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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 5, 2024 16:54:33 GMT -5
International treaties renegotiated, imagine that. Again, being on US soil requirements can be modified. Moral obligation would be to ship birth control to countries with run away birth rates. Moral obligation would be to stop people from putting their lives at greater risk through insane migration routes when not necessary. Moral obligation would be to put an end to the causes of misery in the countries they flee from and not jeopardize our own quality of life. Moral obligation would be to eliminate the demand in our country for drugs, and in doing so eliminate the NARCO gangs these people are fleeing from. Moral obligation would be to eliminate human trafficking through immigration corridors. Moral obligation would be to teach the Latin farmers better farming practices, habitat preservation and better ecological practices. Your fascination with birth rates is very normal. Your feeble attempt at sarcasm I take it. Root of most all human problems is too many people on the planet. Excess pollution, food and resource shortages, droughts, escalation of pandemics, wars for land, chopping down of rain forest and etc. And where are the greatest population birth rates? Developing countries. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 5, 2024 17:06:01 GMT -5
Your fascination with birth rates is very normal. Your feeble attempt at sarcasm I take it. Root of most all human problems is too many people on the planet. Excess pollution, food and resource shortages, droughts, escalation of pandemics, wars for land, chopping down of rain forest and etc. And where are the greatest population birth rates? Developing countries. The world economy is plenty large enough to support everyone on the planet at a dignified level. It's an issue of distribution, not production. |
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 5, 2024 17:17:59 GMT -5
Your feeble attempt at sarcasm I take it. Root of most all human problems is too many people on the planet. Excess pollution, food and resource shortages, droughts, escalation of pandemics, wars for land, chopping down of rain forest and etc. And where are the greatest population birth rates? Developing countries. The world economy is plenty large enough to support everyone on the planet at a dignified level. It's an issue of distribution, not production. At what sacrifice? A lost Amazon and Congo? Sca rred mountain ranges? A dried Colorado River? A polluted Ganga? Thousands of lost species? Trash ed line beaches? Simmering hot and acidified ocean water? Your idea of a healthy planet is not the same as mine, and I'll fight like hell not to live in yours. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 5, 2024 17:20:28 GMT -5
The world economy is plenty large enough to support everyone on the planet at a dignified level. It's an issue of distribution, not production. At what sacrifice? A lost Amazon and Congo? Scared mountain ranges? A dried Colorado River? A polluted Ganga? Thousands of lost species? Trashed line beaches? Simmering hot and acidified ocean water? Your idea of a healthy planet is not the same as mine, and I'll fight like hell not to live in yours. Creating income equality and saving the climate aren't mutually exclusive. |
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 5, 2024 17:30:54 GMT -5
At what sacrifice? A lost Amazon and Congo? Scared mountain ranges? A dried Colorado River? A polluted Ganga? Thousands of lost species? Trashed line beaches? Simmering hot and acidified ocean water? Your idea of a healthy planet is not the same as mine, and I'll fight like hell not to live in yours. Creating income equality and saving the climate aren't mutually exclusive. From what I've seen, we've already lost thousands of species, it's impossible to get a water permit in places like Phoenix, old growth forest are totally wiped in the Northwest because of housing and etc, etc. Besides, income equality and not immigrating to the US are not mutually exclusive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 18:18:40 GMT -5
Creating income equality and saving the climate aren't mutually exclusive. From what I've seen, we've already lost thousands of species, it's impossible to get a water permit in places like Phoenix, old growth forest are totally wiped in the Northwest because of housing and etc, etc. Besides, income equality and not immigrating to the US are not mutually exclusive. You're using the same argument that's done to paralyze effective gun control. What happens with Phoenix should not justify a lack of activity to improve things in Brazil. There IS a moral imperative to improve the world for the sake of following generations. The problem is that the people in charge see 'moral imperative' as meaning 'college more money and power for myself and eff the poor'. |
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 5, 2024 18:26:42 GMT -5
From what I've seen, we've already lost thousands of species, it's impossible to get a water permit in places like Phoenix, old growth forest are totally wiped in the Northwest because of housing and etc, etc. Besides, income equality and not immigrating to the US are not mutually exclusive. You're using the same argument that's done to paralyze effective gun control. What happens with Phoenix should not justify a lack of activity to improve things in Brazil. There IS a moral imperative to improve the world for the sake of following generations. The problem is that the people in charge see 'moral imperative' as meaning 'college more money and power for myself and eff the poor'. Where did I say we shouldn't help improve what's going on in Brazil? Where is it even mentioned that Brazil has a large populous of immigrants to our border. Besides, Phoenix is just one example of a city with water shortages. Las Vegas, El Paso and other areas are also experiencing similar shortages. And where did I say it wasn't imperative to improve the world? Far from it. Funded economic zones would do more good for these countries than anything we're doing now, all while not to the detriment of our quality of life. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 21:01:36 GMT -5
You're using the same argument that's done to paralyze effective gun control. What happens with Phoenix should not justify a lack of activity to improve things in Brazil. There IS a moral imperative to improve the world for the sake of following generations. The problem is that the people in charge see 'moral imperative' as meaning 'college more money and power for myself and eff the poor'. Where did I say we shouldn't help improve what's going on in Brazil? Where is it even mentioned that Brazil has a large populous of immigrants to our border. Besides, Phoenix is just one example of a city with water shortages. Las Vegas, El Paso and other areas are also experiencing similar shortages. And where did I say it wasn't imperative to improve the world? Far from it. Funded economic zones would do more good for these countries than anything we're doing now, all while not to the detriment of our quality of life. Phoenix, Vegas, and a bunch of US Southwest examples do not matter for elsewhere in the world. Those are self-inflicted and have no bearing on the moral need to help others. If you want to be angry and shout at clouds, great but if the original post had been made by someone of your political persuasion rather than someone you constantly disagree with, you would have agreed with it. This is ironic since the subject is people blocking legislation that they actually want because they don't like who is advocating for it. |
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 5, 2024 21:40:34 GMT -5
Where did I say we shouldn't help improve what's going on in Brazil? Where is it even mentioned that Brazil has a large populous of immigrants to our border. Besides, Phoenix is just one example of a city with water shortages. Las Vegas, El Paso and other areas are also experiencing similar shortages. And where did I say it wasn't imperative to improve the world? Far from it. Funded economic zones would do more good for these countries than anything we're doing now, all while not to the detriment of our quality of life. Phoenix, Vegas, and a bunch of US Southwest examples do not matter for elsewhere in the world. Those are self-inflicted and have no bearing on the moral need to help others. If you want to be angry and shout at clouds, great but if the original post had been made by someone of your political persuasion rather than someone you constantly disagree with, you would have agreed with it. This is ironic since the subject is people blocking legislation that they actually want because they don't like who is advocating for it. "Phoenix, Vegas, and a bunch of US Southwest examples do not matter for elsewhere in the world." They matter for the people I know that live in them, and, sorry, but friends, family and fellow Americans have priority in, well, America. "If you want to be angry and shout at clouds, great but if the original post had been made by someone of your political persuasion rather than someone you constantly disagree with, you would have agreed with it." What the hell are you talking about? Out left of left field on this one. Get a grip would ya. "This is ironic since the subject is people blocking legislation that they actually want because they don't like who is advocating for it." I guess you never followed the thread because, before I commented, it was pointed out that the Lord(Johnson) was going to decide the issue by putting it up for a vote or not. Doesn't matter what a few GOPers say or do. If Sinema puts something forth that is palatable to Johnson then it will pass. You need to catch a clue before you go all off on someone. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2024 23:16:39 GMT -5
From what I've seen, we've already lost thousands of species, it's impossible to get a water permit in places like Phoenix, old growth forest are totally wiped in the Northwest because of housing and etc, etc. Besides, income equality and not immigrating to the US are not mutually exclusive. You're using the same argument that's done to paralyze effective gun control. What happens with Phoenix should not justify a lack of activity to improve things in Brazil. There IS a moral imperative to improve the world for the sake of following generations. The problem is that the people in charge see 'moral imperative' as meaning 'college more money and power for myself and eff the poor'. Well then buy an electric car and Travel by foot from now on. Don’t ride on jets because frankly you Democrats don’t need any more vacations. Do your part And I’m sure you will because everyone knows that Democrats are the moral authority on the climate. That’s why they’re so hypocritical and think it’s perfectly fine for all these climate activist to take their private jets to Switzerland. Dumb fools. |
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 5, 2024 23:50:49 GMT -5
You're using the same argument that's done to paralyze effective gun control. What happens with Phoenix should not justify a lack of activity to improve things in Brazil. There IS a moral imperative to improve the world for the sake of following generations. The problem is that the people in charge see 'moral imperative' as meaning 'college more money and power for myself and eff the poor'. Well then buy an electric car and Travel by foot from now on. Don’t ride on jets because frankly you Democrats don’t need any more vacations. Do your part And I’m sure you will because everyone knows that Democrats are the moral authority on the climate. That’s why they’re so hypocritical and think it’s perfectly fine for all these climate activist to take their private jets to Switzerland. Dumb fools. huh? Do you ever make any sense? |
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Post by guest2 on Jan 6, 2024 4:39:52 GMT -5
At what sacrifice? A lost Amazon and Congo? Scared mountain ranges? A dried Colorado River? A polluted Ganga? Thousands of lost species? Trashed line beaches? Simmering hot and acidified ocean water? Your idea of a healthy planet is not the same as mine, and I'll fight like hell not to live in yours. Creating income equality and saving the climate aren't mutually exclusive. Unless creating income equality means drastically lowering the standard of living in the developed world it does. What is the first thing anyone in the developing world does when they start making a lot of money? Buys a car and gets AC. (And thats exactly what I would do too.) But the planet cant sustain everyone having AC and cars. And God forbid air travel doubles or triples? I'm not sure what the solution is and its fundamentally unfair that some people have these things and others don't, but denying that raising everyone's standard of living would kill the climate doesn't do anyone any good |
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Post by vbman100 on Jan 6, 2024 6:23:37 GMT -5
Oh, it's because I don't believe that you did know anyone. I think you used it as a lazy way to back up a statement that you flung out there like a monkey does its poo. Sorry, I should have been clearer, I think you're a liar. Now back to my question about Nehls. Did some schools not go back on Jan 2? Do you really think I don't know people with children? Are you really so petty? Are you really so desperate to accuse me of something or anything? Are you really that bad at conversation? Are you really so limited in intellect that this is what you want to focus on? You’re not going to get anywhere… According to canamvbdad… Since Holiday was the only one we see make a racist statement against Claudine Gay, there’s no way anyone else has attacked her with racist statements. (Even though Chris Rufo , Mr CRT, clearly put out what the playbook was) Since Troy Nehls is the only one saying anything about not wanting to do a deal, he has to be the only one who doesn’t want to do a deal. Since canam said one time, one twin attacked another with a knife, he didn’t say violence happens in families with knives sometimes, he said it happens once, with a knife, in a family. Or something?? There’s no way you must know other people in your life… It just goes on and on. Someone takes things Super literally or in a weird direction if they don’t have every piece of evidence to prove something is true. |
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Post by jsquare on Jan 6, 2024 7:58:50 GMT -5
Did some schools not go back on Jan 2? Do you really think I don't know people with children? Are you really so petty? Are you really so desperate to accuse me of something or anything? Are you really that bad at conversation? Are you really so limited in intellect that this is what you want to focus on? You’re not going to get anywhere… According to canamvbdad… Since Holiday was the only one we see make a racist statement against Claudine Gay, there’s no way anyone else has attacked her with racist statements. (Even though Chris Rufo , Mr CRT, clearly put out what the playbook was) Since Troy Nehls is the only one saying anything about not wanting to do a deal, he has to be the only one who doesn’t want to do a deal. Since canam said one time, one twin attacked another with a knife, he didn’t say violence happens in families with knives sometimes, he said it happens once, with a knife, in a family. Or something?? There’s no way you must know other people in your life… It just goes on and on. Someone takes things Super literally or in a weird direction if they don’t have every piece of evidence to prove something is true. You certainly have muricant figures out. |
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Jan 6, 2024 12:57:48 GMT -5
Did some schools not go back on Jan 2? Do you really think I don't know people with children? Are you really so petty? Are you really so desperate to accuse me of something or anything? Are you really that bad at conversation? Are you really so limited in intellect that this is what you want to focus on? You’re not going to get anywhere… According to canamvbdad… Since Holiday was the only one we see make a racist statement against Claudine Gay, there’s no way anyone else has attacked her with racist statements. (Even though Chris Rufo , Mr CRT, clearly put out what the playbook was) Since Troy Nehls is the only one saying anything about not wanting to do a deal, he has to be the only one who doesn’t want to do a deal. Since canam said one time, one twin attacked another with a knife, he didn’t say violence happens in families with knives sometimes, he said it happens once, with a knife, in a family. Or something?? There’s no way you must know other people in your life… It just goes on and on. Someone takes things Super literally or in a weird direction if they don’t have every piece of evidence to prove something is true. You're clearly in the weeds.  You're the one who has fixated on a knife being used by one twin on the other. I could have also used the example of people I knew who were involved in a domestic violence incident. The husband bound his wife (whom he suspected was cheating) in their car and attempted to asphyxiate her. The point would have been that people who supposedly love each other are capable of doing horrible things to each other. Your take away would've been "People use cars to hurt other people." As for Nehls, you can assume other people may feel the same way, but I prefer to deal in the FACT that, so far, he's the only one saying so. To lump unknown others with him is wrong but not surprising. As for Rufo, did his playbook mention anything about using race as a weapon or that he was going to specifically target POC's? |
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