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Post by 405LAX on Apr 6, 2024 1:15:41 GMT -5
It hasn't been long, but Travis seems to have done the impossible and made Tri and Chaim worse 5-star comment here
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Post by guest2 on Apr 6, 2024 1:33:02 GMT -5
Taylor just admitted in chat that he only played the tournament in order to potentially throw the finals . . . the level of professionalism in this sport . . . Pretty sure Chris was joking around when he asked that No reason not to take Taylor at his word, unless you are a 17 year old girl of course. Or a USAV disciplinary committee.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 6, 2024 1:34:57 GMT -5
You have a very low opinion of Miles and Andy. Before seaincook came on the Doha post stating that Miles was rehabbing his elbow, you had this same conspiracy theory. Was it his elbow? Or was it his shoulder? Or did they drop out due to a completely different reason that Travis was pushing? Y’all need to get your stories straight! And if you’d bothered to check, it wasn’t me who proposed the conspiracy theory in the first place, I just wondered whether it had any legs. I look forward to reading Miles’s web site. Maybe he’ll use it to keep fans informed and promote the sport. Miles has a website? Theo Brunner owning a dance studio wouldn't be a bigger mismatch
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Post by VT Karen on Apr 6, 2024 2:41:59 GMT -5
Omgosh I'm sad that Theo and Trevor didn't win this.
What does this mean for their Olympic dream?
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 6, 2024 9:06:02 GMT -5
Omgosh I'm sad that Theo and Trevor didn't win this. What does this mean for their Olympic dream? check out the thread: Olympic Beach Volleyball Rankings, Men
Mudinger have taken a small lead, but it doesn't mean anything, yet. Treo have lower counting finishes, so as soon as Treo and Mudinger each get two additional 600 point finishes, Treo's 2nd 600 replaces a 460, while Mudinger's second 600 doesn't replace anything as at that point their low counter will already be 600. And then Treo have a 3rd 460 point counter, and Mudinger don't.
So... Mudinger are in the lead (assuming a decent NORCECA finish), but Treo has the advantage of more low point counting finishes that they can replace with 600 or higher point finishes. The only reason Treo are close is the 1120 finish at Worlds... something Mudinger doesn't have in their counting finishes. Treo did better at Worlds, and in two months time, that may turn out to be the difference that gets them to Paris.
It will be neck and neck, probably through the very last tournament in Ostrava. Ostrava also determined USA2 on the women's side for Tokyo.
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Post by spideas on Apr 6, 2024 9:40:21 GMT -5
Forgot to mention... Day/Flint apparently were no-shows. Their names on the bracket printout were scratched out with a pen. The women's tournament was won 15-10 in the 3rd set by Molly (Turner) Shaw and ... forget who her partner is. *edit( just looked it up. A player I've never seen play, Chloe Noreen. Anyway, will be good FIVB points in case Turner wants to play more FIVB Pro Tour. I caught the 3rd set of that match... They were really effective playing small ball in the wind... Molly was setting low, fast tempo sets and Chloe moved the ball around nicely.. Scored a trip to the DR... Not bad
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Post by shootset on Apr 6, 2024 10:24:55 GMT -5
Omgosh I'm sad that Theo and Trevor didn't win this. What does this mean for their Olympic dream? check out the thread: Olympic Beach Volleyball Rankings, Men
Mudinger have taken a small lead, but it doesn't mean anything, yet. Treo have lower counting finishes, so as soon as Treo and Mudinger each get two additional 600 point finishes, Treo's 2nd 600 replaces a 460, while Mudinger's second 600 doesn't replace anything as at that point their low counter will already be 600. And then Treo have a 3rd 460 point counter, and Mudinger don't.
So... Mudinger are in the lead (assuming a decent NORCECA finish), but Treo has the advantage of more low point counting finishes that they can replace with 600 or higher point finishes. The only reason Treo are close is the 1120 finish at Worlds... something Mudinger doesn't have in their counting finishes. Treo did better at Worlds, and in two months time, that may turn out to be the difference that gets them to Paris.
It will be neck and neck, probably through the very last tournament in Ostrava. Ostrava also determined USA2 on the women's side for Tokyo.
Thank you for this, dunninla3 Wow, so a lot on the line in the months to come!
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Post by guest2 on Apr 6, 2024 10:45:08 GMT -5
Omgosh I'm sad that Theo and Trevor didn't win this. What does this mean for their Olympic dream? check out the thread: Olympic Beach Volleyball Rankings, Men Mudinger have taken a small lead, but it doesn't mean anything, yet. Treo have lower counting finishes, so as soon as Treo and Mudinger each get two additional 600 point finishes, Treo's 2nd 600 replaces a 460, while Mudinger's second 600 doesn't replace anything as at that point their low counter will already be 600. And then Treo have a 3rd 460 point counter, and Mudinger don't. So... Mudinger are in the lead (assuming a decent NORCECA finish), but Treo has the advantage of more low point counting finishes that they can replace with 600 or higher point finishes. The only reason Treo are close is the 1120 finish at Worlds... something Mudinger doesn't have in their counting finishes. Treo did better at Worlds, and in two months time, that may turn out to be the difference that gets them to Paris. It will be neck and neck, probably through the very last tournament in Ostrava. Ostrava also determined USA2 on the women's side for Tokyo.
Mudinger have not taken the lead. They are behind in best 12, best 10, and best 8. You are assuming a NORCECA finish, which is a reasonable assumption, but could still be affected by an upset (Mudinger have lost to numerous Mexico, Cuba, etc. level teams in the last year) or an injury. Also you mention a 600 pt finish for Treo is likely but don't assume it will happen, but I think its close to as likely as the NORCECA finish for Mudinger. Still, I hope Chase/Miles get the spot. They are the team that has more consistently shown up ready to play and that seems to have a more professional approach to the game. I do find it very interesting that as an AVP team they are clearly inferior to the Taylors, but perform much better on the FIVB
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Post by VT Karen on Apr 6, 2024 12:15:50 GMT -5
Omgosh I'm sad that Theo and Trevor didn't win this. What does this mean for their Olympic dream? check out the thread: Olympic Beach Volleyball Rankings, Men
Mudinger have taken a small lead, but it doesn't mean anything, yet. Treo have lower counting finishes, so as soon as Treo and Mudinger each get two additional 600 point finishes, Treo's 2nd 600 replaces a 460, while Mudinger's second 600 doesn't replace anything as at that point their low counter will already be 600. And then Treo have a 3rd 460 point counter, and Mudinger don't.
So... Mudinger are in the lead (assuming a decent NORCECA finish), but Treo has the advantage of more low point counting finishes that they can replace with 600 or higher point finishes. The only reason Treo are close is the 1120 finish at Worlds... something Mudinger doesn't have in their counting finishes. Treo did better at Worlds, and in two months time, that may turn out to be the difference that gets them to Paris.
It will be neck and neck, probably through the very last tournament in Ostrava. Ostrava also determined USA2 on the women's side for Tokyo.
Hey thank you for this write up and reminding me about the teams replacing low finishes! I think Mudinger is great but Treo is my favorite. I want to see Trevor and Theo get that 2nd berth.
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Post by ajm on Apr 6, 2024 14:38:12 GMT -5
I do find it very interesting that as an AVP team they are clearly inferior to the Taylors, but perform much better on the FIVB That’s ironic because a few years ago Chase was probably the best blocker on the AVP, dominating the tour with a 40-year old partner, but we couldn’t figure out why that didn’t translate to success on the FIVB.
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Post by doodlebob on Apr 6, 2024 17:55:10 GMT -5
I do find it very interesting that as an AVP team they are clearly inferior to the Taylors, but perform much better on the FIVB That’s ironic because a few years ago Chase was probably the best blocker on the AVP, dominating the tour with a 40-year old partner, but we couldn’t figure out why that didn’t translate to success on the FIVB. It would also be really cool to see Budinger accomplish that dream he set out of both playing in the NBA and beach VB Olympics. He’s getting closer!
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Post by guest2 on Apr 6, 2024 20:57:15 GMT -5
That’s ironic because a few years ago Chase was probably the best blocker on the AVP, dominating the tour with a 40-year old partner, but we couldn’t figure out why that didn’t translate to success on the FIVB. It would also be really cool to see Budinger accomplish that dream he set out of both playing in the NBA and beach VB Olympics. He’s getting closer! Agree. Also because it seems to some degree Chase has been frozen out by the top players in terms of partnership. In 2021, he basically announced his presences as a top guy by winning two of three AVPs with a well past his prime Casey and making the final in the third event. Since 2020 he has played with: Chaim, Casey, Troy, and Miles. I would argue that none of those were or are top 5 US defenders. Now consider Chaim Schalk. In retrospect we can see Chaim has been well past his prime for the last four years. He couldn't win anything with Chase, got one AVP win with Theo and has been one half of a truly putrid team with Tri. Since 2020, he has played with Chase, Tri, and Theo (3 of the best 4 US blockers). Why hasn't Chase had good partners? To know the answer, I think you'd have to ask the Hawaiian mafia that includes most of the US' top defenders (and potential defenders).
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Post by poorlambourne on Apr 6, 2024 21:10:48 GMT -5
It would also be really cool to see Budinger accomplish that dream he set out of both playing in the NBA and beach VB Olympics. He’s getting closer! Agree. Also because it seems to some degree Chase has been frozen out by the top players in terms of partnership. In 2021, he basically announced his presences as a top guy by winning two of three AVPs with a well past his prime Casey and making the final in the third event. Since 2020 he has played with: Chaim, Casey, Troy, and Miles. I would argue that none of those were or are top 5 US defenders. Now consider Chaim Schalk. In retrospect we can see Chaim has been well past his prime for the last four years. He couldn't win anything with Chase, got one AVP win with Theo and has been one half of a truly putrid team with Tri. Since 2020, he has played with Chase, Tri, and Theo (3 of the best 4 US blockers). Why hasn't Chase had good partners? To know the answer, I think you'd have to ask the Hawaiian mafia that includes most of the US' top defenders (and potential defenders). It's actually mostly because Chase is not a likeable guy to play with.
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Post by tinman2 on Apr 6, 2024 21:15:27 GMT -5
It would also be really cool to see Budinger accomplish that dream he set out of both playing in the NBA and beach VB Olympics. He’s getting closer! Agree. Also because it seems to some degree Chase has been frozen out by the top players in terms of partnership. In 2021, he basically announced his presences as a top guy by winning two of three AVPs with a well past his prime Casey and making the final in the third event. Since 2020 he has played with: Chaim, Casey, Troy, and Miles. I would argue that none of those were or are top 5 US defenders. Now consider Chaim Schalk. In retrospect we can see Chaim has been well past his prime for the last four years. He couldn't win anything with Chase, got one AVP win with Theo and has been one half of a truly putrid team with Tri. Since 2020, he has played with Chase, Tri, and Theo (3 of the best 4 US blockers). Why hasn't Chase had good partners? To know the answer, I think you'd have to ask the Hawaiian mafia that includes most of the US' top defenders (and potential defenders). I agree. When Jake was retiring and someone suggested that Taylor should partner with Chase, Taylor said I have a much better partner than Chase coming....
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Post by guest2 on Apr 6, 2024 21:51:11 GMT -5
Agree. Also because it seems to some degree Chase has been frozen out by the top players in terms of partnership. In 2021, he basically announced his presences as a top guy by winning two of three AVPs with a well past his prime Casey and making the final in the third event. Since 2020 he has played with: Chaim, Casey, Troy, and Miles. I would argue that none of those were or are top 5 US defenders. Now consider Chaim Schalk. In retrospect we can see Chaim has been well past his prime for the last four years. He couldn't win anything with Chase, got one AVP win with Theo and has been one half of a truly putrid team with Tri. Since 2020, he has played with Chase, Tri, and Theo (3 of the best 4 US blockers). Why hasn't Chase had good partners? To know the answer, I think you'd have to ask the Hawaiian mafia that includes most of the US' top defenders (and potential defenders). It's actually mostly because Chase is not a likeable guy to play with. In what respect? I have heard that many dont like his approach to practicing, but if you know more, I would love to hear
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