as a "coach" one of the 4 "legal" coaches used for coaching. In sports other than football, countable coach is an institutional staff member or any other individual outside the institution (e.g., consultant, professional instructor) with whom the institution has made arrangements who engages in off-campus recruiting activities or provides technical or tactical instruction related to a sport to a student-athlete at any time. this sounds like Caroline's new title> and if she sits bench and coaches she would have to count as one of 4. So maybe someone from media will ask KS how they got this done legally. he does have rep. as someone who walks the grey area pretty consistently. I’m assuming that Sheffield, Carlini, and the UW compliance departments are aware of what she can and can’t do. Carlini will likely just observe and tell Sheff what Charlie needs to hear, and then Sheff will relay it as an intermediary. No direct coaching, just communicating observations from the “offensive analyst.”
|
|
|
Post by dodger on Sept 12, 2024 17:10:32 GMT -5
Yes well that would make job similar to Tech staff person: or any other staff taking stats during a match or correcting information: But this would be a "first" for volleyball and it would be interesting as to the "compliance" arm of this and how and what legislative rules; they used to make this ok: Legal. My experience was to initially say it's illegal to have said position. but if not illegal; this would open the door to a drove of "Marvel Dumphy" drones sitting in the stands on a mic to the ear piece of the head coach giving in game tactics for use by team in time outs!
Would love if this turn out to be true: You will see Haley back on the sidelines some place as the offensive coordibnator; or Shoji on the sideline as consultant in Hawaii. without the need to make them a "Coach"!
|
|
|
Post by badgerbreath on Sept 12, 2024 17:30:34 GMT -5
Basically this is going to be Sheff and Carlini getting some popcorn and having movie nights like old times.
But seriously, not sure the coaching staff needs that much help. It could be as much about Carlini getting some insight on being a coach. She has said that she needs to figure out if that is in her future.
|
|
|
Post by gazelle1 on Sept 12, 2024 17:34:00 GMT -5
Her new title feels like utter nonsense, but who cares. haha Totally agree. I will give it the benefit of the doubt that she will be working with GSW on scouting setter tendencies or something like that. Or the opposite, scouting the other teams defensive weaknesses to come up with setter strategy. As much as we all like to talk about the X's and O's of the sport, the true lifeblood for any college program's success is recruiting. Having Carlini on staff will undoubtedly help in that regard.
|
|
|
Post by pepperjack on Sept 12, 2024 18:04:45 GMT -5
You have to think Lauren Carlini’s experience will help in setter recruiting, or at least expand on Kelly’s setter recruiting abilities - which are already top notch. If you’re striving to be the best, why not learn from one that was the best on the international level. Expand or get better? LOLOL wut? Im pretty sure hes gotten the best setter recruit hes wanted since carlini. Wisconsin is the last place i would ever say needs recruiting help even with their misses in the portal this year. Really? Even over Texas and Nebraska? Would love to hear more
|
|
|
Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 12, 2024 18:12:03 GMT -5
Expand or get better? LOLOL wut? Im pretty sure hes gotten the best setter recruit hes wanted since carlini. Wisconsin is the last place i would ever say needs recruiting help even with their misses in the portal this year. Really? Even over Texas and Nebraska? Would love to hear more For setters? Abosolutely They have had Hilley and Furbringer, top recruits for their class at setting and as far as I was aware, wisconsins number one targets Hammil was a top 30 recruit, and so was Ashburn. Getting setters is not wisconsins problem And yes those two teams recruit better, but Wisconsin is easily 3rd (maybe fourth behind stanford) in getting who they want. Hell, MOST top recruits consider them too. Minus this year, Wisconsin has used the portal well too/transfers I dont doubt carlini will help But its like going from an A to an A plus.
|
|
|
Post by pepperjack on Sept 12, 2024 18:27:53 GMT -5
Really? Even over Texas and Nebraska? Would love to hear more For setters? Abosolutely They have had Hilley and Furbringer, top recruits for their class at setting and as far as I was aware, wisconsins number one targets Hammil was a top 30 recruit, and so was Ashburn. Getting setters is not wisconsins problem And yes those two teams recruit better, but Wisconsin is easily 3rd (maybe fourth behind stanford) in getting who they want. Hell, MOST top recruits consider them too. Minus this year, Wisconsin has used the portal well too/transfers I dont doubt carlini will help But its like going from an A to an A plus. 100% agreed about the setting recruiting. Wisconsin is creating a legacy of “good hands” For Nebraska, Texas, and Stanford, what factors do you think makes them more appealing to recruits compared to Wisconsin? Do you think NIL opportunities are the biggest factor in their attractiveness
|
|
|
Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 12, 2024 18:33:22 GMT -5
For setters? Abosolutely They have had Hilley and Furbringer, top recruits for their class at setting and as far as I was aware, wisconsins number one targets Hammil was a top 30 recruit, and so was Ashburn. Getting setters is not wisconsins problem And yes those two teams recruit better, but Wisconsin is easily 3rd (maybe fourth behind stanford) in getting who they want. Hell, MOST top recruits consider them too. Minus this year, Wisconsin has used the portal well too/transfers I dont doubt carlini will help But its like going from an A to an A plus. 100% agreed about the setting recruiting. Wisconsin is creating a legacy of “good hands” For Nebraska, Texas, and Stanford, what factors do you think makes them more appealing to recruits compared to Wisconsin? Do you think NIL opportunities are the biggest factor in their attractiveness Texas is Texas. A monkey could recruit there. They have money and just are good in nearly every sport. Stanford is stanford academic wise, can never and will never compete with them if a kid has stanford in their head. I can think of one recruit who got in that turned them down Nebraska is just the pinacle of volleyball. No one can touch them when it comes to support. They are collegiate volleyball
|
|