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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 26, 2024 13:54:57 GMT -5
Hilley drove me crazy her first and most of her second year. She provided a good ball but she was so damn conservative. It made her easy to defend. Made me tear my hair out after having lived with Carlini for 4 years. She really made a jump half way through her sophomore year. Always great from the service line though.
I think given the time she's had with her hitters, Charlie is doing well. I like the adventurousness in her play and I don't want it to stop, but there is also no doubt it loses us some points right now. It's the cost of the team's development down the line.
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Post by badgersinsix on Sept 26, 2024 14:02:53 GMT -5
We lost in the EE in the Field House as GG forgot how to pass? I'm not sure that type of finish can be thought of as a good thing for this seniors-laden team with the NPOY on it. We also didn't lose a single other match in conference and won the B1G going away. And the gophers absolutely hammered us that year. and we could easily have won the match last night. Having the NPOY on the team makes that scenario more not less likely. If you always focus on what happened the final match of the year, there is only one year that would be counted as successful in badgers history. I'm just not interested in thinking like that. I'm with you on that!
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 26, 2024 14:03:08 GMT -5
Individual criticism directed at several "favorite players" may be warranted, but there are bigger problems to worry about, e.g., [emphasis is mine]: But it was the points the Badgers couldn’t convert that will haunt coach Kelly Sheffield and his team. There were 24 hitting errors and 13 service errors, but there also were some mental errors along the way. “When you’ve got an opportunity to come in and steal something and you’re making errors, just silly stuff that we’re talking about during timeouts,” Sheffield said. “There will be a ton of stuff off that film that we’ve got to get better at" ...
So even when they were trailing in the fifth set, Sheffield still was optimistic the Badgers could come back. But they failed to execute when they needed to.
“The fifth set you know a ball is going to Grote and we’ve got a hole in the block from not reading an obvious situation,” Sheffield said. “Two balls that are service errors right toward the end when they’re shanking everything. Then two balls that we wanted to serve in the 5 zone and the bro is in the 1 zone and they serve it to the 1 zone. Those were the only balls that they passed toward the end of the match, balls that we missed the area of the court by 15, 20 feet. We just didn’t execute. The opportunity was there.”
it's disconcerting to see a Badger team called out for this kind of play. I don't know what to attribute it to, e.g., an inability to deal with pressure, or a lack of focus, or a lack of experience, or a lack of individual talent, but the problems evident in this match go beyond Carter and GG.
The 2022 team used the Minnesota loss as a springboard to better play and a bunch of wins. We'll see how the 2024 Badgers respond.
See, this is what I was seeing but in way more detail than I could have provided since I don't know what the coaches were telling the team. Man it was frustrating to watch, but you could see that if they cleared that stuff up even a little bit, the whole match could have changed. I have to think they will.
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Post by Burly Ives on Sept 26, 2024 14:05:38 GMT -5
Individual criticism directed at several "favorite players" may be warranted, but there are bigger problems to worry about, e.g., [emphasis is mine]: But it was the points the Badgers couldn’t convert that will haunt coach Kelly Sheffield and his team. There were 24 hitting errors and 13 service errors, but there also were some mental errors along the way. “When you’ve got an opportunity to come in and steal something and you’re making errors, just silly stuff that we’re talking about during timeouts,” Sheffield said. “There will be a ton of stuff off that film that we’ve got to get better at" ...
So even when they were trailing in the fifth set, Sheffield still was optimistic the Badgers could come back. But they failed to execute when they needed to.
“The fifth set you know a ball is going to Grote and we’ve got a hole in the block from not reading an obvious situation,” Sheffield said. “Two balls that are service errors right toward the end when they’re shanking everything. Then two balls that we wanted to serve in the 5 zone and the bro is in the 1 zone and they serve it to the 1 zone. Those were the only balls that they passed toward the end of the match, balls that we missed the area of the court by 15, 20 feet. We just didn’t execute. The opportunity was there.”
it's disconcerting to see a Badger team called out for this kind of play. I don't know what to attribute it to, e.g., an inability to deal with pressure, or a lack of focus, or a lack of experience, or a lack of individual talent, but the problems evident in this match go beyond Carter and GG.
The 2022 team used the Minnesota loss as a springboard to better play and a bunch of wins. We'll see how the 2024 Badgers respond.
See, this is what I was seeing but in way more detail than I could have provided since I don't know what the coaches were telling the team. Man it was frustrating to watch, but you could see that if they cleared that stuff up even a little bit, the whole match could have changed. I have to think they will. It is pretty obvious our lack of awareness by those in our blocking troupe. So many mental errors. It's gonna take more then a little bit of improvement to have the success we should anticipate against the heavyweights in our conference.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Sept 26, 2024 14:05:57 GMT -5
First year Hilley came in in Spring to train with Carlini and the team, so she had more time to establish her connections. With Fuerbringer, we’re seeing a lot of shakiness because she’s had less time to learn her hitters. Starck came in in spring for PSU, so she’s had several months to learn the offense and flow of the PSU game. Fuerbringer’s first 10 matches of her collegiate career are also MUCH tougher than Hilley’s were. Hilley only ranked non-con team was an over ranked UNC (who failed to even make the NCAA tournament), and then they got railed in the B1G going 11-9. I highly highly doubt freshman Hilley would’ve had a much better record than Fuerbringer did against this slate of opponents, even with graduating early.
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Post by Burly Ives on Sept 26, 2024 14:08:13 GMT -5
First year Hilley came in in Spring to train with Carlini and the team, so she had more time to establish her connections. With Fuerbringer, we’re seeing a lot of shakiness because she’s had less time to learn her hitters. Starck came in in spring for PSU, so she’s had several months to learn the offense and flow of the PSU game. Fuerbringer’s first 10 matches of her collegiate career are also MUCH tougher than Hilley’s were. Hilley only ranked non-con team was an over ranked UNC, and then they got railed in the B1G going 11-9. I highly highly doubt freshman Hilley would’ve had a much better record than Fuerbringer did against this slate of opponents, even with graduating early. But Fuehrbringer has Franklin. Carlini nor Hilley had anyone even close to that good for a go to pin.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Sept 26, 2024 14:18:19 GMT -5
Fuerbringer’s first 10 matches of her collegiate career are also MUCH tougher than Hilley’s were. Hilley only ranked non-con team was an over ranked UNC, and then they got railed in the B1G going 11-9. I highly highly doubt freshman Hilley would’ve had a much better record than Fuerbringer did against this slate of opponents, even with graduating early. But Fuehrbringer has Franklin. Carlini nor Hilley had anyone even close to that good for a go to pin. Wisconsin should be 10-0 because she has Franklin? Carlini/Hilley would’ve made it through #6 Louisville, #1 Texas, #5 Stanford, RV TCU, #23 Baylor, RV Marquette, #18 Minnesota riding Franklin’s back? I mean for god’s sake give her some time to lose to Iowa like sophomore Hilley did before f*cking freaking out.
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Post by Burly Ives on Sept 26, 2024 14:19:26 GMT -5
But Fuehrbringer has Franklin. Carlini nor Hilley had anyone even close to that good for a go to pin. Wisconsin should be 10-0 because she has Franklin? Carlini/Hilley would’ve made it through #6 Louisville, #1 Texas, #5 Stanford, RV TCU, #23 Baylor, RV Marquette, #18 Minnesota riding Franklin’s back? I mean for god’s sake give her some time to lose to Iowa like sophomore Hilley did before f*cking freaking out. Nobody said she should be 10-0 just that she has some advantages that the previous two setters did not. Settle down francis.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Sept 26, 2024 14:24:45 GMT -5
Wisconsin should be 10-0 because she has Franklin? Carlini/Hilley would’ve made it through #6 Louisville, #1 Texas, #5 Stanford, RV TCU, #23 Baylor, RV Marquette, #18 Minnesota riding Franklin’s back? I mean for god’s sake give her some time to lose to Iowa like sophomore Hilley did before f*cking freaking out. Nobody said she should be 10-0 just that she has some advantages that the previous two setters did not. Settle down francis. I really don’t think she’s had that much advantage. It seems like a lot of the Wisconsin attackers have been battling injury during and before season anyway, not really sure how much time she’s had to connect with them just based on health. And Hilley didn’t need to graduate early to develop, Hilley was developed. Carlini and Hilley were just better, much better. That’s not a slight to Charlie, there are no current NCAA setters better than either of them. And just because they were better doesn’t mean they’d be winning.
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Post by 25or624 on Sept 26, 2024 14:26:33 GMT -5
Individual criticism directed at several "favorite players" may be warranted, but there are bigger problems to worry about, e.g., [emphasis is mine]: But it was the points the Badgers couldn’t convert that will haunt coach Kelly Sheffield and his team. There were 24 hitting errors and 13 service errors, but there also were some mental errors along the way. “When you’ve got an opportunity to come in and steal something and you’re making errors, just silly stuff that we’re talking about during timeouts,” Sheffield said. “There will be a ton of stuff off that film that we’ve got to get better at" ...
So even when they were trailing in the fifth set, Sheffield still was optimistic the Badgers could come back. But they failed to execute when they needed to.
“The fifth set you know a ball is going to Grote and we’ve got a hole in the block from not reading an obvious situation,” Sheffield said. “Two balls that are service errors right toward the end when they’re shanking everything. Then two balls that we wanted to serve in the 5 zone and the bro is in the 1 zone and they serve it to the 1 zone. Those were the only balls that they passed toward the end of the match, balls that we missed the area of the court by 15, 20 feet. We just didn’t execute. The opportunity was there.”
it's disconcerting to see a Badger team called out for this kind of play. I don't know what to attribute it to, e.g., an inability to deal with pressure, or a lack of focus, or a lack of experience, or a lack of individual talent, but the problems evident in this match go beyond Carter and GG.
The 2022 team used the Minnesota loss as a springboard to better play and a bunch of wins. We'll see how the 2024 Badgers respond.
Seems like a real problem but deflecting from passing woes is weak sauce....and I hate KK phrase. Kelly's passing-related comments from the article I quoted:
“We had them out of system almost the entire match,” Sheffield said. “I think they passed 1.4, 1.5. When you have your opponent passing 1.4 or 1.5, you’ve got to win that match.” ...
But none of the combinations up front worked ...
“We out-passed them but we never really got our middles going and our right sides were not able to get kills out of system,” Sheffield said.
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Post by Burly Ives on Sept 26, 2024 14:30:55 GMT -5
Nobody said she should be 10-0 just that she has some advantages that the previous two setters did not. Settle down francis. I really don’t think she’s had that much advantage. It seems like a lot of the Wisconsin attackers have been battling injury during and before season anyway, not really sure how much time she’s had to connect with them just based on health. And Hilley didn’t need to graduate early to develop, Hilley was developed. Carlini and Hilley were just better, much better. That’s not a slight to Charlie, there are no current NCAA setters better than either of them. And just because they were better doesn’t mean they’d be winning. Well decision making leaves much to be desired for her. On the last set that went to Booth after Booth just had to lunge forward to pass it up. Just a very poor decision. Franklin out of the back row would have put us in a better position. I know she will improve but she has considerable talent to work with Dev, Anna, Franklin can all be lethal threats. That is why Dev needs along with CC to be the only two MB's going forward. We need more continuity as a team. But we struggle with that due in part to the injuries you mentioned but they seem mostly full strength now and Sheffield's stupid gimmick for employing the two libero look.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 26, 2024 14:45:37 GMT -5
Seems like a real problem but deflecting from passing woes is weak sauce....and I hate KK phrase.
“We out-passed them but we never really got our middles going and our right sides were not able to get kills out of system,” Sheffield said.
I mean, this is the thing that was driving me crazy through the match. Despite the passing, we were winning the serve pass battle IMO, and we were getting opportunities on the right side despite not passing perfectly, but we just were not making them work. The middle attack was largely missing - much like with the 6-2.
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Post by badgersinsix on Sept 26, 2024 14:48:46 GMT -5
Seems like a real problem but deflecting from passing woes is weak sauce....and I hate KK phrase. Kelly's passing-related comments from the article I quoted:
“We had them out of system almost the entire match,” Sheffield said. “I think they passed 1.4, 1.5. When you have your opponent passing 1.4 or 1.5, you’ve got to win that match.” ...
But none of the combinations up front worked ...
“We out-passed them but we never really got our middles going and our right sides were not able to get kills out of system,” Sheffield said.
During the match, it felt like Minnesota had Sarah's number. Funny thing is she was still 21-4-57 .298. But credit to Minnesota's block pretty consistently getting good block touches on everyone (except Anna when the set location was good) and their defense playing incredibly. That resulted in not enough of the Badgers hitters being a threat and things not opening up enough for Franklin. Even though she got her kills, she wasn't able to get them any time she wanted. Still almost pulled through, but tip of the hat to the Gophers for not breaking.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Sept 26, 2024 14:58:33 GMT -5
I really don’t think she’s had that much advantage. It seems like a lot of the Wisconsin attackers have been battling injury during and before season anyway, not really sure how much time she’s had to connect with them just based on health. And Hilley didn’t need to graduate early to develop, Hilley was developed. Carlini and Hilley were just better, much better. That’s not a slight to Charlie, there are no current NCAA setters better than either of them. And just because they were better doesn’t mean they’d be winning. Well decision making leaves much to be desired for her. On the last set that went to Booth after Booth just had to lunge forward to pass it up. Just a very poor decision. Franklin out of the back row would have put us in a better position. I know she will improve but she has considerable talent to work with Dev, Anna, Franklin can all be lethal threats. That is why Dev needs along with CC to be the only two MB's going forward. We need more continuity as a team. But we struggle with that due in part to the injuries you mentioned but they seem mostly full strength now and Sheffield's stupid gimmick for employing the two libero look. I agree with pretty much all of the above (I haven’t thought much about what the “ideal” lineup for them is moving forward). I think the decision making is going to be a learning curve for quite a while. Carlini coming in to provide guidance could be exactly what she needs to accelerate her development.
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Post by swaggyp on Sept 26, 2024 15:12:26 GMT -5
Kelly's passing-related comments from the article I quoted:
“We had them out of system almost the entire match,” Sheffield said. “I think they passed 1.4, 1.5. When you have your opponent passing 1.4 or 1.5, you’ve got to win that match.” ...
But none of the combinations up front worked ...
“We out-passed them but we never really got our middles going and our right sides were not able to get kills out of system,” Sheffield said.
> it felt like Minnesota had Sarah's number. Totally agree, though I'm not sure Minnesota's game plan will be substantially different from anyone else's this year (or last season for that matter). "You can't stop her you can only hope to contain her" comes to mind. Make her take 10+ swings for <5 kills per set and you're "winning". > (except Anna when the set location was good) The injury probably leads to some of this season's inconsistency, but one consistent thing is when she gets it in her window it's terminal. This gives me great hope as the season goes on.
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